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#1 Apr 03 2013 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
For all those requiring a good dose of class snobbery, look no further than the class calculator from the bbc.

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People in the UK now fit into seven social classes, a major survey conducted by the BBC suggests.


I'm not a fan of these but I could not help myself and took the survey for a giggle while I sip my glass of Rioja. It seems I'm 'Established middle class', do I win a prize? Smiley: rolleyes

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The new classes are defined as:

Elite - the most privileged group in the UK, distinct from the other six classes through its wealth. This group has the highest levels of all three capitals

Established middle class - the second wealthiest, scoring highly on all three capitals. The largest and most gregarious group, scoring second highest for cultural capital

Technical middle class - a small, distinctive new class group which is prosperous but scores low for social and cultural capital. Distinguished by its social isolation and cultural apathy

New affluent workers - a young class group which is socially and culturally active, with middling levels of economic capital

Traditional working class - scores low on all forms of capital, but is not completely deprived. Its members have reasonably high house values, explained by this group having the oldest average age at 66

Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital

Precariat, or precarious proletariat - the poorest, most deprived class, scoring low for social and cultural capital


And, this all reminds me of a snippet from a TV show where John '2 Jags' Prescott went visiting the voters and discussed class. Truly classic talk about chavs, middle class and working class Smiley: smile
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Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.
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Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.


Your social class is 'foreign peasant', same as the rest.
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Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.


Yup, the survey is naff. I would have thought the rolling eyes Smiley: rolleyes showed how little respect I have for this survey Smiley: wink
It's all so generic and a load of poppycock but I just cannot help myself!
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Established middle class here. Once I'm actually working a job where I'm paid my actual value instead of one notch above minimum wage, we might jump up a level.
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Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.


Your social class is 'foreign peasant', same as the rest.


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gbaji wrote:
Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.


Your social class is 'foreign peasant', same as the rest.


The sun sets on the British Empire every night.


The Empire didn't die, it just underwent a re-branding.
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Elite. But then anyone in the US with even a high 5 figure income and owns a home in a place like Southern California would have a hard time not hitting that category. I suppose if you lived in a cave and never socialized with anyone, that might drop you down or something.

Honestly, I found some of the social assumptions quaint to say the least, but that's the British for ya.


Your social class is 'foreign peasant', same as the rest.


The sun sets on the British Empire every night.


Does it? The tiny overseas territories are pretty spread out, actually.
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Yup, the survey is naff. I would have thought the rolling eyes Smiley: rolleyes showed how little respect I have for this survey Smiley: wink
It's all so generic and a load of poppycock but I just cannot help myself!


Well, apparently if I socialize with a university lecturer and attend the opera, I'm more sophisticated than if I listen to rock and socialize with any sort of "common" profession (when did "university lecturer" become high class? Really). And "solicitor" puts you on the fast lane to elite status apparently.

What was odd was that some of the professions raised one portion of the social scale, but lowered the other. Not sure what distinguished one from the other though, so I'm not sure what to read from that. It's a classic example of theory leading reality. Gee. You formed a test based on your own assumed conclusions, and what do you know! The test confirmed your assumptions! Amazing...

A friend of mine once defined sociology as a science of telling us what we already know.
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If you hobnob with university professors on a regular basis, you're more likely to be among the political elite, for one thing, or more likely to be well educated yourself.

I have to say that about Georgia's politicians - they tend to rotate in and out of the university system on a regular basis. Former governor Zell Miller is a senior lecturer at UGA, and our local state congress critter quit his political job to become the university system chancellor a while back.
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A friend of mine once defined sociology as a science of telling us what we already should know.


Tomayto, Tomahto. When the field regularly produces things like multi-year studies concluding that attractive women get hit on more than unattractive women, you do kinda start to wonder what the hell's up with the field as a whole.
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Tomayto, Tomahto. When the field regularly produces things like multi-year studies concluding that attractive women get hit on more than unattractive women, you do kinda start to wonder what the hell's up with the field as a whole.

That or wonder about science reporting, but, yeah, let's go with "I understand the contributions of social science as a whole based on what I read in USA Today".
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Tomayto, Tomahto. When the field regularly produces things like multi-year studies concluding that attractive women get hit on more than unattractive women, you do kinda start to wonder what the hell's up with the field as a whole.

They do this same study regularly?

It would be interesting to see how the results have changed over time?

Also, I wonder how the definition of an attractive woman has changed over the time?

Also, I wonder how a study of number of hit attempts on attractive men versus unattractive men would compare with a like study of women?

