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#352 Mar 26 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Guenny wrote:
Very much so. I especially love them with obvious Mormon overtones. That's why I can't wait for Stephanie Meyer's new movie coming out about an alien love triangle or something. I'm not sure, but I'm sure it'll be good!
I'm waiting on a love story between Ahuizotl and Shinji Ikari.
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Guenny wrote:
Very much so. I especially love them with obvious Mormon overtones. That's why I can't wait for Stephanie Meyer's new movie coming out about an alien love triangle or something. I'm not sure, but I'm sure it'll be good!
I'm waiting on a love story between Ahuizotl and Shinji Ikari.


These posts seem to have come from another, weirder thread.
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#354 Mar 26 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Really, you came to the conclusion that you are as smart as it's possible to be without any downside

Also, he's a Jedi who can use both positive and negative Force powers and a half-drow ranger/assassin/cleric/wizard who dual-wields vorpal flametongues.

Edited, Mar 26th 2013 3:17pm by Jophiel
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#356 Mar 26 2013 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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At least the ranger bit was first in the list!

Also, whoever keeps making that sticky mess out in the thread hallway between here and the DAOC forum, housekeeping would like to have a word with you.
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#357 Mar 26 2013 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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Uh huh. Some of us can be brilliant without being neurotic though. I know that's hard for the smart but neurotic crowd to accept though. A funny side note from my own observations is that really high scores on the broader tests tend to precisely test for neurotic/obsessive minds. Hence my point that we're not really testing intelligence.

Really, you came to the conclusion that you are as smart as it's possible to be without any downside and that people who are smarter are flawed in some other way that lowers their overall ability to achieve things?


Except that I don't think those people are actually smarter. I suppose it all depends on your definition of intelligence and/or smarter.

We create IQ tests that at the high end more or less test for neurotic and obsessive/compulsive minds, and then *surprise* we find that everyone who scores really really high on them are neurotic and obsessive/compulsive. Shocking! Were we really testing for intelligence at all? Are some of those people very useful for their obsessive minds in the exact right conditions? Absolutely. What percentage of them are actually capable of doing much at all that's exceptional and valuable? About the same as among the general population.

So not really unique snowflakes. Sorry about that.
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Guenny wrote:
Very much so. I especially love them with obvious Mormon overtones. That's why I can't wait for Stephanie Meyer's new movie coming out about an alien love triangle or something. I'm not sure, but I'm sure it'll be good!
I'm waiting on a love story between Ahuizotl and Shinji Ikari.


These posts seem to have come from another, weirder thread.


And better. Smiley: crymore

Edited, Mar 26th 2013 3:43pm by Guenny
#359 Mar 26 2013 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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We create IQ tests that at the high end more or less test for neurotic and obsessive/compulsive minds, and then *surprise* we find that everyone who scores really really high on them are neurotic and obsessive/compulsive. Shocking! Were we really testing for intelligence at all? Are some of those people very useful for their obsessive minds in the exact right conditions? Absolutely. What percentage of them are actually capable of doing much at all that's exceptional and valuable? About the same as among the general population.

Because this made the thought pop into my head, I wish there was a "there is no pattern" kind of answer for these tests. Some people are way too good at seeing patterns in things.
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gbaji wrote:
We create IQ tests that at the high end more or less test for neurotic and obsessive/compulsive minds, and then *surprise* we find that everyone who scores really really high on them are neurotic and obsessive/compulsive. Shocking! Were we really testing for intelligence at all? Are some of those people very useful for their obsessive minds in the exact right conditions? Absolutely. What percentage of them are actually capable of doing much at all that's exceptional and valuable? About the same as among the general population.

Because this made the thought pop into my head, I wish there was a "there is no pattern" kind of answer for these tests. Some people are way too good at seeing patterns in things.

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someproteinguy wrote:
gbaji wrote:
We create IQ tests that at the high end more or less test for neurotic and obsessive/compulsive minds, and then *surprise* we find that everyone who scores really really high on them are neurotic and obsessive/compulsive. Shocking! Were we really testing for intelligence at all? Are some of those people very useful for their obsessive minds in the exact right conditions? Absolutely. What percentage of them are actually capable of doing much at all that's exceptional and valuable? About the same as among the general population.

Because this made the thought pop into my head, I wish there was a "there is no pattern" kind of answer for these tests. Some people are way too good at seeing patterns in things.


