Kachi wrote:
@Allegory; I assume that's not directed at me? At least I thought I conveyed pretty much the opposite of that.
Smart one, eh?
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Smart one, eh?
I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy.
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
However, there are a number of other organizations that only accept people at higher percentiles, including people in the 99.9th percentile of intelligence. These people are not all living tortured, tormented lives. Many of them are socially well-adjusted and doing just fine. Yeah, there are tortured geniuses... usually those who can't adapt to the lunacy of our societal norms and expectations, but others find ways to cope with it and carry on.
Yes, there are, and they all disintegrate into in-fighting and goofiness. I wouldn't call most of the members of triple 9 even vaguely well adjusted, but then, I've met some of them and aren't just pulling things out of my *** arbitrarily.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 12:56pm by Smasharoo
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
However, there are a number of other organizations that only accept people at higher percentiles, including people in the 99.9th percentile of intelligence. These people are not all living tortured, tormented lives. Many of them are socially well-adjusted and doing just fine. Yeah, there are tortured geniuses... usually those who can't adapt to the lunacy of our societal norms and expectations, but others find ways to cope with it and carry on.
Yes, there are, and they all disintegrate into in-fighting and goofiness. I wouldn't call most of the members of triple 9 even vaguely well adjusted, but then, I've met some of them and aren't just pulling things out of my *** arbitrarily.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 12:56pm by Smasharoo
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Barkingturtle, Elderon, Nobby to an extent, and Smash of course, they all brought up their mental superiority numerous times. But then, they were/are all trolls, too.
Nobby's not joking. I assume the other two are; if not, they should be.
Nobby's not joking. I assume the other two are; if not, they should be.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
And in fact, there is a paper on this subject on T9's site. I know people who are eligible for Prometheus (who haven't joined, for obvious reasons). They stopped accepting the bulk of the tests a non-crazy person <35 would take, so I have no idea about my prospects.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
And in fact, there is a paper on this subject on T9's site. I know people who are eligible for Prometheus (who haven't joined, for obvious reasons). They stopped accepting the bulk of the tests a non-crazy person <35 would take, so I have no idea about my prospects.
"I'm so glad I'm a beta."
I just asked my husband if he remembered what his IQ was. He answered with, "I have a PhD, who cares any more?"
He has a point. (That article agrees, too, now that I've finished reading it.)
I'm the classic scatterbrained polymath Mensan-type the article discusses, who has her finger in too many pots and thus cannot focus on any one thing long enough to be great at it.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2013 3:18pm by catwho
Semi relevant to how it feels being around less intelligent people than yourselves.
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Smasharoo wrote:
I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy.
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
PICK BATTLESHIP! PICK BATTLESHIP! HAHAHAHAHAH
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Nexa wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy.
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
Let's play one. You pick. I love being trounced.
PICK BATTLESHIP! PICK BATTLESHIP! (Then, don't put any of your ships on the board) HAHAHAHAHAH
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But seriously, play Squad Leader. One of the Eastern front scenarios.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
How about a rousing game of Libertalia?
Battle of Wits!
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
You should play go.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Pai Sho!
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Timelordwho wrote:
And in fact, there is a paper on this subject on T9's site. I know people who are eligible for Prometheus (who haven't joined, for obvious reasons). They stopped accepting the bulk of the tests a non-crazy person <35 would take, so I have no idea about my prospects.
Oh wow, thank you so much TL:DR. This describes my partner's life so precisely in so many ways.
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Among the more serious problems faced by the gifted is that of learning to suffer fools gladly: to tolerate in some reasonable fashion the unreasonableness of others. Mensans actually do this far better than they believe, and the reason they do is that few of them were ever subjected to a gifted
-education program. To learn to suffer fools gladly, one must have some of them in his environment on whom to practice.
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In the final analysis, though, no problem is more severe or more long-lasting than that of social isolation. It is a problem seldom faced by those in the optimum adjustment range,and only a few Mensans have ever experienced its full force. For the person scoring above the adjustment threshold, however, the problem can be acute. For him, the problem of social isolation may indeed be insoluble. Except in large metropolitan areas, there may not be enough others like him in the same age range to compose even a moderate-sized class. The exceptionally gifted individual, therefore, must come to terms with a world in which heis unlikely ever to meet his peer. His strategy for adjusting to his world must include a stoic acceptance of lifelong solitude. For him, being a loner is not the sign of maladjustment it is for others, but a realistic adaptation to an intractable world. Nevertheless, being a loner does not preclude his making friends or caring about other people; it only means that he
will often feel like a visitor from another planet, or like an adult surrounded by children. He may love those around him, but he must learn that he is separated from them by a gulf that cannot be crossed.
will often feel like a visitor from another planet, or like an adult surrounded by children. He may love those around him, but he must learn that he is separated from them by a gulf that cannot be crossed.
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There is nothing inevitable about social maladjustment at any IQ level. The risks may be greater at high levels, but they can be reduced by discovering their causes and doing something intelligent about them. Simply recognizing them for what they are is half the battle.
Some highlights from that article.
