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#152 Mar 24 2013 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Again, you're inferring things about me that aren't true. I don't think of any of you as less than me. I certainly don't see you as insects. If I seem cold about it, it's just because I also don't believe for an instant that any of you care the least bit about me. I don't mean that in a personal way, but just in the way that people don't care about others that they don't know. How many of you really see me as a person?

If you care about me, I am all too happy to care about you. If that deal doesn't interest you, then I am not the least little bit bothered by that, no more than I am by all the other billions in the world to which my existence is meaningless. Isn't that just how people generally work?

I guess the problem is that I don't know how to articulate this kindly: I have for most of my adult life felt as if surrounded by children. That doesn't mean I don't love children, respect them, or think of them as any less entitled to happiness and respect than I. But I also understand the frustration that accompanies it. If I could think of an affirming, supportive way to assert these things about myself, I would love to use those words, but as I admitted, I am something of a social dummy. I am not trying to put others down or lift myself above them--those feelings aren't in me, no matter what words I choose to express myself. I was just attempting to share a sentiment with someone who seemed to be in a plight that I identified with.
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How many of you really see me as a person?
I was recently playing an online game and someone was named Kechi. I thought it was you at first and was excited.
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Sorry, afraid not. Why would you be excited to see me?

I feel it's fair to add that I'm not blaming anyone for making those inferences about me, by the way. I recognize that they're understandable.
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Seems to me that you're inferring arrogance where there is none. I was just trying to relate with the person I was talking to by sharing some self perceptions. Do you always perceive it as toolish/defensive when someone explains how they think and feel about themselves to you? Seems like it would make for problematic interpersonal relationships.


Do you not understand that this:

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I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy. I was virtually a recluse for seven years just because I couldn't tolerate other people. It wasn't that I didn't know or understand social conventions--I was just miserably frustrated being around normal people. Every time they would open their mouths, the words that came out would bore me at best, and often make me cringe inside.


...refers to people other than yourself?

You're welcome to think what you want about your intelligence and that of others around you, but this all just strikes me as run-of-the-mill sociopathy.
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#156 Mar 24 2013 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I do, but I guess I was lead to feel safe in saying so, as the person that I was talking directly to had essentially raised the point already.

I might not have made it quite clear, but that is how I used to feel. I always cared about and empathized with others. Really, my inclination is to be a very loving person. For example, I have two little sisters who are about 20-25 years younger than I am, and we have a great relationship. We love to see each other, to do things together, and we care about one another deeply. (I'm even their favorite! Shh, that's a secret.) But that doesn't mean that I don't get tired of them if I'm around them all day, every day.

Point being, I don't think I weigh in much more heavily on the sociopath scale than most people that I've talked to candidly. Maybe somewhere above average, but I'm far from a sociopath.
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#157 Mar 24 2013 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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If I seem cold about it, it's just because I also don't believe for an instant that any of you care the least bit about me.

No, you're not reacting to antipathy here. You provoked it. No one antagonized you until your comment about being intellectual superior to everyone you've ever met. You're not a victim, you're an assailant.
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I still don't see how that's antagonizing anyone. Per the discussion we were having, it was merely an anecdote in support of my position.

I mean, the person I was talking to asserted the same thing, you realize. Correction: they may have met people they consider their equal, just that none are here. But that's rather a moot point.

Edited, Mar 24th 2013 3:08pm by Kachi
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I still don't see how that's antagonizing anyone.


Not surprising, considering the recent trend of this conversation has done nothing to shed light on any supposed intelligence on your end of the wire.
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#160 Mar 24 2013 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Quack, quack. Right back at you.
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#161 Mar 24 2013 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still don't see how that's antagonizing anyone. Per the discussion we were having, it was merely an anecdote in support of my position.

I mean, the person I was talking to asserted the same thing, you realize. Correction: they may have met people they consider their equal, just that none are here. But that's rather a moot point.


It's probably something to do with the fact that you express yourself in a stilted, priggish manner. Most people you meet regard you as a bit of a tool, quite apart from what you think about how intelligent you are. Smasharoo is quite funny, which makes him more likable. People are more willing to tolerate things that they see as rude or inaccurate from people they like. Your boast will be regarded as more inaccurate, too, and that's another factor we have to consider.

Let's talk a bit more about that. It's difficult to see how anyone without a strong grasp of social dynamics and psychology could be an excellent strategist. More generally, if you accept that you're socially retarded you should expect people to perceive you as unintelligent if all they've done is talked to you. Your claims to genius, even if they are true, will seem wildly implausible. Generally, people will react to someone they see as a boastful idiot with expressions of contempt.

