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#1002 Apr 04 2013 at 8:52 PM Rating: Good
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Like I said.. Nothing in there mentions or hints a trans having issues.

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 1:42am by Almalieque
Biological females with a male gender are called "trans men". The only biological females who would go into the men's bathroom are trans men. You didn't say the men would have a problem with women walking past them. You said the biological females would have a problem walking past the men.

Edited, Apr 4th 2013 7:47pm by Rachel9


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If bathrooms were segregated by gender, then women bathrooms would also have urinals. Women (biological and gender) would not like seeing a biological man using a urinal inside the women's bathroom.


That's like saying if bathrooms were segregated by gender, then women bathrooms would have rollercoasters. It ain't necessarily so!
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I want a rollercoaster in my bathroom now.
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Alma's foolish phraseology aside, none of this changes the fact that the overwhelming percentage of our society doesn't like the idea of people with penises and vaginas using the same restroom facilities at the same time.
So what bathroom should this guy use according to you?
Looks like the kind of person you don't try to talk out of using either bathroom.
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Plenty of men understand and respect women. You and gbaji just don't happen to be two of them.
Excuse me? What have I said in this thread that makes you conclude I don't respect women? I'm sorry, but I really really dislike the "if you don't agree with me, you're a <hater of some group>" argument. It's cheap.

Forum's a lot larger than this thread, sport Smiley: laugh
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Pretty sure only one thread exists at a time Joph.
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#1008 Apr 05 2013 at 6:21 AM Rating: Default
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Having traits typical of one gender does not make you that gender. You have a male gender. You do not have a female gender. You would NOT have the right to use the women's bathroom.


You can't even define the female gender traits, how are you able to say that a person isn't of the female gender? You would have to have a baseline to say whether or not a person is of the female gender. For someone who is fighting for acceptance as a woman, you sure don't like accepting others.
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You can't even define the female gender traits,

Aren't you the one that listed "likes to shop" as a female trait?


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They distract from his laser like focus.
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Aren't you the one that listed "likes to shop" as a female trait?

Also they have trouble with math.
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#1012 Apr 05 2013 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
It's because they aren't as smart.
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#1013Almalieque, Posted: Apr 05 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Have you been in clothing department store? Literally 75+% of the stores are devoted to women. There are men who love to shop and women who don't like to shop, but if you're going to say that more men love to shop than women, you are just lying.
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.... you are just lying.
Take that back!



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That's a pretty narrow definition fo shopping. See many women hanging around the big screen TV's in electronics shops?
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#1016 Apr 05 2013 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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I want a rollercoaster in my bathroom now.
Dunno about a rollercoaster, but maybe something like a funnel and an elaborate series of connected crazy straws.
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Having traits typical of one gender does not make you that gender. You have a male gender. You do not have a female gender. You would NOT have the right to use the women's bathroom.


You can't even define the female gender traits, how are you able to say that a person isn't of the female gender? You would have to have a baseline to say whether or not a person is of the female gender. For someone who is fighting for acceptance as a woman, you sure don't like accepting others.
Well, are you transgender?
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I want a rollercoaster in my bathroom now.
Dunno about a rollercoaster, but maybe something like a funnel and an elaborate series of connected crazy straws.
I'd settle for that.
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Wait, Almalieque is a guy? Huh. Does he know that all names ending with "que" are feminine in most languages, especially french and english?
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Wait, Almalieque is a guy? Huh. Does he know that all names ending with "que" are feminine in most languages, especially french and english?

I came across "Alma" the other day on a list of baby names for girls. It gave me an evil shiver.
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The guys at my office barely leave Newegg long enough to score a coffee. I'd say shopping infects both genders equally.
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Wait, Almalieque is a guy? Huh. Does he know that all names ending with "que" are feminine in most languages, especially french and english?

I came across "Alma" the other day on a list of baby names for girls. It gave me an evil shiver.


IIRC Joph said that F.E.A.R. took on a new and amusing context because of this.
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That's a pretty narrow definition fo shopping. See many women hanging around the big screen TV's in electronics shops?


I made the assumption that retailers cater to their crowd. During the super bowl, commercials had men talking about football, beer and large TVs. Although I've been to electronic markets, the vast majority of malls that I've been to have way more stores and items that cater to women than men.

This isn't an insult at any kind. Go to a formal event, i.e. ball or prom. How many women do you know that will say "I'll just wear what I wore last time!". How many guys do you know that would just pull out the same suit/tux and just change the tie or shirt?
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That's a pretty narrow definition fo shopping. See many women hanging around the big screen TV's in electronics shops?

I hunt for video game deals with the zeal of a *** and the City character buying shoes.

'Cause I'm a total dame.

Not a very good one though since I keep calling it "*** IN the City"...
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Who would have thought a tv series and several movies about bestiality would do so well?
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Wait, Almalieque is a guy? Huh. Does he know that all names ending with "que" are feminine in most languages, especially french and english?

I came across "Alma" the other day on a list of baby names for girls. It gave me an evil shiver.


That is definitely a feminine name. I can say that because I acknowledge that there exist female and male gender names. If you can't acknowledge a difference, then you can't comment because you have no baseline.
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Just say "clothes shopping" and we can move on to the next misunderstanding.
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Almalieque wrote:
That is definitely a feminine name. I can say that because I acknowledge that there exist female and male gender names. If you can't acknowledge a difference, then you can't comment because you have no baseline.

I reserve the right to frequently and arbitrarily redefine my baseline to serve my short term needs.