@Smash: I don't assert that I would trounce you, not at all. Intelligence is not static, and most games don't stimulate enough arousal to coax a sincere effort from me. So, I wish there was a game that I wanted to play with you, but I don't know of one. I haven't been able to actually enjoy playing games in a very long time now.
Besides which, I'm really not interested in proving myself more intelligent than you. I'll even concede that there's a good chance you are more intelligent than I am--at least you may be more consistently intelligent than I am (regarding it's fluctuating nature). As I said, I really just don't hold intelligence in particularly high esteem. It's certainly been little more than a burden to me for a good deal of my life. My point was only that it is by no means an inevitability.
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Yes, there are, and they all disintegrate into in-fighting and goofiness.
So does the rest of the internet. I wouldn't use forum behavior as a demarcation of adjustment.
Kachi wrote:
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Yes, there are, and they all disintegrate into in-fighting and goofiness.
So does the rest of the internet. I wouldn't use forum behavior as a demarcation of adjustment.
He's talking about physical meetings...
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Intelligence is not static, and most games don't stimulate enough arousal to coax a sincere effort from me. So, I wish there was a game that I wanted to play with you, but I don't know of one. I haven't been able to actually enjoy playing games in a very long time now.
Besides which, I'm really not interested in proving myself more intelligent than you. I'll even concede that there's a good chance you are more intelligent than I am--at least you may be more consistently intelligent than I am (regarding it's fluctuating nature). As I said, I really just don't hold intelligence in particularly high esteem. It's certainly been little more than a burden to me for a good deal of my life. My point was only that it is by no means an inevitability.
Besides which, I'm really not interested in proving myself more intelligent than you. I'll even concede that there's a good chance you are more intelligent than I am--at least you may be more consistently intelligent than I am (regarding it's fluctuating nature). As I said, I really just don't hold intelligence in particularly high esteem. It's certainly been little more than a burden to me for a good deal of my life. My point was only that it is by no means an inevitability.
I'm pretty sure that you just have some social dysfunctions unrelated to this particular phenomenon. (the phenom phenomenom, for those at home who missed it.) Intelligence is really just a barometer measurement of certain capacities, it doesn't fluctuate wildly, barring severe trauma to the brain. Still though, It's wildly bizarre for an alleged brilliant strategist not to know any strategy games.
Just as Planned.
I said I don't know of any that I enjoy, not that I don't know of any. They get boring. I'm not going to play a game that I don't enjoy just to prove something that nobody here really cares about beyond a pissing contest.
As for intelligence, it demonstrably fluctuates wildly (not longitudinally, but daily). Drugs can alter it significantly, as can normal, daily metabolic differences, and blood oxygenation/flow. It's lower when you're tired than when you're wide awake. It can vary day to day due to mood. Only as a meaninglessly broad measure is intelligence a static trait when attempting to take a snapshot of it, as one would in observing the results of a test or game.
As for intelligence, it demonstrably fluctuates wildly (not longitudinally, but daily). Drugs can alter it significantly, as can normal, daily metabolic differences, and blood oxygenation/flow. It's lower when you're tired than when you're wide awake. It can vary day to day due to mood. Only as a meaninglessly broad measure is intelligence a static trait when attempting to take a snapshot of it, as one would in observing the results of a test or game.
For someone who doesn't care if the other people on the forum think he's intelligent or not, you sure are defensive about being intelligent...
I thought we were just having a conversation, but I guess you would know better than I how I'm feeling.
Kachi wrote:
I thought we were just having a conversation, but I guess you would know better than I how I'm feeling.
Well I know you are trolling, Duck. That's virtually a scientific law. I'm just willing to carry on an actual conversation while ignoring the antagonism that may or may not underlie it.
I'M IGNORING IT? SEE? THIS IS ME IGNORING IT! BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. NOPE. DON'T CARE AT ALL. SEE ALL THE NOT CARING I'M DOING.
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I'M IGNORING IT? SEE? THIS IS ME IGNORING IT! BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. NOPE. DON'T CARE AT ALL. SEE ALL THE NOT CARING I'M DOING.
I see your DON'T CARE AT ALL and raise you 500 SHENANIGANS.
lolgaxe wrote:
I'M IGNORING IT? SEE? THIS IS ME IGNORING IT! BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. NOPE. DON'T CARE AT ALL. SEE ALL THE NOT CARING I'M DOING?
ba-dum-tsssssssss
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
You do understand how there's a difference between ignoring someone, and conversing with them while not caring if they believe one specific and unimportant thing about you?
Wait, I think you do, and these are the aforementioned shenanigans? Where you pretend that you don't understand so you can keep herp-derping about how, "He's still doing it!" I honestly can't tell with some of you. Between the people who can and cannot carry on a serious conversation, it's an autistic labyrinth.
Wait, I think you do, and these are the aforementioned shenanigans? Where you pretend that you don't understand so you can keep herp-derping about how, "He's still doing it!" I honestly can't tell with some of you. Between the people who can and cannot carry on a serious conversation, it's an autistic labyrinth.
Aaaaaand back on topic.
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