There, I hope that helped you to understand the ways of humans. If you see more behaviour that confuses you, feel free to drop me a line.
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#162 Mar 24 2013 at 4:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I also don't believe for an instant that any of you care the least bit about me.
I care about everybody in the Asylum and the OoT. You guys are my besties!
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#163 Mar 24 2013 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me talk to you in a way you can understand.

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I still don't see how that's antagonizing anyone. Per the discussion we were having, it was merely an anecdote in support of my position.

I mean, the person I was talking to asserted the same thing, you realize. Correction: they may have met people they consider their equal, just that none are here. But that's rather a moot point.


It's probably something to do with the fact that you express yourself in a stilted, priggish manner. Most people you meet regard you as a bit of a tool, quite apart from what you think about how intelligent you are. Smasharoo is quite funny, which makes him more likable. People are more willing to tolerate things that they see as rude or inaccurate from people they like. Your boast will be regarded as more inaccurate, too, and that's another factor we have to consider.

Let's talk a bit more about that. It's difficult to see how anyone without a strong grasp of social dynamics and psychology could be an excellent strategist. More generally, if you accept that you're socially retarded you should expect people to perceive you as unintelligent if all they've done is talked to you. Your claims to genius, even if they are true, will seem wildly implausible. Generally, people will react to someone they see as a boastful idiot with expressions of contempt.

There, I hope that helped you to understand the ways of humans. If you see more behaviour that confuses you, feel free to drop me a line.


I've considered that a large part of it is probably that I'm seen as taking myself too seriously. But to me, this is just a game of "can we understand one another?" I think it's very amusing. I guess that makes me dreadfully boring and frustrating to others. I suppose it's a convenience to dismiss their feelings when the benefit of the relationship is so one-sided, though I truthfully thought that most of the conflict here was for the purpose of amusement. But I better understand now; thank you for taking the time to explain your perceptions.

Having said that, I still contend that I showed no disrespect to anyone, and yet I elicited disrespect in return. That makes it difficult for me to feel that establishing any emotional investment is warranted.

As for social dynamics and psychology, I do have a strong grasp of them, albeit in a more rigid, technical sense. My PhD is in psychology. And many of the people I've talked to regard me as very intelligent, even brilliant. Even those with established IQs of 150+, like my significant other and certain colleagues. High intelligence runs in my family (as does autism, apparently).

To me, it's just a matter of fact. Suppose you are one in a thousand. That's not so ridiculous, really, is it? There would be nearly 300,000 such people in the U.S. alone. And how many people are subscribed to this board? Would you say that you've actually, really, met a thousand people? Now what if you turn it up a standard deviation, and it's closer to ten thousand? There's nothing so incredulous about asserting that I've never met someone I consider an intellectual equal (and I do mean actually met). At that point, it's just statistics playing out. And that's just intelligence. For some people it's their athletic ability, or another strength. On the internet, exceptional people are all around. Your odds of meeting an exceptional person online are thousands of times more probable than in person, logistically.

I truly didn't mean to sound pompous. If Smash is anything like me, we've endured similar problems. I was only trying to establish a basis with which to empathize and encourage. Clearly, I failed to do that. But even brilliant people have numerous everyday failings.

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#164 Mar 24 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I also don't believe for an instant that any of you care the least bit about me.
I care about everybody in the Asylum and the OoT. You guys are my besties!


Am I included in that? I'll probably be gone in like, a week.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#165 Mar 24 2013 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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I also don't believe for an instant that any of you care the least bit about me.
I care about everybody in the Asylum and the OoT. You guys are my besties!
Am I included in that? I'll probably be gone in like, a week.
And then I'll miss you because that how it works.Smiley: grin
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What I have a hard time believing is that someone with extraordinary intelligence would be spending their time arguing this unanswerable question with strangers on in internet gaming forum.


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This is how I feel when I read the Asylum: Smiley: crymore
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That's how I feel when trying to read the TG thread...if you add comic headache do-dads to the smiley.
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I can't mention one of mine in passing without it being seen as me boasting like a tool?



Kachi wrote:
I have -never- met someone I considered to be my intellectual equal (you're welcome to think that's hubris; I've learned not to care). e.g., I trounce the MENSA people I know in games of strategy. I was virtually a recluse for seven years just because I couldn't tolerate other people. It wasn't that I didn't know or understand social conventions--I was just miserably frustrated being around normal people. Every time they would open their mouths, the words that came out would bore me at best, and often make me cringe inside.


This paragraph is what makes you a tool. If you were half as smart as you claim, you would have very little trouble discerning why.

