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I've heard of limitations on how much cash you can withdraw, I think mine is 350. The only time it was ever an issue was when I was in Vegas, and that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

Well, no. You just use the card then to buy jewelry from the casino gift shop and pawn it to finance the gambling. You'll make it all back once you hit big.
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Weird, I've never heard of a daily spending limit.


On a debit card? Sure. It's common, and it's designed (in theory) to prevent someone who steals the number from just draining the account before you can figure out what's going on. I think my debit card is limited to $1.5k. That's plenty for normal purchases, but there are things that this can not be enough for. It's pretty simple to just write a check for those higher amounts (easier than calling and getting your debit limit increased at least).

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I've heard of limitations on how much cash you can withdraw, I think mine is 350.


Yeah. That's pretty standard for ATM cards, and for pretty much the same reason.
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I read the article and it was somewhat confusing. While they had identified other real problems leading to loss of business, none of them seemed to cause the breakdown in the restocking chain. Has there been a massive upsurge in successful shoplifting? If items are shoplifted they won't show up as needing to be ordered and restocked.


Having worked there for several years, I can say that is actually very likely. One of Walmart's major problems is their experimentation with "self-checkout" machines. I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage. Despite this, they continue to not only use them, but replace real registers with more rows of self-checkout machines.

Not only that, but Wal-Mart is too cheap to hire any real sort of security. I use to work overnight in electronics, and when someone decided they wanted to load a shopping cart full of computers and expensive large-screen TVs and walk out broken fire escape door with it, there was nothing we could do about it.

Our store was also frequently victim to "puddle-jumpers." Opportunists who would enter the store looking for an object or wet spot on the floor so they could "slip" on it. This was an almost daily occurrence. Wal-Mart would opt to pay out a settlement every time instead of paying a lawyer to fight it. I'm not sure exactly how much these people made doing this, but I've heard it is somewhere in the tens of thousands per "accident" range.

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Not only that, but Wal-Mart is too cheap to hire any real sort of security. I use to work overnight in electronics, and when someone decided they wanted to load a shopping cart full of computers and expensive large-screen TVs and walk out broken fire escape door with it, there was nothing we could do about it.
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Having worked there for several years, I can say that is actually very likely. One of Walmart's major problems is their experimentation with "self-checkout" machines. I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage. Despite this, they continue to not only use them, but replace real registers with more rows of self-checkout machines.


Expect to see more of it. It saves billions. Your anecdotal story is lovely, but lacks the counter-factual data about shrinkage from human cashier error, which is MASSIVE. The machines are going to get better at finding it, the people, well, aren't. So the choice for retailers is to either continue hiring cashiers, in general a high turnover, low skill, low enthusiasm population who steal things, sure, form unions, etc, and work 40 hours per week....or....buy a robot that can work 24 hours a day forever with minimal maintenance and will continue become more sophisticated and cheaper and progressively better at it's job. Eventually, NFC and RFID being what they already are, it'll be commonplace to walk into a walmart, fill a cart, then walk through an automated cashier, press "ok" and leave in about 4 seconds.

There is the downside that my wife won't spend 20 minutes talking to the human cashier and learn about how hard it is for her to pay for her kids braces, or whatever it is those people talk to her about. It'll be a shame to see that crazy ******** go away, but there will probably be more homeless people to walk across streets in traffic to have a conversation with her.
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Having worked there for several years, I can say that is actually very likely. One of Walmart's major problems is their experimentation with "self-checkout" machines. I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage. Despite this, they continue to not only use them, but replace real registers with more rows of self-checkout machines.


Expect to see more of it. It saves billions. Your anecdotal story is lovely, but lacks the counter-factual data about shrinkage from human cashier error, which is MASSIVE. The machines are going to get better at finding it, the people, well, aren't. So the choice for retailers is to either continue hiring cashiers, in general a high turnover, low skill, low enthusiasm population who steal things, sure, form unions, etc, and work 40 hours per week....or....buy a robot that can work 24 hours a day forever with minimal maintenance and will continue become more sophisticated and cheaper and progressively better at it's job. Eventually, NFC and RFID being what they already are, it'll be commonplace to walk into a walmart, fill a cart, then walk through an automated cashier, press "ok" and leave in about 4 seconds.

