If I was giving you all a tour of an Independent Art College, I can tell which of you would never allow your child to attend, by the way you have responded to this thread. I pray gbaji and Alma never have a child with artistic talent, for they would freak out when I walk them into the life drawing class.
Can't speak for Alma, but that you're making a gross (and false) assumption. I'm just curious how being aware of and sensitive to how other people feel about issues like having to share restrooms with people of another **** somehow equates to me being unwilling to allow someone to choose to be a model in a life drawing class (or choose to take the course). That's just a bizarre leap to make IMO.
Look. We have separate male and female restrooms in our society. We can debate endlessly about whether we should, but all I'm doing here is recognizing that we do, and that we do because a large percentage of our population prefers it that way. It's not about what I like or don't like. It's about recognizing how things are, and the likely reasons why they are the way they are, and then explaining to someone who insists that it should be some other way that they're going to have problems convincing the rest of society to go along with their ideas.
And yes, I'm also pointing out to that person (and others) that just because they think their way is better does not mean that most of the rest of the society around them will agree with them. And simply labeling people as mean or evil or bigoted or whatever because they don't agree with you is pretty darned immature and unproductive. As I've stated repeatedly, a transgendered person's discomfort using the "wrong" restroom from their perspective is no more legitimate or important then someone else's discomfort with the transgendered person using the "wrong" restroom. Both are basically one person's own hangups. But they are incompatible hangups, and there are are a lot more people with one than the other.
I'm just aware of that, while some people seem to think there's some absolute moral right or wrong to this issue. There isn't.
Also I suggest you never go camping where the cabins have co-ed bathrooms with toilet and shower stalls, so to prevent anyone from seeing your personal equipment. Who knows who may have X-ray vision.
Again, I have no clue what you think this means within the context of this conversation. It's not about my comfort. It's about being aware of what makes other people uncomfortable. Ask 1000 parents if they'd be ok with their kid's school having co-ed bathrooms, and somewhat close to 999 of them will say they would not be. And that's what you're dealing with here. Right or wrong, that's what they want (or don't want) and they "win". End of story. Edited, Mar 28th 2013 8:07pm by gbaji