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#27 Mar 08 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Haven't heard of the controversy at all, nor the video poster. The topic, however, came up in a discussion I was reading about the final single-player Mass Effect 3 DLC released three days ago. Some feminists were OUTRAGED that as part of a mission, their female character had to wear a dress to go undercover. "A dress!?" They cried, "How sexist! My Shepard is an ***-kicking biotic who takes crap from no one! How DARE they make her wear a dress! Does this mean even in 200 years woman are pigeon-holed into sexist clothing?"

I read the comments with astonishment. Not only is the mission about being undercover, Fem-Shepard even snidely remarks on how dumb it is to wear a dress, but she does so for the sake of the mission. If you play a Renegade Shepard that's pretty much her entire persona: snark, but does whatever it takes for the mission. Is this really what you're getting offended about? There's sexism in games, no doubt. But sometimes I feel like folks just want to be offended. The reverse of that situation was when heterosexual men were freaking out that in ME3, a male Shepard has several *** pairings possible, and they felt like it was forcing homosexuality into their game. What the **** folks, calm down. Don't want a *** Shepard? Romance one of the females. Sheesh.

TL;DR While there is some legitimate cause for concern, a lot of times people are looking to be offended and get off on getting angry.
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#28 Mar 08 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Have there been games you really wanted to play but didn't because of over-the-top sexism?

Samira's just waiting for the chance to catch the DoA Beach Volleyball wave.
Lol, I would have never believed this to be a real game.
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#29 Mar 08 2013 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
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Can't the same kinds of things be said for male game characters? I bet with ten minutes of effort I could come up with a long list of male character arch types and pretend to be equally offended.
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I bet with ten minutes of effort I could come up with a long list of male character arch types and pretend to be equally offended.
Because you'll never measure up?


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#31 Mar 08 2013 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Like Bayonetta.

The glasses are so unrealistic. They'd never stay on without a nerd strap.
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#32 Mar 08 2013 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Can't the same kinds of things be said for male game characters? I bet with ten minutes of effort I could come up with a long list of male character arch types and pretend to be equally offended.

Howcumzit Brick has to be the melee/explosives guy, huh? Or how come Heavy has to carry a minigun? Just cause he's the big guy? Why can't a giant strong guy be the sniper?

/offended Smiley: glare
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Can't the same kinds of things be said for male game characters? I bet with ten minutes of effort I could come up with a long list of male character arch types and pretend to be equally offended.
Sure you could, but you wouldn't exactly be arguing against her. Characters, both male and female, are typically designed around male fantasies, be it sexual with regards to female characters, or power with regards to male characters. Those big Hulkamania characters aren't designed to appeal to women.
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Or how come Heavy has to carry a minigun? Just cause he's the big guy?
Heavy should have clearly been a woman, since miniguns are manufactured by the same people that make kitchen appliances, General Electrics.
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Or how come Heavy has to carry a minigun? Just cause he's the big guy?
Heavy should have clearly been a woman, since miniguns are manufactured by the same people that make kitchen appliances, General Electrics.
Plus, sandvich.
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You don't like stronk Russian woman?

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Also, I suggest including "TF2" in your image search if you are going to query "female heavy". Smiley: lol
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You don't like stronk Russian woman?


I prefer these ones:

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#39 Mar 08 2013 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Plus, sandvich.

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This is a quote by a state governor made last month...
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We, the men in this room, need to stand up and shout loud and clear, that we are going to protect our women and children.

Video Games got nothin' on Real Life when it comes to stereotyping gender roles.

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Yes I know she's Dutch, and no I don't have a thing for smokers.
I dont' believe it. Bill let slip the cigar secret.




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Sure you could, but you wouldn't exactly be arguing against her. Characters, both male and female, are typically designed around male fantasies, be it sexual with regards to female characters, or power with regards to male characters. Those big Hulkamania characters aren't designed to appeal to women.