Well, you obviously didn't read http://www.triplenine.org/download/IQ_and_the_Problem_of_Social_Adjustment.pdf, which TL:DR helpfully linked to us. That link says EXACTLY why almost every extremely intelligent person is completely unsocialized, or in other words, lacks any "social intelligence". Being hyper intelligent will NOT explain to them how and why other people act, behave and speak the way that they do. We are literally incomprehensible to them. Unless the hyper-intelligent person stumbles across psychological and behavioral texts in their young childhood.
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Meh. That's just them trying to make an excuse so they can be assholes

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Lets add Eske, Allegory and Kavekk to the people who didn't read the T9 link, OR who are being arseholes.

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It's difficult to see how anyone without a strong grasp of social dynamics and psychology could be an excellent strategist.
This shows that you didn't read the entire T9 article.
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More generally, if you accept that you're socially retarded you should expect people to perceive you as unintelligent if all they've done is talked to you. Your claims to genius, even if they are true, will seem wildly implausible. Generally, people will react to someone they see as a boastful idiot with expressions of contempt.

There, I hope that helped you to understand the ways of humans. If you see more behaviour that confuses you, feel free to drop me a line.
This is a perfect demonstration, as per the T9 article, of why geniuses don't burn out, they are cremated alive by society at large, and educational institutions in particular.

Edited, Mar 24th 2013 10:40pm by Aripyanfar
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This shows that you didn't read the entire T9 article.


I didn't and it doesn't.

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This is a perfect demonstration, as per the T9 article, of why geniuses don't burn out, they are cremated alive by society at large, and educational institutions in particular.


You can be so humourless sometimes, Ari.
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You can be so humourless naive sometimes, Ari.

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You can be so humourless naive sometimes, Ari.



The old stop hitting yourself gag, eh?
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Well, you obviously didn't read http://www.triplenine.org/download/IQ_and_the_Problem_of_Social_Adjustment.pdf, which TL:DR helpfully linked to us. That link says EXACTLY why almost every extremely intelligent person is completely unsocialized, or in other words, lacks any "social intelligence". Being hyper intelligent will NOT explain to them how and why other people act, behave and speak the way that they do. We are literally incomprehensible to them. Unless the hyper-intelligent person stumbles across psychological and behavioral texts in their young childhood.


I wouldn't say that it's entirely due to lack of socialization, but I guess socialization doesn't have the same developmental impact for a child with autism, either. I was fortunate to have a few years where I took properly to socialization (but I was medicated with large doses of speed during those years; gogo ADD diagnosis). As a child, I only knew people by their hair, and in middle school, I would read alone in the library rather than go to lunch. But I had a supportive mother, two younger brothers, and playmates from time to time. All considered, my childhood was relatively normal. Unfortunately when I caught up to my developmental delays in adulthood it was like a second puberty. That was when I started to become noticeably more intelligent, like I just kept growing up and everyone else stayed the same. Before long I was surpassing my professors. So on top of social difficulties in general, I literally ran out of peers. All I could enjoy were autistic playmates, and now I barely enjoy most games. Now I just make my own. Er, anyway...

So I understand social cues relatively well now, but I do have a very difficult time filtering what I say, and generally cannot understand, or let's say, "am not able to agree" why I shouldn't speak my mind.

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Edited, Mar 24th 2013 10:11pm by TirithRR


I'm sure that's probably true of some people. But for me, all of these things started well before anyone even knew about autism. When I was growing up, autism wasn't even a thing. And no one who knows me in person would describe me as an @#%^; I am generally a very sweet and affectionate person. Conversely, a large percentage of people I meet on the web seem to think so. I think a part of it is that if you came to know me in person, you'd realize before long that there was something fundamentally different about me, but here in text, a lot of that gets lost in translation. Here's a thoroughly enlightening article on autism:

http://www.jamesmw.com/sixrules.htm

This pretty much sums up the thread in a nutshell, at least for my part, eh? (tl;dr, just skim the bolded) I just found it in the middle of writing this reply. I'm actually not that well-versed on autism. Somehow I never took a great interest in it.

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This shows that you didn't read the entire T9 article.


I didn't and it doesn't.

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You can be so humourless sometimes, Ari.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't like you anymore, or have stopped wanting you to whisper in my ear while we @#%^ each other's brains out.
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I don't think of any of you as less than me. I certainly don't see you as insects.


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Lets add Eske, Allegory and Kavekk to the people who didn't read the T9 link, OR who are being arseholes.


