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#77 Mar 22 2013 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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What hyper-intelligent people SHOULD be doing is inventing teleporters and food synthesizers and shit to make my life easier.


You know **** well that the airline industry buried the teleportation devices.

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#78 Mar 22 2013 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why would I care about your life being easier?

Because if I'm not placated, I rise up with my fellow troglodytes and we storm the castle with torches and pitchforks.
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#79 Mar 22 2013 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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There'll be another Scary Movie to distract you by the time you can organize that.
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#80 Mar 22 2013 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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I can spend an hour or 2 around others, but then I need to get away and be alone.


Your wife is an extrovert. You are an introvert. Extroverts tend not to understand introverts, and to think there's something wrong with us, and to get very excited about the prospect of fixing us.

On the other hand, if you can work with it, it's a pretty good balance.


It is his sister-in-law, so that might be a little awkward.
#81 Mar 22 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Nobody who willfully debates with Gbaji on this forum should be considered above the 98th percentile. I don't give a flying **** what opinion you have about yourself; the sheer act of interacting with people like Gbaji is a detriment to your intellect.
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#82 Mar 22 2013 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nobody who willfully debates with Gbaji on this forum should be considered above the 98th percentile. I don't give a flying @#%^ what opinion you have about yourself; the sheer act of interacting with people like Gbaji is a detriment to your intellect.

I think an Alma debate is worse for you than a gbaji one.

Posters should come with warning labels.

Also, i the above quoted text shouldn't it begin with anybody rather than nobody?

Edited, Mar 22nd 2013 9:03pm by Elinda
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#83 Mar 22 2013 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Nobody who willfully debates with Gbaji on this forum should be considered above the 98th percentile. I don't give a flying @#%^ what opinion you have about yourself; the sheer act of interacting with people like Gbaji is a detriment to your intellect.

I think an Alma debate is worse for you than a gbaji one.

Posters should come with warning labels.


"Women who are pregnant, or who could become pregnant, should avoid contact with gbaji..."
#84 Mar 22 2013 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobody who willfully debates with Gbaji on this forum should be considered above the 98th percentile. I don't give a flying @#%^ what opinion you have about yourself; the sheer act of interacting with people like Gbaji is a detriment to your intellect.

Nah, just your emotional health. As I'm a soft fluffy ball of barely suppressed homicidal rage at the best of times, one more long on that fire doesn't really do much.
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#85 Mar 22 2013 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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on balance, you'd probably want to err on the side of treating people who don't really need it rather than missing people who do.


I actually disagree entirely when it comes to mental illness if by treatment you mean drugs. If by treatment you mean therapy, sure, that's fine, but many of those meds have really serious side effects and limited efficacy even with the people they are designed to treat (see: anti-depressants).

I'm all for over-abundance of caution, but overprescribing or mis-prescribing medication can have serious, long-term deleterious health effects. I don't think, especially with children, we should be erring on the side of overprescribing, especially when in many cases behavioral therapy is a better treatment option anyway.

So yeah, therapy for everyone who wants it, drugs... let's be more careful.
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#86 Mar 22 2013 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I actually disagree entirely when it comes to mental illness if by treatment you mean drugs. If by treatment you mean therapy, sure, that's fine, but many of those meds have really serious side effects and limited efficacy even with the people they are designed to treat (see: anti-depressants).

I'm all for over-abundance of caution, but overprescribing or mis-prescribing medication can have serious, long-term deleterious health effects. I don't think, especially with children, we should be erring on the side of overprescribing, especially when in many cases behavioral therapy is a better treatment option anyway.

So yeah, therapy for everyone who wants it, drugs... let's be more careful.


Nah, I'd err on the side of medicating healthy people with psychoactive drugs with serious side effects. In fact, I generally just advocate for that wholesale without the charade of a "diagnosis"
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#87 Mar 22 2013 at 4:34 PM Rating: Default
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Smasharoo wrote:
Nobody who willfully debates with Gbaji on this forum should be considered above the 98th percentile. I don't give a flying @#%^ what opinion you have about yourself; the sheer act of interacting with people like Gbaji is a detriment to your intellect.

Nah, just your emotional health. As I'm a soft fluffy ball of barely suppressed homicidal rage at the best of times, one more long on that fire doesn't really do much.


That and you already told them why you argue with me.
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#88 Mar 22 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
Samira wrote:
xantav wrote:
I can spend an hour or 2 around others, but then I need to get away and be alone.


Your wife is an extrovert. You are an introvert. Extroverts tend not to understand introverts, and to think there's something wrong with us, and to get very excited about the prospect of fixing us.

On the other hand, if you can work with it, it's a pretty good balance.


It is his sister-in-law, so that might be a little awkward.


Awkwardly awesome, you mean!
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#89 Mar 22 2013 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
I actually disagree entirely when it comes to mental illness if by treatment you mean drugs. If by treatment you mean therapy, sure, that's fine, but many of those meds have really serious side effects and limited efficacy even with the people they are designed to treat (see: anti-depressants).

I'm all for over-abundance of caution, but overprescribing or mis-prescribing medication can have serious, long-term deleterious health effects. I don't think, especially with children, we should be erring on the side of overprescribing, especially when in many cases behavioral therapy is a better treatment option anyway.

So yeah, therapy for everyone who wants it, drugs... let's be more careful.


Nah, I'd err on the side of medicating healthy people with psychoactive drugs with serious side effects. In fact, I generally just advocate for that wholesale without the charade of a "diagnosis"

So...LSD in the drinking water along with fluoride?
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#90 Mar 22 2013 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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So...LSD in the drinking water along with fluoride?