I'd say there's an equal argument that characters are often designed around archetypes and stereotypes because it's a game and time spent in character development isn't necessarily time spent in entertaining game play. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but not every game sets out to be a study in the psyche of the human soul. Big guy, Big gun -- that immediately sets up all you need to know. Let's go shoot shit.
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#42 Mar 08 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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I don't buy into the whole 'objectifying' thing. That's simply a construct. Sure Peach is viewed as an object to Bowzer, a means to an end, - but that's why he's the bad guy. She's not treated like an object by Mario or Luigi. Also she's a formidable opponent - my pick in Mario Racing every time. I don't see a problem with her being taken captive and the Bros' going after her. That's what fantasy gaming is all about. Link is not simply saving Zelda, he's saving Hyrule. Sure the game wouldn't be the game with the link - zelda relationship, but what's so out of whack about it? Do young men not fall for pretty young girls iRL? (young men are still far and away the major demographic in combat gaming)


I can't see it there either. Mario Bros. doesn't seem anymore offensive than any run-of-the-mill Disney movie that my daughters watch; of course that doesn't stop people from complaining about those either I suppose.

I'll buy the whole plate-metal-thong thing if someone wants to go that route, but sometimes that feels more comical than anything else really.
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I'll buy the whole plate-metal-thong thing if someone wants to go that route, but sometimes that feels more comical than anything else really.
It's made out of lead and protecting the v-jay from radiation.

Ya know when I first started playing Warhammer i had a real issue with the Witch Elf model. She wears a thong, a bra, some **** boots and a couple nasty knives. I figured I'd just steer clear of the class - melee isn't really my bailiwick anyways. Eventually however I rolled on all the dps classes. I fell in love with watching the WE fight - her outfit only added to the illusion. I have more sceenshots of her than even my main characters.

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#44 Mar 08 2013 at 11:33 AM Rating: Default
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TL;DR While there is some legitimate cause for concern, a lot of times people are looking to be offended and get off on getting angry.

This is feminism in a nutshell as far as I can tell.
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someproteinguy wrote:
I'll buy the whole plate-metal-thong thing if someone wants to go that route, but sometimes that feels more comical than anything else really.


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TL;DR While there is some legitimate cause for concern, a lot of times people are looking to be offended and get off on getting angry.

This is feminism in a nutshell as far as I can tell.
Feminism in video games is one thing. Feminism in life is all together another matter.

If I speak up because I get paid less than my male counterpart am I just a feminist **** looking to be offended?

If my daughter isn't given the same level of instruction as my son in science and math classes, should i just wave it off?

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If my daughter isn't given the same level of instruction as my son in science and math classes, should i just wave it off?
Yes. Your daughter is probably smarter than your son and doesn't need as much instruction.
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If my daughter isn't given the same level of instruction as my son in science and math classes, should i just wave it off?
Yes. Your daughter is probably smarter than your son and doesn't need as much instruction.


Or your daughter figures she can just ***** her way to a diploma.




I have no idea how old your daughter is by the way, so please don't hate me for the example.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
I'll buy the whole plate-metal-thong thing if someone wants to go that route, but sometimes that feels more comical than anything else really.


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Those women aren't the warriors, they're the entertainment.

Like I said before, I'll buy that. I'm having a party tonight, how much for 3 hours?
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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When all else is equal and my daughter isn't given the same level of instruction as my son in science and math classes, should i just wave it off?
Yes. Your daughter is probably smarter than your son and doesn't need as much instruction.
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I can't see it there either. Mario Bros. doesn't seem anymore offensive than any run-of-the-mill Disney movie that my daughters watch

Good example, what could possibly be offensive about ::Open Credits...Orphaned Girl is sad and put into peril then rescued by rich man she falls instantly in love with...7 mediocre show tunes...ethic stereotype animal...Close Credits::

Edited, Mar 8th 2013 12:56pm by Smasharoo
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