Yeah. That's actually a problem. There's always a pattern in everything, if you look hard enough (and/or are the right kind of mind). But in the real world, sometimes the patterns you see aren't really relevant at all. Actually, most of the time, they aren't. It's why I question whether we're really testing for intelligence with these kinds of tests. Seeing a pattern and knowing what it means are two completely different things. We're almost testing more for high functioning autism (or whatever other kind of neurosis fits) than intelligence, and I think it's a mistake to confuse the two.

The greatest minds in history were the ones who had both the ability to see things in ways other didn't, but also the ability to discern what things they saw mattered. Being able to dismiss the irrelevant is likely a far more important trait when assessing intelligence, yet I'm not aware of any test which does this directly (or very well). Another way to look at it is that there are an infinite number of wrong answers out there. It's easy to contrive a test in which he who can see the one correct pattern or answer that fits fastest and best "wins". And that's largely what we do with IQ tests. It's a lot harder to construct a test in which one is required to derive a course of action from information given, or provide multiple equally "correct" answers, but pick the one that is best in some way, or, better yet, to have no actual right answer, but pick from the best of a set of wrong ones (which would drive the high IQ scorers nuts btw).

Those are skills that are often far far more useful in life. Cause the real world isn't black and white.

Edited, Mar 26th 2013 2:13pm by gbaji
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Not that I think putting the data out there will stop bickering, but at least you'll have something concrete to bicker about.

Are intelligence tests reliable?
Yes, after about age 9 intelligence test scores are fairly stable, with correlation coefficients in the .8 or higher range.

Is intelligence fairly stable?
Variations from around age 20 to around 80 see correlation coefficients around .6.

Are intelligence tests valid?
They are fairly good predictors of school achievement. Scores tend to correlate to income with a .5 coefficient. But is that measuring intelligence? There is a lot of debate over how intelligence is defined, with some psychologists even including kinesthetic intelligence (motor control and bodily orientation).
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#364 Mar 26 2013 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:
Really, you came to the conclusion that you are as smart as it's possible to be without any downside

Also, he's a Jedi who can use both positive and negative Force powers and a half-drow ranger/assassin/cleric/wizard who dual-wields vorpal flametongues.

Edited, Mar 26th 2013 3:17pm by Jophiel


Flametongues are really the worst sort of weapon to get in a vorpal variant. You're cauterizing the decapitating strikes which serves only to hinder your combat ability. I'd recommend a swap to a silvered ice enchanted vorpal and a cold iron lightning enchanted vorpal variants. You can cover fire with the obvious fireball or flamestrike from your multiclass levels. I have been following this min maxing topic for 20 years.
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#365 Mar 26 2013 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not that I think putting the data out there will stop bickering, but at least you'll have something concrete to bicker about.

You need to link your source first; that way we can tell whether or not your opinion is wrong without having to read all the gobbledygook.
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#366 Mar 26 2013 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I **** 15 times every time I take an IQ test.


If you'd said "every time I post" it would have explained some stuff.


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Not that I think putting the data out there will stop bickering, but at least you'll have something concrete to bicker about.

Are intelligence tests reliable?
Yes, after about age 9 intelligence test scores are fairly stable, with correlation coefficients in the .8 or higher range.

Is intelligence fairly stable?
Variations from around age 20 to around 80 see correlation coefficients around .6.

Are intelligence tests valid?
They are fairly good predictors of school achievement. Scores tend to correlate to income with a .5 coefficient. But is that measuring intelligence? There is a lot of debate over how intelligence is defined, with some psychologists even including kinesthetic intelligence (motor control and bodily orientation).


You understand that the kind of statistical analysis you're using (or whomever generated these stats that you're quoting used) is meaningless for this kind of data, right?
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If you'd said "every time I post" it would have explained some stuff.

Like why we're waist deep in ten year old semen?
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#369 Mar 26 2013 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Except that I don't think those people are actually smarter.

No! Who would have expected THAT twist?

What? Still everyone?
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Like why we're waist deep in ten year old semen?

If I had a dollar for each time I've asked myself that...
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If you'd said "every time I post" it would have explained some stuff.

Like why we're waist deep in ten year old semen?
Because just a box to **** in isn't enough...
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You understand that the kind of statistical analysis you're using (or whomever generated these stats that you're quoting used) is meaningless for this kind of data, right?


I'm fascinated why you think this. Please. GO ON.....
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Jophiel wrote:
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If you'd said "every time I post" it would have explained some stuff.

Like why we're waist deep in ten year old semen?

**** that is ten years old or **** from a 10 year old?

(i know i should know this)

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Semen that is ten years old or **** from a 10 year old?
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#375 Mar 27 2013 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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You get a lot of use out of that image.
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#376 Mar 28 2013 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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I found the commercial funny enough, and the format should have been used more often.
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