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#77 Apr 09 2013 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Not even there. A year is a really short while to fight a ground war.


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You can carpet bomb them all you want.
Pft, I wish.
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#79 Apr 09 2013 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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You can carpet bomb them all you want.

Why would you, though? The reality is, unless China steps in, the US can turn their entire communications infrastructure off like a light switch and then shortly afterward, the entire physical infrastructure with cruise missiles. The US could easily "win" a war with NK, whatever that means. NK could probably also detonate a nuclear device in SK fairly trivially if so inclined. That's all that matters. They win, they can say whatever they want and do most things without real reprisal. What the US cannot do is some sort of call of duty navy seal fantasy and covertly disable all nuclear capability. This is why Pakistan can tell us to go fuck ourselves regularly and still rake in big bags of cash.
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Can NK have a small staged victory without, at least, a handful of casualties?

Sure? They can have it on a soundstage. It's a completely state controlled media. They can show Transformers and claim to have won the battle against the US demon machines.

They got us to cancel a regularly-scheduled missile test; what more do they want??
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#81 Apr 09 2013 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Can NK have a small staged victory without, at least, a handful of casualties?

Sure? They can have it on a soundstage. It's a completely state controlled media. They can show Transformers and claim to have won the battle against the US demon machines.

They got us to cancel a regularly-scheduled missile test; what more do they want??

Maybe we could send Dennis Rodman back to see them again?
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We can do a twofer and launch Rodman.
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Can we strap a nuke to Rodman's back?
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#84 Apr 09 2013 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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[b]The US could easily "win" a war with NK, whatever that means. NK could probably also detonate a nuclear device in SK fairly trivially if so inclined. That's all that matters.

Something like that. NK may not have a missle-sized nuke, but why not put some radioactive material in a scud or 2 and lob it over Seoul if pressed. You could make a chunk of town "uninhabitable" or something.

No one wins a big war. China wants stability and a buffer, U.S. really doesn't need another war, N.K. would be gone in it's current form, and S.K. would have considerable damage done to their biggest city. Best way I see this ending for the U.S. is a miscalculation on N.K.'s part leading to China clamping down on them in some way.

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Can we strap a nuke to Rodman's back?

How did you think N.K. planed to get the nukes to the U.S mainland? Smiley: tinfoilhat
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#86 Apr 09 2013 at 9:52 AM Rating: Default
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You can carpet bomb them all you want. You'll eventually need someone sane in power to surrender the nation to you.


I didn't mention carpet bombing or surrendering. You're creating scenarios outside of what is being mentioned. Admittedly, my solution is a fantasy (due to politics), but is very feasible.

North Korea doesn't have much to fight with. Considering everything to be functional and/or done in accordance with procedures, their missiles will never do any real damage. That is their only hope. Their Army wont make it far past the DMZ. They don't have the computer power to do any cyber attacks, so they're powerless. At that point, NK will concede as opposed to surrendering, which would be a win for everyone else. No carpet bombing necessary.

You're falling prey to the media, which is exactly what NK wants. NK is just taunting to draw attention in hopes that someone attacks them first. That way they can spin it. They do this EVERY SINGLE YEAR at the SAME TIME. The only attack NK will do will be like the sinking of the ship. Something that is small and able to deny any involvement.

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The nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US
So how long do you do warm-up exercises before stretching this far?


Warming up is always good before stretching! Honestly though, is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?
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#88 Apr 09 2013 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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About as much as a nutty conservative warmongering crowd.
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gbaji wrote:
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The nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US
So how long do you do warm-up exercises before stretching this far?


Warming up is always good before stretching! Honestly though, is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?

Nope.

But they're like the 'ban abortion' crowd. Can make a lot of noise, but not popular enough to make a big difference.
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is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?

Just the media when there's a war being sold.
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is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?

No reason to restrict it. Plenty of nutty anti-war isolationist libertarians, right?
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gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US
So how long do you do warm-up exercises before stretching this far?


Warming up is always good before stretching! Honestly though, is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?
There are all sorts of nuts. We don't typically allow them to make foreign policy decisions on behalf of the entire country.

Or are you simply suggesting that anyone who'd advocate for a peaceful solution before international war is 'nutty'?
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Elinda wrote:
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US
So how long do you do warm-up exercises before stretching this far?


Warming up is always good before stretching! Honestly though, is anyone denying the existence of a nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US?
There are all sorts of nuts. We don't typically allow them to make foreign policy decisions on behalf of the entire country.

Or are you simply suggesting that anyone who'd advocate for a peaceful solution before international war is 'nutty'?


I'm all about peace. I was against both Iraq and Afghan wars (admittedly not knowing much); however, in this instance, it's obvious that there is no peaceful solution.
#94 Apr 09 2013 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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I'm all about peace. I was against both Iraq and Afghan wars (admittedly not knowing much); however, in this instance, it's obvious that there is no peaceful solution.

Of course there is.

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I'm all about peace. I was against both Iraq and Afghan wars (admittedly not knowing much); however, in this instance, it's obvious that there is no peaceful solution.

Of course there is.



Like what? The only peaceful solution is to ignore them.
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That only works when the guy who steps into power is more desirable. I think that's far from clearly the case in NK.


I think it's pretty obvious that the solution is to assassinate everyone except Kim Jong-un.
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#97gbaji, Posted: Apr 09 2013 at 4:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No. I'd say that someone who hems and haws over the appearance of being too warmongery for months until the French come along the lead the way is a bit too far towards the "nutty anti-war" side of the scale. C'mon. The French. And then, when he does decide to take some kind of war like action, he does it illegally. Like he associates war with "bad" and "illegal", so he has to do so illegally in order to not break up the word association he's been taught.
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The French have one of the bloodiest and most successful military histories of any political entity throughout history.

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C'mon. The French.

The guys who once essentially conquered much of Europe?

Just because they recognized that Bush's pet war was a stupid idea and the GOP had to throw a temper tantrum about it ("Freedom Fries!") doesn't make them pacifists.
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C'mon. The French.

The guys who once essentially conquered much of Europe?

Just because they recognized that Bush's pet war was a stupid idea and the GOP had to throw a temper tantrum about it ("Freedom Fries!") doesn't make them pacifists.


Maybe so, but it's still funny.
#101gbaji, Posted: Apr 09 2013 at 6:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) But it does present a contrast in terms of relative choices, though. We can say that on the scale of willingness to engage in military action to topple another country's government, the US under Bush (and a whole bunch of other nations) scores above the French, and the US under Obama (and very few nations) scores below them. But, as I suggested earlier, it's not even about willingness to do something, but the apparent fear of being seen as aggressive that's problematic. Obama seems to want to look peaceful, but only on the kind of axis he knows the anti-war folks will be most upset about. He's more than willing to kill people with his military as long as it's not an "official" war. Why? Presumably because an official declaration of war (or War Powers Act as it were) is the kind of thing the anti-war types will oppose. But dropping bombs on people without such a declaration is perfectly ok.
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