Perhaps your link proves why some geniuses are jerks (it wouldn't load for me). But unless it proves that all jerks are geniuses, it's irrelevant to anything that I've said here.
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@Olorinus: What? You did read what I was responding to, I presume? If you did, does the quoted part not seem like a necessary clarification? Or is a refutation tantamount to just "being defensive"?

I appreciate it if you actually share your thoughts rather than simply piping in with a facepalm. It's exactly that type of dismissiveness that fuels my perception that the lack of genuine regard in this forum is mutual.

The plight of the autistic is embodied when no matter how I explain myself, I am rejected just for expressing honest, well-intentioned sentiments. If I could legitimately appreciate irony, I'm sure this would be delicious.
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The plight of the autistic is embodied when no matter how I explain myself, I am rejected just for expressing honest, well-intentioned sentiments. If I could legitimately appreciate irony, I'm sure this would be delicious.
You've been rejected for being a pompous ass.


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So you can take it when someone is better at football than you. You understand when people can sing like angels and play the guitar like a devil, and you can't, because you never put the practice in, or it just never came easily to you. People who have the patience for the mind numbing, critical jobs of accountancy or programming are amazing. If it comes up in conversation, OF COURSE you're going to send your jock friend out to wear out the kids and dogs at the party, or push your musician friend up to the karaoke mike and not resent him when you sound like a crow after. It's fine for the lead programmer to get set a task you can't do with her speed or efficacy. But god forbid she mention around the water cooler that she's a great programmer because she's exceptionally intelligent.

Why is it pompous? Why do people feel attacked, or looked down on when somebody says they're really smart? Why don't you accept the statement as being as self deprecating as a dancer or musician talking about what nature has bestowed on them?

I was a dancer, but beside Nureyev I was a toddler. As a singer, beside Pavarotti I'm less than a fetus, I'm an embryo. I skyped for years with Mindel, and beside her I AM a child. In fact now I think about this, I'm getting cross. Because I've skyped with enought OOT and Asylum regulars to KNOW that more than half of you think that most of the posters here are less intelligent than you are. From my point of view, THAT irony is as sharp as malice. And don't think I'm not aware that I'm also prone to judge other posters as less intelligent than me.

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Why is it pompous? Why do people feel attacked, or looked down on when somebody says they're really smart? Why don't you accept the statement as being as self deprecating as a dancer or musician talking about what nature has bestowed on them?

Edited, Mar 25th 2013 8:46am by Aripyanfar
Other's have pointed out where he's come off as pompous. I'm not going to go back through the thread and find the key quotes. But I know he's referred to others as 'like children' to him. That's condescending. By continually trying to explain and justify his attitude, he's only reinforced his perceived superiority.

A really good dancer doesn't cringe at the thought of having to interact with all the rest of humanity because they are not such good dancers.






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But a really good dancer might be distressed at being trapped into performing public productions with other dancers that are totally outclassed in comparison. How can they enjoy the dance, and feel that they have given to the audience, if the other dancers are wobbling around out of time with each other? How can they feel connected with those other dancers? Feel the exhilaration of a job well done? Any camradie behind the curtains?

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Right, so I'm a pompous ass even though I've explained as explicitly as possible that I don't think that I'm better than anyone else here. No matter how I try to amend the misunderstanding, the initial social faux pas is done, and the damage can never be reversed.

And this is reasonable to you, and I'm expected not to find it infuriating.

Aripyanfar is articulating what I suppose I cannot.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#188 Mar 25 2013 at 7:43 AM Rating: Default
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Oh I'm well aware that Kachi committed several social faux pas. But most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts. And you aren't permitting another explanation for his faux pas to pass into your brain once you've decided s/he's arrogant. You know, I've sat in a lecture hall with a goddawfully BORINGLY VOICED lecturer, and a Godawfully SOCIALLY CRINGWORTHY lecturer, and a goddawfully UGLY lecturer, and been aware that 90 percent of the hundreds of students around me couldn't take in the wonderfully interesting information passing these lecturer's lips for most of the year because they couldn't get past one impression about who was talking in order to hear what they were actually saying.
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Nope, just boring.
Well, that too, probably.
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ITT: Ari attacks the very notion of humility, fails.

Oh I'm well aware that Kachi committed several social faux pas. But most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts.


I don't think that this is the first impression of Kachi for any of us.
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About a year ago.
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Oh I'm well aware that Kachi committed several social faux pas. But most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts.


I don't think that this is the first impression of Kachi for any of us.

