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I'd respond to this, but it occurs to me, i have no way to know what even a single word you said means, so maybe it doesn't really mean what i think it does.

You probably didn't understand any of that, for the same reason...

Edited, Mar 17th 2013 5:04pm by Rachel9

It's not a real Alma thread until he's overextended himself to the point that he's questioning the very notion of "definitions".

Are you claiming that definitions aren't important in arguments?

I shudder to think what would happen if we brought all those Asian/Polynesian traditional cultures that have three defined genders in them, or heavens above, the nation that has five. Someone google that for me, I'm going back to bed, perchance to dream, or read, or wonder over all the ******* in the world.

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Edited, Mar 17th 2013 8:42pm by Rachel9

The authority that decides who is a citizen is the government.

There is no authority that can decide what "fork", "rock", "girl", or "definition" means. They mean whatever they are understood by english speakers to mean.

You keep saying this, but i have no idea what you mean.

That isn't how languages work. There is no authority that can decide the meaning of words. That doesn't mean anyone can just decide to redefine a word. It means a word means whatever the speakers of the language use it to mean.

Edited, Mar 17th 2013 10:06pm by Rachel9

Ya, I have to remember to quote the whole thing so you can't go back and edit it and make yourself NOT look like a dumbass. My bad.

Because what if she sees his wiener in the shower?! it could fall off.

Not ever having killed myself I can only surmise, but I'd think it takes some courage to off yourself.

But it takes a really big man to call the imperfect human 'trash'.

Why does it even matter? The only argument, as I saw it, was whether or not it's a good idea to let any biologically male human have open access to use the facilities reserved for biologically female humans. I could care less who feels they are what inside - what I care about is the safety of the population at large. That's not to say I feel trans are the danger - don't misunderstand.

The danger is in allowing a precedent to be set that anyone can say they are anything and be allowed immediate and open access to areas they shouldn't have access to. I don't get access to the vault at a casino in vegas just because I say I'm the most important person in the world. Neither should any biologically male human get open and unquestioned access to the ladies' room just because he says he feels female inside. There's no way for the population at large to quantify that or know whether or not he's being truthful or is just an opportunistic predator.

I'm sorry that trans have a hard life. I agree that should change. I'm part of the LGBT community too and my life was just as hard - it sucked. I've been subject to some of the most awful violence known to humankind because of it, so I understand your plight as well as anyone can, Rachel. Sometimes, though, you have to look beyond your bubble and think about consequences that might result from your little "victory". Sure, you get to use the ladies room with your *****. So does everyone else, and now we have five or six more reported sexual assaults a month because predators have easy, unquestioned access to a private area where there are no cameras.

It's just not worth it.

Like "The ones with the ***** go in the men's room and the ones with no ***** go in the ladies' room"? Because that's the primary bathroom etiquette rule around these parts. Great if everyone down there has moved beyond such things or whatever but generally, around these parts, the whole ***** thing is the first thing you categorize someone on when they're in the restroom with you. You know, before wondering if they're standing the proper number of urinals away from you or using too many paper towels.

Which is why I argued before regarding both owner protections and patron protections for restroom use. Because whatever Pollyanna dreams we may all hold for a future where no one cares... people care.