There is the downside that my wife won't spend 20 minutes talking to the human cashier and learn about how hard it is for her to pay for her kids braces, or whatever it is those people talk to her about. It'll be a shame to see that crazy bullsh*t go away, but there will probably be more homeless people to walk across streets in traffic to have a conversation with her.


I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.
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I'd like to be able to buy as I shop, or at least keep a running total. When I reach my dollar limit, or the have covered all the aisles or my reusable bags are full, I just touch the 'checkout' button on whatever device I'm using, touch the confirmation button and lastly touch the 'approve' button' then leave the store.

I also want to be able to simply 'save' to my own device the recipes that some marketer used to sell me their product. Likewise clothing labels and care instructions manuals, warranties etc etc.

I think it would be really awesome if my shopping device would also tell me upon scanning an item, where each piece of it was manufactured, by who it was made, what practices were used in it's creation, etc etc.
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I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

I don't spend a great deal of time in Walmart, it's true. However, let's stipulate what you say is entirely accurate. What's your theory as to why they would continue to purchase and use the machines? Stupidity? The world's largest retailer just likes to lose money and can't do an elementary cost benefit analysis?

Edited, Mar 6th 2013 11:23am by Smasharoo
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I'd like to be able to buy as I shop, or at least keep a running total. When I reach my dollar limit, or the have covered all the aisles or my reusable bags are full, I just touch the 'checkout' button on whatever device I'm using, touch the confirmation button and lastly touch the 'approve' button' then leave the store.

That's really not that far away.


I also want to be able to simply 'save' to my own device the recipes that some marketer used to sell me their product. Likewise clothing labels and care instructions manuals, warranties etc etc.


Probably that too.


I think it would be really awesome if my shopping device would also tell me upon scanning an item, where each piece of it was manufactured, by who it was made, what practices were used in it's creation, etc etc.


No one makes any money at that, so probably never.
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Smasharoo wrote:

Having worked there for several years, I can say that is actually very likely. One of Walmart's major problems is their experimentation with "self-checkout" machines. I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage. Despite this, they continue to not only use them, but replace real registers with more rows of self-checkout machines.


Expect to see more of it. It saves billions. Your anecdotal story is lovely, but lacks the counter-factual data about shrinkage from human cashier error, which is MASSIVE. The machines are going to get better at finding it, the people, well, aren't. So the choice for retailers is to either continue hiring cashiers, in general a high turnover, low skill, low enthusiasm population who steal things, sure, form unions, etc, and work 40 hours per week....or....buy a robot that can work 24 hours a day forever with minimal maintenance and will continue become more sophisticated and cheaper and progressively better at it's job. Eventually, NFC and RFID being what they already are, it'll be commonplace to walk into a walmart, fill a cart, then walk through an automated cashier, press "ok" and leave in about 4 seconds.

There is the downside that my wife won't spend 20 minutes talking to the human cashier and learn about how hard it is for her to pay for her kids braces, or whatever it is those people talk to her about. It'll be a shame to see that crazy bullsh*t go away, but there will probably be more homeless people to walk across streets in traffic to have a conversation with her.


I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

Sure they have. Maybe not at Walmart but technology has certainly improved and will continue to. Go shop in Bejing and see how automated it is. Cashier will soon be as rare as 'bag boys' currently are.
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I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

I don't spend a great deal of time in Walmart, it's true. However, let's stipulate what you say is entirely accurate. What's your theory as to why they would continue to purchase and use the machines? Stupidity? The world's largest retailer just likes to lose money and can't do an elementary cost benefit analysis?

Edited, Mar 6th 2013 11:23am by Smasharoo



Stupidity. Yes. It is actually Wal-Mart policy to shoot themselves in the foot if it means cutting out those loathsome sub-human leeches they call "associates." I have worked at 4 different locations and they are all the same. They are constantly looking for new ways reduce the number of people working there, and the hours of those who remain-- even if it means lines of customers that wrap around entire store, and shelves not being stocked while merchandise stacked on pallets in the receiving warehouse area, well out of reach of paying customers. Their solution is to make a handful of suckers who are afraid to lose their jobs pick up the slack for all the people they aren't replacing.

