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#52 Mar 06 2013 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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But felons *are* productive members of society while incarcerated. They're providing jobs, and revenue for the for-profit prison industry.


And making license plates.

(Do they still do that in prison...?)
Our prisoners have a nice woodworking shop. They make foot stools, chairs, chests, clocks, etc. Their products are actually in good demand as they're quality handmade wood items that don't cost much.



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#53 Mar 06 2013 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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I had, that's why I was against your Concrete Slab Playground idea.
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#54 Mar 06 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Our prisoners have a nice woodworking shop. They make foot stools, chairs, chests, clocks, etc. Their products are actually in good demand as they're quality handmade wood items that don't cost much.

Nothing rehabilitates like slave labor.
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#55 Mar 06 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Our prisoners have a nice woodworking shop. They make foot stools, chairs, chests, clocks, etc. Their products are actually in good demand as they're quality handmade wood items that don't cost much.

Nothing rehabilitates like slave labor.

They're learning a useless trade.

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#56 Mar 06 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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It's useful to the company that owns the prison though.
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#57 Mar 06 2013 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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with a huge amount of diverse life experience

Coming from a middle to upper class white guy in his middle age years, this statement is almost never accurate.

Almost. In my case, it's deadly accurate.

But does it include plebian?
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#58 Mar 06 2013 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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Our prisoners have a nice woodworking shop. They make foot stools, chairs, chests, clocks, etc. Their products are actually in good demand as they're quality handmade wood items that don't cost much.

Nothing rehabilitates like slave labor.

They're learning a useless trade.


They've already learned a useful skills like shooting people, using gov't resources, ruining infrastructure, and a persistent inability to reintegrate with society.

That's why I recommended a work for welfare program in the trade they've been preparing for; the army.
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#59 Mar 06 2013 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
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Our prisoners have a nice woodworking shop. They make foot stools, chairs, chests, clocks, etc. Their products are actually in good demand as they're quality handmade wood items that don't cost much.

Nothing rehabilitates like slave labor.

They're learning a useless trade.


They've already learned a useful skills like shooting people, using gov't resources, ruining infrastructure, and a persistent inability to reintegrate with society.

That's why I recommended a work for welfare program in the trade they've been preparing for; the army.

Giving our felons war toys might look bad to the neighbors.
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#60 Mar 06 2013 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Since when did you guys care about your neighbours?
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#61 Mar 06 2013 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Since when did you guys care about your neighbours?
Since it's bad form to shoot at them? On your side anyway.
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#62 Mar 06 2013 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
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So..for those who think felons (past their parole) should not be able to vote:

No income taxes, right?

Because taxation without representation is reprehensible.......right?
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#63 Mar 07 2013 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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Depends if I can get out of paying income tax if the people I voted for don't win.
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#64 Mar 07 2013 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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That's not what representation is.
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#65 Mar 07 2013 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Felon A isn't the same as Felon B either, but no one feels the need to get into specifics so why should I?
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#66 Mar 07 2013 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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With that moron Paul Broun as my representative, the Feds ought to be paying me to put up with him.
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#67 Mar 07 2013 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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They've already learned a useful skills like shooting people, using gov't resources, ruining infrastructure, and a persistent inability to reintegrate with society.

That's why I recommended a work for welfare program in the trade they've been preparing for; the army.


Good points, but I don't think the average criminal is a big enough coward to be in the army.
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#68Palpitus1, Posted: Mar 12 2013 at 4:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Voting should be THE most important right (not a priviledge). Every single human citizen, ages 0-130, whether felon or not, should be able to vote. Anything less is not a real democracy.
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#69 Mar 12 2013 at 4:48 AM Rating: Default
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Friar Bijou wrote:
So..for those who think felons (past their parole) should not be able to vote:

No income taxes, right?

Because taxation without representation is reprehensible.......right?


I don't know who you're being sarcastic towards; but yes. And humans at any age can earn enough to be taxed. Even 13-year olds in summer + weekend jobs plus a paper route may have to file taxes.

The other or rather newer voting rights revolution is of course related to being in combat. Voting age was lowered to 18 since 18-year olds could be conscripted without their consent.

And of course, the logic still didn't make any sense, since an 18-year old would've had to been 12 years old at the theoretical least to vote for (or against) the Senator who would eventually conscript them. It's not like 18-year olds during Vietnam suddenly could vote anew for Congressman who'd won their seats 1-6 years ago. So they had no say at all with their voting on how their lives might be wasted.

All age-based laws are, of course, utterly lazy and ridiculous and discriminatory. But even within the narrow justification of the above, the justifications are inept.
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