Also i wonder if the term 'get hit on' has the same meaning now as it might of 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. Cuz now of course getting 'hit on' may involve unacceptable behavior. I wonder if societal pressure discouraging public displays of sexuality or affection has caused men to behave better (or differently)?

Gees someone needs to do a study.....
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That or wonder about science reporting, but, yeah, let's go with "I understand the contributions of social science as a whole based on what I read in USA Today".
I more imagine it is issues of The Weekly World News.
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If GOP women are more feminine looking, why are all the smoking hot actresses liberals? Don't give me Palin vs Clinton or something, let's go Palin vs. Johansson.
I see they didn't make Sue Collins a poster child for the fem-pubs.
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I think he gets it from here.

Probably. I'm not sure I'd use Ann Coulter...who is slightly less feminine than Chuck Norris as one of my candidates though.

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Palin did get a porn parody made about her, that's got to count for something.
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Tomayto, Tomahto. When the field regularly produces things like multi-year studies concluding that attractive women get hit on more than unattractive women, you do kinda start to wonder what the hell's up with the field as a whole.

That or wonder about science reporting...


And lets use the word "science" very loosely while we're at it.
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And lets use the word "science" very loosely while we're at it.

You mean like the quotation fingers people use when telling each other that you think you understand computer "science" or did you mean to imply that an established field with decades of repeatable research shouldn't be defined as science because you can't see what it has to do with rockets?
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And lets use the word "science" very loosely while we're at it.

You mean like the quotation fingers people use when telling each other that you think you understand computer "science" or did you mean to imply that an established field with decades of repeatable research shouldn't be defined as science because you can't see what it has to do with rockets?
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Isn't the lyric "Little bunny fu-fu"?
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Isn't the lyric "Little bunny fu-fu"?


Hah, wrong thread.

Edit: Whoops, she posted the lyrics in both threads. Nevermind.

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Hah, wrong thread.

Edit: Whoops, she posted the lyrics in both threads. Nevermind.

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And lets use the word "science" very loosely while we're at it.

... or did you mean to imply that an established field with decades of repeatable research shouldn't be defined as science because you can't see what it has to do with rockets?


No. I mean to imply that for something to be science, then something remotely resembling actual scientific method should be involved in its findings and conclusions. Sociology is almost entirely based on subjective popular trends, and when those in the field bother to perform tests, they're rarely testing their theories themselves, and usually construct the tests to ensure they arrive at the conclusion they started with. The whole non-falsifiable problem is rampant.

But thanks for asking. It shows you care. Smiley: smile
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And lets use the word "science" very loosely while we're at it.

... or did you mean to imply that an established field with decades of repeatable research shouldn't be defined as science because you can't see what it has to do with rockets?


No. I mean to imply that for something to be science, then something remotely resembling actual scientific method should be involved in its findings and conclusions. Sociology is almost entirely based on subjective popular trends, and when those in the field bother to perform tests, they're rarely testing their theories themselves, and usually construct the tests to ensure they arrive at the conclusion they started with. The whole non-falsifiable problem is rampant.

But thanks for asking. It shows you care. Smiley: smile
According to you the climate change scientists do the same thing. So really it's not just social scientists that aren't real scientists - it's pretty much all scientists.

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No. I mean to imply that for something to be science, then something remotely resembling actual scientific method should be involved in its findings and conclusions. Sociology is almost entirely based on subjective popular trends, and when those in the field bother to perform tests, they're rarely testing their theories themselves, and usually construct the tests to ensure they arrive at the conclusion they started with. The whole non-falsifiable problem is rampant.

False. Certainly harder to test "women like tall men more than short men" than it is to test "objects of differing mass fall at the same rate", but scientific method is certainly applied to sociology. I can see why you might not think so as you view "sociology" as a series of goofy studies you read about in newspapers, and not the studies that show that you were likely to read about such things in the newspaper, which are the ones that matter, really. Every decision you've made in your modern life has been influenced by what social science knows about how you'll act, your ignorance of that fact doesn't really matter. Amusingly, neither does my awareness of it. Both of us are manipulated into wanting things on a near constant basis. The refinement of this over the last century or so is what social science really is.

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Simplified, what sociologists study is somewhat squishy, but the methodology isn't.
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I've seen a sociologist's tool for "textual narrative analysis" at work - the thing that they use to compare data from transcribed interviews with people. It's a pretty hardcore little piece of software, and is not unlike its new big brothers, the big data analytic engines.