Revisiting my old store in Palm Bay, I talked to one of my old coworkers, who is now "department manager" of 12 different departments. When I worked there, there was ONE department manager per each department, given it wasn't an especially small area, they *might* have covered two or three. Things started sliding downhill back in 2006, and have not stopped since.

Its not so much that Wal-mart is stupid. They are greedy. They want to have everything their way. If they are losing money, they will blame their workers. The turn-over rate is ridiculous. If they aren't happy with the performance of one associate, they will keep firing and rehiring until they find someone who is willing and able to cover the workload of a dozen people. They do not seem to care if they lose money when it turns out they cannot find enough of this kind of person.
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The grocery stores around here all have self-checkout. All the different stores seem to use the same manufacturer for the machines, and they work pretty well. My biggest wish: add an ID-scanner so I don't have to wait for the one employee that's over 21 to buy alcohol.

I often buy just 1-2 bags of food at a time, so I'll just use that instead because it's faster and I don't particularly enjoy talking to the cashier. Also, you can buy embarrassing items without anxiety. Smiley: thumbsup

It's easy enough for people to cheat and ring up expensive items as "bananas" ($0.64/lb), but the stores apparently profit enough anyway since they're still around. Sometimes I feel a little guilty about bypassing a cashier with an empty line to self-checkout, but so it goes. It's not the first nor last job to be replaced by a machine. Someone else will get a job manufacturing the things (although in China, I guess).
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The turn-over rate is ridiculous. If they aren't happy with the performance of one associate, they will keep firing and rehiring until they find someone who is willing and able to cover the workload of a dozen people.

That's not just Walmart, that's every minimum wage retail job.
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Smasharoo wrote:
I'd like to be able to buy as I shop, or at least keep a running total. When I reach my dollar limit, or the have covered all the aisles or my reusable bags are full, I just touch the 'checkout' button on whatever device I'm using, touch the confirmation button and lastly touch the 'approve' button' then leave the store.

That's really not that far away.

That's how our Stop&Shop grocery stores work. Get a scanner gun, scan in your personalized store card, then scan items as you go. Keeps a running total, shows you discounts and coupons. Then you scan the register with your gun, pay with your card, and leave. 'Paying' the scanning gun with a NFC device is just the next step, eliminating the register altogether. Sucks, though, all those Downs folks will be losing their bagging jobs - they've already lost the WallyWorld greeter jobs.

And for those not using the gun, or a manned register, the self-scanners are indeed getting better - as long as they're maintained reguarly. Hard to scan barcodes when the scanning surface is covered with dried yogurt from some leaky cup.

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I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

Sure they have. Maybe not at Walmart but technology has certainly improved and will continue to. Go shop in Bejing and see how automated it is. Cashier will soon be as rare as 'bag boys' currently are.


Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused and tell me to place my item in the bag, or remove it, or some other random shuffle of ingredients so that it is somehow satisifed that the item is being accounted for.

I know where the technology can be, but until these places stop using underpowered hardware with software from the lowest possible bidder, the experience will continue to be lackluster at best. Given the inability for these machines to keep up with an average checkout process without getting confused, I can't see how they can possibly be saving money (in the current state) other than anecdotally ("Well at least we're not paying salary and benefits to a cashier...").

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Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.
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Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.


In the future, there will likely be no other choice. This is what happens when "innovation and technology" meets the mediocrity of retail penny-pinchery.
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Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.


In the future, there will likely be no other choice. This is what happens when "innovation and technology" meets the mediocrity of retail penny-pinchery.
Not surprised, but you missed the point.
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Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.


In the future, there will likely be no other choice. This is what happens when "innovation and technology" meets the mediocrity of retail penny-pinchery.

There will always be greedy corporations. You can certainly surmise that they don't get greedy until innovation and technology provide them an easy path to their greed, but I wouldn't agree.

There are some things that automation is simply better for. I would suggest that adding up prices and counting money is one of them. Throughout my lifetime I've caught lots of mistakes during my purchase of goods. Probably half the time the error benefited me, but it's an error none-the-less. And I'm sure there are many more that I didn't catch.

Better than speculating that Walmart's greed coupled with innovation is putting more poor bastards back onto the street is to simply give your business to someone else who might, in turn, give those same poor souls a decent job. Personally I don't shop at Walmart. Dunkin Donuts and Old Navy are a couple other companies I don't do business with. I think Bed, Bath and Beyond is going to get added to my list - just cuz they scarred my baby. I realize it makes no difference that one lowly little person doesn't buy their stuff, but still - I can complain about the companies without being a hypocrite.
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Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.


