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#1 Mar 13 2013 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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While War and Peace is a fictional novel, it posits a factual theory that can be examined on practical, sociological, political, mathematical and philosophical levels. I don't want to scare readers with a wall of text, so I'm just going to jump to its conclusion, and presume the conclusion is true, because It made sense as it was written, and I've read articles elsewhere that back it up. We can argue about it's actual truth later. The theory states that the actions that a single soldier do, heavily affect the outcome of a battle, therefore affect a war, and thus can affect the outcome of history. The actions of the single soldier heavily affect the battle because the battle is an aggregate of single actions. The soldier affects the outcome both in and of his own actions alone, and because of the knock-on effect his actions have on his peers around him. The single soldiers actions can even take an in-theory overwhelmingly advantaged side in a battle, and lose it for the Should-Have-Won side, or win it for the Should-Have-Lost side.

This theory obviously transfers into citizen voting actions, and into consumer power to move the marketplace. it is only a sense of disempowerment that leads individuals to not take advantage of the true leverage that they have to affect outcomes.

This is why I take some time to heavily scrutinise new things I'm purchasing (not repeat purchases) for their balance of environmental, health and ethical qualities like slave labour and "fair trade" qualities. I'm buying a better world, one purchase at a time. And I'm prepared to pay extra for it. Even when I was a severely impoverished student and single disabled pensioner, I was prepared to pay extra to buy the world I want in the future.
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#2 Mar 13 2013 at 12:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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For the record I hated that book.
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#3 Mar 13 2013 at 12:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
The theory states that the actions that a single soldier do, heavily affect the outcome of a battle, therefore affect a war, and thus can affect the outcome of history. The actions of the single soldier heavily affect the battle because the battle is an aggregate of single actions.
Personally, I would have gone with Mulan instead of War and Peace, but that's probably only because I still break out into renditions of "I'll Make a Man Out of You" on a regular basis.
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#4 Mar 13 2013 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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Good quote. It was sadly underverbose for my style.
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#5 Mar 13 2013 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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For the record I hated that book.

It's not a great book, even Tolstoy wasn't that fond of it.
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This is also why boycotts can be effective. Enough people have to dogpile on to send the message, but you need to be one of those "enough" people if you want to have any hope of your message getting accross.

This is why our usual Tuesday night Papa John's pizza night turned into "frozen pizza night" instead. We haven't really missed it.
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#7 Mar 13 2013 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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This is why our usual Tuesday night Papa John's pizza night turned into "frozen pizza night" instead. We haven't really missed it.

It's a franchise. You stopped some random dude from making money because the guy he paid to use a name is an *******. Maybe that was your goal, to punish someone else for associating with someone who later said something you disliked, but it don't think I'd really qualify it as "effective".
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Maybe they were boycotting terrible franchise pizza.
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#9 Mar 13 2013 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Wait. What did Papa John's do to deserve a boycott?
#10 Mar 13 2013 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Wait. What did Papa John's do to deserve a boycott?


Well it wasn't the any Large 5-topping or specialty pizza for $11 deal.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Wait. What did Papa John's do to deserve a boycott?


Weren't they one of the companies that caught a lot of flak for switching everyone to 39 hour work weeks so they woudn't have to give them medical insurance?
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#12 Mar 13 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Papa John's had 3,179 US locations, 646 of which are corporate owned. So, all things being equal, you'd have a 20% chance of your local Papa John's being "directly" owned by John Schnatter (as CEO of Papa John's).

I have no clue, or interest in researching, what level of control the corporate level has over its franchisees in terms of health benefits, etc.
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#13 Mar 13 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Wait. What did Papa John's do to deserve a boycott?
Bad tasting pizza isn't reason enough?
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#14 Mar 13 2013 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
While War and Peace is a fictional novel, it posits a factual theory that can be examined on practical, sociological, political, mathematical and philosophical levels. I don't want to scare readers with a wall of text, so I'm just going to jump to its conclusion, and presume the conclusion is true, because It made sense as it was written, and I've read articles elsewhere that back it up. We can argue about it's actual truth later. The theory states that the actions that a single soldier do, heavily affect the outcome of a battle, therefore affect a war, and thus can affect the outcome of history. The actions of the single soldier heavily affect the battle because the battle is an aggregate of single actions. The soldier affects the outcome both in and of his own actions alone, and because of the knock-on effect his actions have on his peers around him. The single soldiers actions can even take an in-theory overwhelmingly advantaged side in a battle, and lose it for the Should-Have-Won side, or win it for the Should-Have-Lost side.
SPOILER ALERT.