Trust me, they're being as scientific about that kind of stuff as any other scientist out there. They use as much statistical analysis as any botanist or chemist. They use the scientific method - propose a hypothesis, conduct experiments (interviews usually), compile the results, compare the results to the hypothesis, and draw new conclusions or re-affirm old conclusions as necessary. They have strict controls over what is acceptable usage of data, who they can interview, etc done by the IRB boards for their respective universities and think tanks. (They can't interview minors without parental approval, for example, unless explicitly permitted.)

The only difference is that their test subjects are human beings instead of plants or chemicals.
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Using technology doesn't make what you're doing science.

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Not even close to the same amount. Statistics and math are almost afterthoughts in sociology course work.

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On rare occasions, I'm sure this does happen. Most of the time it's testing to the theory (and I'm using "theory" loosely here), or deriving the theory post-hoc from the testing (with follow up testing rarely occurring). To be good science one has to derive a test to disprove the hypothesis. Sociological experiments very very very rarely do this.

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Which, again, has nothing to do with whether they're using proper scientific methodology.

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Oh, I fully agree with the increased difficulties involved, but the reality is that most people gravitate into a sociology track in college precisely because they want a field that's less rigid with the methodology and math and the other things that make other subjects "hard". The result is a marked difference, and one of the reasons why the field is largely considered a joke among science.
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Oh, I fully agree with the increased difficulties involved, but the reality is that most people gravitate into a sociology track in college precisely because they want a field that's less rigid with the methodology and math and the other things that make other subjects "hard". The result is a marked difference, and one of the reasons why the field is largely considered a joke among science.

Math and methodology make things easy. People make things hard.

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Oh, I fully agree with the increased difficulties involved, but the reality is that most people gravitate into a sociology track in college precisely because they want a field that's less rigid with the methodology and math and the other things that make other subjects "hard". The result is a marked difference, and one of the reasons why the field is largely considered a joke among science.

Math and methodology make things easy. People make things hard.


It's not about "easy" or "hard". It's about how consistently a field uses scientific method to arrive at conclusions. And Sociology is way down at the bottom of the list of fields that even attempt to label themselves a science in this regard.

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On rare occasions, I'm sure this does happen. Most of the time it's testing to the theory (and I'm using "theory" loosely here), or deriving the theory post-hoc from the testing (with follow up testing rarely occurring). To be good science one has to derive a test to disprove the hypothesis. Sociological experiments very very very rarely do this.

Based on what? Your lit review of journals over the last 20 years? Hahaha, just kidding. I'm done arguing this with you. Not because you don't know what you're talking about, that would preclude ever replying to one of your posts, but because there's really no credible argument for your point of view, even among ignorant idiots. It's so apparently the opposite that if you can't get there, I'm not going to help. Also, data shows providing evidence to your personality type just reinforces falsehoods. Peer reviewed data.
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#48 Apr 10 2013 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, I fully agree with the increased difficulties involved, but the reality is that The result is a marked difference, and one of the reasons why the field is largely considered a joke among science.

Math and methodology make things easy. People make things hard.


It's not about "easy" or "hard". It's about how consistently a field uses scientific method to arrive at conclusions. And Sociology is way down at the bottom of the list of fields that even attempt to label themselves a science in this regard.


Listen Bucko, you're the one who wrote ....most people gravitate into a sociology track in college precisely because they want a field that's less rigid with the methodology and math and the other things that make other subjects "hard". See that up above in the 'quote' box?

You wrote it in explanation as to why scientific method is used inconsistently in social sciences, and why the field is largely considered a joke.

I hear more and better jokes about engineers than sociologists.


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What is the difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers?

Both laugh at Gbaji calling himself an "Engineer"?

Well, I guess that wouldn't be a "difference".

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I don't know about other schools, but all our sociology people had to at least pass a calculus class. Not that it means much; I certainly couldn't do much of that math these days. But yeah, you hear sociology get dismissed sometimes for doing studies that seem to do nothing but confirm obvious social trends. In a sense there's a reason for some of that, and interpreting results will always be harder when you can't do a hard control/treatment kind of experiment.

As an aside I sometimes joke that if you have to do a perfect experiment to find out something, you may as well not do it. Even if you somehow manage to pull it off, it's unlikely anyone else will be able to replicate it (I mean really, if you're going around confirming other people's results you aren't exactly a cutting edge scientist in the first place). If you're really onto something worthwhile it'll be so blatantly obvious you could have a monkey do your experiment and still get good results. I'm obviously not a rocket surgeon though. Smiley: rolleyes

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