In the future, there will likely be no other choice. This is what happens when "innovation and technology" meets the mediocrity of retail penny-pinchery.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Well in my experience at the local big name grocer, lowes, and a few other places, the machines they use are underpowered recycled 10 year old computer hardware that can barely handle a simultaneous scan and bag placement. ****, it often takes multiple seconds for these things to register the fact that I've scanned an item or pressed the debit button. I can't tell you the number of times I've scanned an item and placed it into the weighted bag holder only to have the machine get confused

I can't tell you how much it undermines arguments that they should improve them that you keep going back to an experience you find lacking.


In the future, there will likely be no other choice. This is what happens when "innovation and technology" meets the mediocrity of retail penny-pinchery.
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When's the last time you were in a Lowes at 10:00AM? Around here, they don't even have any cashiers on staff most of the day, just those stupidvisors who are supposed to assist when the machines don't work.

That begs the question - if you have to hire people to babysit the machines, why have the machines in the first place?
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That begs the question - if you have to hire people to babysit the machines, why have the machines in the first place?


Because... one employee can babysit a group of 12 self checkouts?

That's what they do at local shops here... I don't know about yours. There is one master desk that appears to get reports from the other self checkouts, and that is where the one person monitoring things stands.
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When's the last time you were in a Lowes at 10:00AM? Around here, they don't even have any cashiers on staff most of the day, just those stupidvisors who are supposed to assist when the machines don't work.

Even if there were any Mexican day laborers left in the parking lot to pick up by 10am, d'you think Smash really even goes into the store himself? Sheesh...
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Having worked there for several years, I can say that is actually very likely. One of Walmart's major problems is their experimentation with "self-checkout" machines. I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage. Despite this, they continue to not only use them, but replace real registers with more rows of self-checkout machines.


Expect to see more of it. It saves billions. Your anecdotal story is lovely, but lacks the counter-factual data about shrinkage from human cashier error, which is MASSIVE. The machines are going to get better at finding it, the people, well, aren't. So the choice for retailers is to either continue hiring cashiers, in general a high turnover, low skill, low enthusiasm population who steal things, sure, form unions, etc, and work 40 hours per week....or....buy a robot that can work 24 hours a day forever with minimal maintenance and will continue become more sophisticated and cheaper and progressively better at it's job. Eventually, NFC and RFID being what they already are, it'll be commonplace to walk into a walmart, fill a cart, then walk through an automated cashier, press "ok" and leave in about 4 seconds.

There is the downside that my wife won't spend 20 minutes talking to the human cashier and learn about how hard it is for her to pay for her kids braces, or whatever it is those people talk to her about. It'll be a shame to see that crazy bullsh*t go away, but there will probably be more homeless people to walk across streets in traffic to have a conversation with her.


I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

If you're using the ones in Wal-Mart, yeah - they blow. Use the ones in Kroger and they're great. I will wait for a self-checkout in Kroger before I'll wait for a cashier.
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The scanners at my old S&S were horrible, but when the new store opened up across the street the scanners were...well, somewhat better working.
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I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

I don't spend a great deal of time in Walmart, it's true. However, let's stipulate what you say is entirely accurate. What's your theory as to why they would continue to purchase and use the machines? Stupidity? The world's largest retailer just likes to lose money and can't do an elementary cost benefit analysis?

Smash. I can't believe you just said that.

Twenty years of adult experience has taught me that most corporations will constantly make decisions that will gain them $1 million now and lose them $2 million a year and every year hereafter.

Why they stay in business, and even continue to improve profits for a while, despite all these idiotic short-term decisions, is a long elaborate discussion I don't have the energy for. But it doesn't surprise me that a @#%^ton of businesses go bankrupt/lose profits over years and years while the GFC works its way through the system. The GFC and its repurcussions have taken away a lot of the props and dubious/unsavoury compensationary measurements for entrenched corporate idiocy.

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I had a manager say to us once that our store lost $1.4 million in customers "under ringing" themselves that year. $1.4 million in one year is enough to pay hundreds of real cashiers their sh*tty minimum wage.
Your anecdotal story is lovely, but lacks the counter-factual data about shrinkage from human cashier error, which is MASSIVE. The machines are going to get better at finding it, the people, well, aren't.