Seriously, I'm going to finish reading War and Peace someday...maybe. I think I've made 5 attempts now. I even loaded up an e-copy on my Nook.
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This is why I take some time to heavily scrutinise new things I'm purchasing (not repeat purchases) for their balance of environmental, health and ethical qualities like slave labour and "fair trade" qualities. I'm buying a better world, one purchase at a time. And I'm prepared to pay extra for it. Even when I was a severely impoverished student and single disabled pensioner, I was prepared to pay extra to buy the world I want in the future.
Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Sometimes there just isn't opportunity to research where all the parts or ingredients originated. I think I've mentioned my boycott list before here. It's not really boycott, just places I avoid spending my money for one reason or another.

The first company to ever make my list was Duncan Donuts. Once my world was full of flittery butterflies, Cowsill songs played in the background and there was a little mom and pop bakery on every corner. Then Dunkin Donuts came to town. Smiley: oyvey

Next came Old Navy. My kids loved old navy clothes, I found them to be cheaply made, also they exploited kid-workers in other countries (or so I heard). I think it was their business model that ****** me off so much. They pushed quantities of clothes. Almost to the point were you'd consider them as disposable items. Anyways, I've not spent a dime on an Old Navy shirt, skirt, hoodie or beach towel in a decade.

Bed Bath and Beyond made my list based on my daughter's description of the slave labor she endured as an employee for about 8 years. Also their stores are just facades. All those towels so neatly folded in all those pretty colors stacked up on the high shelves just out of reach - it's a lie. They're just foam molds covered with a towel.
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#15 Mar 13 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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For the record I hated that book.

It's not a great book, even Tolstoy wasn't that fond of it.


I think it needed more characters and side stories. That and I dropped the damned thing on my foot once and it really hurt.
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#16 Mar 13 2013 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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All those towels so neatly folded in all those pretty colors stacked up on the high shelves just out of reach - it's a lie. They're just foam molds covered with a towel.

Unless I need to buy 200 cranberry bath towels at once, I can't imagine why this should bother me.
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Why would Elinda's sudden need for 200 cranberry bath towels bother you?

Yes, I completely misread it.

Edited, Mar 13th 2013 2:57pm by lolgaxe
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Wait. What did Papa John's do to deserve a boycott?
Bad tasting pizza isn't reason enough?

I don't think it's really a boycott if you're just not buying products you don't like.
#19 Mar 13 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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It could be argued that not buying products you don't like is a basic form of boycotting, and we could probably turn it into how unconstitutionally racist feminism it is by next Tuesday.
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#20 Mar 13 2013 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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The one we purchased from is indeed a corporate owned store and not a franchise, if the little tag by their door is any indication.

The boycott was because John Schnatter whined that he'd have to raise prices 15 cents a pizza because of Obamacare. A few days later he gave away two million pizzas for the NFL.

Huh, Know Your Meme actually has info on it.
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#21gbaji, Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 2:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So let me get this straight. Obama (well, really the interests who actually wrote the thing) proposes a bill which will require businesses to pay more for health care for their employees based on various criteria, one of which is hours worked. Conservatives say this is a bad idea because it'll either mean that the businesses will have to charge more for their goods to pay the extra cost *or* adjust their workers hours to avoid providing the extra pay. The bill gets passed anyway, and now that businesses are responding exactly as they have to instead of it being Obama's fault, it's theirs?
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So let me get this straight.
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#23 Mar 13 2013 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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People that vote to raise their taxes probably aren't going to be bothered by paying 25 cents more for a pizza.
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It doesn't matter who wants to whine about whose "fault" it is, if someone prefers to patronize a business that offers health care to its employees over one that doesn't, the system is working as intended. You should be applauding this, Gbaji.
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#26 Mar 13 2013 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would have paid an extra dollar per pizza if I knew for a fact that the person preparing it could take a sick day and go see a doctor if they had the flu.

The ironic thing is that cutting employee hours as a knee jerk temper tantrum that didn't have an effect under the law, since the total employee hours added up and then divided by forty is what determines the 50-person cut off. So if a regional franchise has twenty full timers and more than forty people working thirty hours a week, they're still at the cut off point for requiring health care, and they have the un-benefit of a broke and/or overworked workforce (since people working under forty hours will often work multiple jobs.)

Olive Garden was the other one who tried cutting worker hours down to under 30 to avoid having to provide healthcare, and the stores that tried it discovered within a month that it didn't work. It cost more to manage more part timers than it did to manage less full timers, even when health care was taken into account, for various reasons. Extra payroll taxes, having to deal with the part timers calling out more frequently, and being more tired and less productive, etc.

Papa John's doesn't make the best pizza, but when they offered 100% whole wheat crusts, they made the healthiest fast food stuff.

These days if we want restaurant pizza, we get Your Pie instead. Smiley: drool Way better pizza, and we're supporting a local business.
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