Except me, in my amnesiac state. But most of you are still not letting any of Kachi's posts stand on their own merit. Even I will rate up a gbaji or Almalieque post if I think it has excellent merit in the form of information, facts or exceptional humor. This is despite a general wish to downrate every single post of theirs just because it's them.
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Hot damn, so many people stroking themselves and each other in here, we're all gonna drown in the splooge.
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It's like an orgy where everyone is only playing with themselves.

It could be so much more......
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ITT: Ari attacks the very notion of humility, fails.

Oh I'm well aware that Kachi committed several social faux pas. But most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts.


I don't think that this is the first impression of Kachi for any of us.


I haven't been active in this forum for nearly 3 years, during which time I've learned a great deal about myself and become much better socially adjusted. And frankly, one of the things I learned was that posting here as a part of this community was very toxic to my personality.

To me, the most admirable qualities a person can possess are to be well-meaning and hard-working. I admire those two qualities greatly, much more so than intelligence, even wherein they achieve undesirable ends. I am very well-meaning, but not especially hard-working. I succeed in spite of it, but I don't think it's the least bit admirable of me. I squander a lot of my potential, so I really have nothing to brag about save for having some enlightened perspectives on topics of interest to me.

Is this really such a pompous view of the world or the self?
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ITT: Ari attacks the very notion of humility, fails.

Oh I'm well aware that Kachi committed several social faux pas. But most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts.


I don't think that this is the first impression of Kachi for any of us.

Except me, in my amnesiac state. But most of you are still not letting any of Kachi's posts stand on their own merit. Even I will rate up a gbaji or Almalieque post if I think it has excellent merit in the form of information, facts or exceptional humor. This is despite a general wish to downrate every single post of theirs just because it's them.


I don't think any of his posts here have any merit to stand on.

I think that the braggadocio from his earlier post is who he is. I find his awkward, "one-step-forward-two-steps-back" retractions that have followed it to be insincere. I've never seen him demonstrate anything resembling genius-level intellect on these forums, so I've no reason to believe his claims to it.

I'm nonplussed* that you'd think otherwise. He's offered no reason for you to be so forthcoming.

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Perhaps you should put another three years in.

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I haven't been active in this forum for nearly 3 years, during which time I've learned a great deal about myself and become much better socially adjusted. And frankly, one of the things I learned was that posting here as a part of this community was very toxic to my personality.

"Turns out I'm a fucking emo pussy" is shorter, and likely far more accurate.
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Right, so I'm a pompous ass even though I've explained as explicitly as possible that I don't think that I'm better than anyone else here. No matter how I try to amend the misunderstanding, the initial social faux pas is done, and the damage can never be reversed.
You'd do better just saying yeah, that was a bit pompous, deal with it mother @#%^ers, or yeah, that was a bit pompous, but that wasn't my intention oops, but instead you came seem to be saying, well, actually it wasn't really pompous, just seemed that way, which won't resonate.

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#199 Mar 25 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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most of you are letting first impressions blind you to the merit of any subsequent posts. And you aren't permitting another explanation for his faux pas to pass into your brain once you've decided s/he's arrogant. .


I'm so intelligent I am not intellegent enough to recognize that referring to other people as children and intellectual gnats when I have done nothing of any real world consequence will be seen as pompous and completely unbelievable. Then when challenged to prove my statements about my strategy game prowess, I decline, because nothing proves how intelligent you are like refusing to prove it.

Ari, anyone can come on to an internet forum and proclaim they are much too intelligent to sound intelligent. In fact, as noted, there is a whole flock of misunderstood geniuses around here if you were to believe every single person who declared themselves above the common crowd.

The thing about intelligence though, it's worthless except in application. If you're so intelligent that you can accomplish nothing and relate to no one, you aren't really that intelligent at all, regardless of what some flawed test might tell you. Being good at a test doesn't mean being good at life. Being good at life, in case you haven't noticed, is a way more useful thing than scoring high on a test. In other words, being a genius on paper is nothing to boast about. Come back here when you discover something on par with the theory of relativity. Or invent something at least as cool as an electromagnetic microscope. Until then, whenever you talk about how brilliant you are, I'll think you're full of sh*t.

Besides, boasters are usually bores.


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I just want to point out that, probably because of the autism, Kachi is trolling us now on Alma levels. I also want to make sure that those of you falling in to his trap realize that you are unknowingly enforcing his superiority complex. It's the usual suspects (Ari, BD, Eske), I'm sure Ari won't mind though this unintended consequence.

He thinks he's pulling something over on everyone else. Asking ingenuous questions to make you all think he's trying to learn something, when he's just making you post in circles, and nothing you will say will ever satisfy him. Like I said, smells too much like Alma- incomprehensible to us, thrilling to the perp; it's probably the 'tism.
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