I (I !) find your faith in humanity and the extent of the deleterious effects of the US welfare system to be touchingly naive. Against your human cashier error, which I will well believe is MASSIVE, I pit human greed/desperation and the ingenuity and lengths most of us will go to when left with what is in practise an honour system of choosing to pay for all your goods or not.
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I get the feeling you haven't seen just how crappy and useless the machines are, and how they've not improved in any way, shape or form at all over the years they have been in use.

I don't spend a great deal of time in Walmart, it's true. However, let's stipulate what you say is entirely accurate. What's your theory as to why they would continue to purchase and use the machines? Stupidity? The world's largest retailer just likes to lose money and can't do an elementary cost benefit analysis?

Smash. I can't believe you just said that.

Twenty years of adult experience has taught me that most corporations will constantly make decisions that will gain them $1 million now and lose them $2 million a year and every year hereafter.

Why they stay in business, and even continue to improve profits for a while, despite all these idiotic short-term decisions, is a long elaborate discussion I don't have the energy for. But it doesn't surprise me that a @#%^ton of businesses go bankrupt/lose profits over years and years while the GFC works its way through the system. The GFC and its repurcussions have taken away a lot of the props and dubious/unsavoury compensationary measurements for entrenched corporate idiocy.

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Typically those 'poor decisions' are good decisions for the decider. It means the ownership doesn't know how to manage. The Waltons tend to know basic management.
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I think my bank account costs a massive €7.50 a year or so...


Mine costs at least that every month -.-
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I don't bank with a credit union and only have to have a minimum of $250 deposited a month. No minimum to maintain either. Not sure on checks as I got one book and only used it to get direct deposit started at work and another blank check for refund.

Wally World only gets my money for my meds. I am diabetic and a single vial of insulin is $85. At Walmart the generic is $25. I worked there 9~ years ago. When I got my one year review, the manager made a mistake and so I would have gotten 4 cents more then what I was given by HR. When I asked about it he told me if I signed for $8.11 an hr then I would be paid. A few days later he was no longer employeed with us. I never saw my 4 cents. I was not worried bout it but thats ****** up practice.
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I have a no frills checking account and a no frills savings account with Wells Fargo. I have no minimum balance for my checking, but I need to keep $300 in my savings or else they charge me a $5/month fee. I have a debit card and overdraft protection. If I need new checks, I have to purchase them.

It works out pretty well. My savings dropped under the minimum balance when I paid my tuition last December, and so I had to eat a $5 fine. Oh well.

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Yeah I stopped banking with Wachovia years ago. I rarely have more then 100 in my checking by next pay period. I got bills and debt I am paying don't want or need to lose even $5 for you to maintain an account that gets $2000~ a month deposited.

When I closed my last account I had problems with a company kept hitting me up for random amounts. Asked them to freeze it so nothing came out and my next paycheck would cover what was owed. Was told they could not do that cause there was a negative balance. Wonder how long they kept it open until they figured out I switched banks the next day.
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Twenty years of adult experience has taught me that most corporations will constantly make decisions that will gain them $1 million now and lose them $2 million a year and every year hereafter.


My experience has taught me that you're almost certainly missing the biggest cost effects of those decisions and are wrong about the net cost/profit of those decisions. Not to say that corporations don't make dumb and even costly decisions, but "constantly" is a bit of a stretch.

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Why they stay in business, and even continue to improve profits for a while, despite all these idiotic short-term decisions, is a long elaborate discussion I don't have the energy for.


Absent long elaborate discussion, I'll guess that it's because what they're doing actually does increase their profits, but you think otherwise. But since they have access to the whole picture and you only one small part, I'm going to go with them being more likely to know what they're doing and why.
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Since when?!
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OOOOOO Canada, your banks doth ***** us good.

IIRC -- I pay 12.50 for my monthly fee for my personal account and the same for my joint account.

And I have to buy checks if I want them, or I get charged 2 bucks each for counter checks.



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Since when?!