Honestly I think I've lost track of what we were arguing about. This has something to do with bathrooms right?


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Honestly I think I've lost track of what we were arguing about. This has something to do with bathrooms right?
Close. It's about bathroom rights.
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We have no bathroom rights, it's not in the original constitution.
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It's about bathroom rights.
And Anne Marie Deacon, what about her rights?
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Our towns rules say that Female women get to use the bathrooms on Mon & every other Weds. Male men get to use it on Tues & every other Thur. Male women get to use the bathroom every Friday and the opposite weds and Female men on Sundays and the opposite Thurs.

Bushes are available from sun up to sun down and have no *** or gender limitations.
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The bathrooms are all closed on saturday? Or are they open to everyone?

By the way, alma, i noticed you ignored my question. Any chance i could get an answer?

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 1:28pm by Rachel9
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The bathrooms are all closed on saturday? Or are they open to everyone?

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 1:27pm by Rachel9
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The bathrooms are all closed on saturday? Or are they open to everyone?

By the way, alma, i noticed you ignored my question. Any chance i could get an answer?

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 1:28pm by Rachel9


What question? It wasn't intentional. In any case, you have ignored at least 10 of my questions and entire posts. Hypocrite much?
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What question?
Are you transgender?
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Hypocrite much?
I'm not demanding an answer, i just asked if you could answer it. If you don't want to, then don't.
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No, I was giving an example, not literally referring to me. I know plenty of homosexual men with predominate female gender traits and homosexual women with predominate male gender traits. According to your argument, those homosexual men would be using the womens' bathroom. Since they are men, they would use urinals.
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I see. Well i only asked because you said
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As a human, I posses both male and female traits. Therefore, if the bathroom is segregated by gender, I have the right to use either bathroom.

So, as a cisgender male, you actually would not have the right to use the women's bathroom.
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I know plenty of homosexual men with predominate female gender traits and homosexual women with predominate male gender traits. According to your argument, those homosexual men would be using the womens' bathroom.
No, they would not be.

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 3:33pm by Rachel9
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Since they are men, they would use urinals.


I don't like using urinals, too much splash back.
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Can I just say that "cisgender" is a horrible word? Looks bad, sounds abrasive and reeks of "term developed by advocates trying hard to push it into the mainstream lexicon".

Which, if you're going to do the third, at least make a word that's not aggressively unattractive.

Edit: Yes, I read its origins and the prefix cis-, etc. Still a nasty looking word.

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 2:41pm by Jophiel
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Can I just say that "cisgender" is a horrible word?
No. Bigot.
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Well i guess you can say that. It's still the appropriate word though.
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Eh, only in that someone recently coined it and decided it. It's not as though it's been in common parlance for... well, ever (hence my third point).

It seems the word "gender" is from Middle English which probably helps explain why someone just taping an "appropriate" Latin prefix onto it created a jarring looking word.

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 3:01pm by Jophiel
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We have no bathroom rights, it's not in the original constitution.


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Eh, only in that someone recently coined it and decided it. It's not as though it's been in common parlance for... well, ever (hence my third point).

It seems the word "gender" is from Middle English which probably helps explain why someone just taping an "appropriate" Latin prefix onto it created a jarring looking word.
I can't get past all the organic chemistry. I can only assume someone's gender has been rotated around a double bond or something.
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Eh, only in that someone recently coined it and decided it. It's not as though it's been in common parlance for... well, ever (hence my third point).

It seems the word "gender" is from Middle English which probably helps explain why someone just taping an "appropriate" Latin prefix onto it created a jarring looking word.
It's had a wikipedia page for 11 years! Surely that counts for something!
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Rachel,

If you are unable to explain what the female or male gender is, then you don't have a baseline to judge other people's genders.

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Well i guess you can say that. It's still the appropriate word though.

Based on what standard?

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So, as a cisgender male, you actually would not have the right to use the women's bathroom.


..... IN that scenario, I (or anyone) wouldn't be a cisgender male, but a human biological man with both gender traits. Therefore, I (or anyone) could use either bathroom (if bathrooms were based off of gender)

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No, they would not be.


If the woman's bathroom were based off of gender, then any person with a female gender would be able to use it.
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Eh, only in that someone recently coined it and decided it. It's not as though it's been in common parlance for... well, ever (hence my third point).

It seems the word "gender" is from Middle English which probably helps explain why someone just taping an "appropriate" Latin prefix onto it created a jarring looking word.

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 3:01pm by Jophiel


Agreed on all counts. It's actually of mild import, because if the word looks or sounds "off", it has less of a chance of being picked up with any regularity.
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If you are unable to explain what the female or male gender is, then you don't have a baseline to judge other people's genders.
Just like i can't judge what tastes good, because i can't explain why something tastes good or bad?
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The standard.
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..... IN that scenario, I (or anyone) wouldn't be a cisgender male, but a human biological man with both gender traits. Therefore, I (or anyone) could use either bathroom (if bathrooms were based off of gender)
But you are a cisgender man. Having a few "gender traits" of the opposite gender doesn't make you trans. If you don't answer "yes" to the question "are you a woman (and not a man)?", then you can't use the women's bathroom. And if you do, then you can't use the men's bathroom.
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If the woman's bathroom were based off of gender, then any person with a female gender would be able to use it.
Correct, all women, trans or cis would be able to. That includes exactly zero homosexual men (if they were trans, they would just be heterosexual women).

Edited, Apr 5th 2013 4:30pm by Rachel9
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