Mescaline. I imagine you'd get arrested doing it today, but then I'm not sure that wasn't the case then. I was probably fortunate to have some unusual credentials with me that may have gained me some wiggle room there.
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#91 Mar 22 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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I used to think the same way until I started to grow out of my (relatively mild) Aspergers Smiley: lol There are actually plenty of very intelligent, happy, well-adjusted people.

No, there are plenty of *reasonably intelligent" happy, well-adjusted people. It's not at all the same. People in the 98th percentile of intelligence accomplish a lot, live happy lives and are recognized as bright by their peers and families. People in the 99.9th percentile of intelligence live tormented lives, kill themselves at a rate around 20 times higher than the general population and are recognized as "different" and "difficult" by their peers.

Not something I made up out of hubris or emo attention seeking, it's a known phenomenon. People generally associate with those who near to them in intelligence, when there are fewer and fewer of those people in the world, socialization becomes more difficult. Not that you can't learn to fake it to get laid, it's easy, but really, how would your social life be impacted if you really only had anything in common with people who had the same first and middle name as you. How many of them would you meet if you didn't go out of your way to find them?


This is demonstrably wrong. The 98th percentile puts you in MENSA, which is not difficult to get into. 1/50 people are eligible. My brother is in MENSA, for example. He's very intelligent. Relative to a genius? No, but still very intelligent. But your point is taken that these people aren't exactly geniuses.

However, there are a number of other organizations that only accept people at higher percentiles, including people in the 99.9th percentile of intelligence. These people are not all living tortured, tormented lives. Many of them are socially well-adjusted and doing just fine. Yeah, there are tortured geniuses... usually those who can't adapt to the lunacy of our societal norms and expectations, but others find ways to cope with it and carry on.

I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy. I was virtually a recluse for seven years just because I couldn't tolerate other people. It wasn't that I didn't know or understand social conventions--I was just miserably frustrated being around normal people. Every time they would open their mouths, the words that came out would bore me at best, and often make me cringe inside. I became a complete misanthrope. I described it the same as you--like I was surrounded by little children. But I learned to be fine with the solitude. And then I started to grow out of it, and found a wonderful, very intelligent partner who appreciates the way I am. I learned to accept and ignore the world's problems and live my life according to my own meaning.

There's nothing to inherently make a genius unhappy. Intelligence can be used as a tool to thrive in solitude, or it can be used to find a niche for your life that involves others. Are you statistically more likely to be unhappy? Yes. But you also have one of the greatest tools in the world for overcoming long odds.
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#92 Mar 22 2013 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal


Exactly how low on the scale do you rank?



Sarcasm aside, failure to recognize the intellectual capacity of others does not equate to you having a greater intellectual capacity yourself.
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#93 Mar 22 2013 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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No wonder I'm such an antisocial malcontent. It's true; I hate people in general.
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#94 Mar 22 2013 at 8:59 PM Rating: Default
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I don't actually care if other people think I'm intelligent. I learned long ago that no one cares how intelligent you are, only what you do in life. And it certainly doesn't make you happy in and of itself.

And yes, I'm fully aware of the Dunning Kruger theory. My intelligence is established by objective measures and by comparisons to other highly intelligent people.

Intelligence is also merely a measure of potential. Being intelligent and being smart are quite different things. Many people with high intelligence waste that potential. I squander a fair bit of it myself.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#95 Mar 22 2013 at 9:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't actually care if other people think I'm intelligent.
I, too, don't care about things that don't happen.
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#96 Mar 22 2013 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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I had to look that one up. So it's sort of how like everyone in America assumes himself or herself to be an above average driver, except for the NASCAR racers who know they're sort of okay at it, but they've still got good odds of dying as a fireball on the side of the road.
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#97 Mar 23 2013 at 12:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gee, nothing is more fun than having a conversation with people whose entire sense of self worth is wrapped around their belief of mental superiority over you.
#98 Mar 23 2013 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think you can accuse Kachi of that. To my recollection, it's the first time he's brought the idea of him being extremely intelligent up in these forums.

Barkingturtle, Elderon, Nobby to an extent, and Smash of course, they all brought up their mental superiority numerous times. But then, they were/are all trolls, too.
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#99 Mar 23 2013 at 12:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think you can accuse Kachi of that. To my recollection, it's the first time he's brought the idea of him being extremely intelligent up in these forums.


When I noticed the posting name, I thought, "Oh great, the guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone."

Seriously. That's been his schtick for a while now.
#100 Mar 23 2013 at 1:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure I've probably joined in the ******* contests in my tenure here from time to time, but it's not like I'm remotely the only one, and that was quite a few years ago. I probably only stick out to you because I recall us getting into it a couple of times over really stupid things. At times I was condescending to you unjustly, and for that I apologize. I was probably just frustrated at the unsolvable puzzle that is gbaji's mind.

Has my opinion of my intelligence changed? Not really. But my opinion of the value of intelligence hasn't been very high for many years now. I've known too many people who wasted it, or used it as a justification to be an *** to others, or to feel superior. Knowing that as a truth and acting on it are different things, and I've gotten better at the latter as I've grown older. It's also very easy to mistake confidence for arrogance. Still not always so good at conveying that distinction, unfortunately.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#101 Mar 23 2013 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
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@catwho; It's exactly like that. People underestimate skills that they've never performed, and they exhibit confirmation biases and fundamental attribution errors when assessing their own ability level. Knowledge of evaluation generally requires knowledge of the skill, so people who don't have the skill to do it well also lack the skill to evaluate whether it is being done well. Not just skills but traits like humor, intelligence, compassion, etc.

@Allegory; I assume that's not directed at me? At least I thought I conveyed pretty much the opposite of that.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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