Um... Since they actually have access to all the financial details of the companies they're running and you don't? Was that a trick question or something? Smiley: dubious
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One of the fun things while working at Walmart, those handheld scanners show lots of infor about the products you scan. There's the normal stuff how many in inventory, how many in shipping,etc but they also have a spot showing how much Walmart paid for an item. I was always finding items that Walmart sold for 15 + yet cost like 3 dollars or less to buy.
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OOOOOO Canada, your banks doth ***** us good.

IIRC -- I pay 12.50 for my monthly fee for my personal account and the same for my joint account.

And I have to buy checks if I want them, or I get charged 2 bucks each for counter checks.


Seriously? You pay $12.50 per month per account? Are these like gold plated accounts or something? Do they come with strippers? That's crazy. I pay nothing for my accounts. If I do a direct online payment (a "push" instead of a "pull"), there's a few bucks fee associated with that. There's no cost for checks at all except like maybe $10 or whatever to buy a book of them (which is like 500 checks and lasts years and years). Why would you pay $2 per check at the counter? Similarly, things like cashiers checks are free. Account services are free. ATM use is free (as long as you use their ATM of course).

Is this the norm up there in hat-land?
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One of the fun things while working at Walmart, those handheld scanners show lots of infor about the products you scan. There's the normal stuff how many in inventory, how many in shipping,etc but they also have a spot showing how much Walmart paid for an item. I was always finding items that Walmart sold for 15 + yet cost like 3 dollars or less to buy.


That's actually pretty high for Walmart to be paying.
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Hey. It was $12.50! And for two accounts, so that's $25. Per month! That's like two lap dances right there.
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Seriously? You pay $12.50 per month per account? Are these like gold plated accounts or something? Do they come with strippers? That's crazy. I pay nothing for my accounts

You should be making money on deposit based banking. "I pay nothing for the interest free loan I provide my bank!" isn't really the goal. I realize that's challenging if you have $50 in a checking account, but most people should be able generate some interest/"cash back" with minimal effort.
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We actually do have a gold plated checking and savings combo, the "crown checking" from BoA. We get it for free with our mortgage. It keeps our emergency fund and long term savings before it gets rolled into the IRA at the end of the year, because it's the only checking account we have that actually earns interest.

Our daily checking and savings accounts are free if we are careful, but we never keep enough in the short terms savings to get more than a penny or two in interest.
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Seriously? You pay $12.50 per month per account? Are these like gold plated accounts or something? Do they come with strippers? That's crazy. I pay nothing for my accounts

You should be making money on deposit based banking. "I pay nothing for the interest free loan I provide my bank!" isn't really the goal. I realize that's challenging if you have $50 in a checking account, but most people should be able generate some interest/"cash back" with minimal effort.


This.

You should also not be paying anything for use of consumer credit, but I'm told that for whatever reason "people" take loans for non investment purposes.
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OOOOOO Canada, your banks doth ***** us good.

IIRC -- I pay 12.50 for my monthly fee for my personal account and the same for my joint account.

And I have to buy checks if I want them, or I get charged 2 bucks each for counter checks.


Seriously? You pay $12.50 per month per account? Are these like gold plated accounts or something? Do they come with strippers? That's crazy. I pay nothing for my accounts. If I do a direct online payment (a "push" instead of a "pull"), there's a few bucks fee associated with that. There's no cost for checks at all except like maybe $10 or whatever to buy a book of them (which is like 500 checks and lasts years and years). Why would you pay $2 per check at the counter? Similarly, things like cashiers checks are free. Account services are free. ATM use is free (as long as you use their ATM of course).

Is this the norm up there in hat-land?


Getting ripped off by banks? Yes that's the norm up here.

If I want to buy a book of cheques it costs 50 bucks, we just moved recently (rendering my old checks useless) so we've been paying the 2 dollar counter check fee. It's stupid, but that is banking in Canada. I tried to open a credit union account and they rejected me because of my student loan debt (not joking) so I just stick with my crummy bank.

And no, it's not gold-plated. There is the option of the 4 dollar a month account but that comes with like 8 debits only, and then they start charging you a buck each or something. It's dumb.

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Canadian banks are regulated far differently than in the states. They're not allowed to set you up for failure, like giving a sub-prime mortgage, but instead, get to rape your wallet every month, right before your eyes.
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If I want to buy a book of cheques it costs 50 bucks,
You should get checks instead. I understand they're half the price.
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