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#1 Feb 26 2013 at 11:39 AM Rating: Default
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EMP missile sort of.

This is scary stuff. This thing wipes out electronics.

People will look at this and say, AWESOME!!! non-lethal 100% effective. Here's the problem though, military forces can function without electronics, albeit at a lower effectiveness, modern civilian populations generally can't. We've become dependent on electronics for everything. This effectively being a non-lethal WMD could potentially send us back to the stone age in short order as its use will be treated as more acceptable than directly lethal options.

Now, imagine what would happen if say, New York suddenly lost all electronics, not a power outage, complete and permanent nullification of all of the electronic devices in the city. No cell phones, no radios, no sanitation, no transportation, nothing. *cough*
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Be glad it's an actual missile now and not a high altitude nuclear bomb detonation. I don't mind tech failure if it doesn't come with a free dosage of lethal radiation
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#3 Feb 26 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm assuming they can aim it somehow? So it doesn't like destroy everything everywhere.

On the plus side this means my cellphone wouldn't work and I'd get some quiet time. No e-mail would be nice. Sequencing would take a step back to manual mode and that would suck, but I may be willing to put up with it.

Edited, Feb 26th 2013 10:01am by someproteinguy
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Meh. Turning off the power in opposing countries has been a tactic for decades, and has never made war bloodless. So spending more money to do the same thing sounds pointless to me.
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Time enough at last.
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Meh. Turning off the power in opposing countries has been a tactic for decades, and has never made war bloodless. So spending more money to do the same thing sounds pointless to me.


No, it's actually a pretty useful tool. It allows for airspace control, since most Sukhois don't have sufficient shielding, and nondestructive grid dropping makes the cleanup cheaper.
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Cheaper for us? Then that's a legitimate reason. Cheaper for them? Don't care.
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You may have noticed we pay for the cleanup for own damage these days.
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Near the end usually. Most of the time shit we blow up multiple times is in the process of being repaired. Guess it comes down to just how significant the difference between clean up is, including the cost of the weapon systems and whatever other variable that comes up between start and finish. Doesn't seem so far and above better than the current fine carbon filament method.
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Well, one big monumental advantage here, and this is very situational, is that should the enemy choose to locate their radar / anti-aircraft systems in a populated area, we can strike with EMP devices with far less potential for collateral damage injured / dead civilians.

Edited, Feb 26th 2013 2:42pm by BrownDuck
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This is scary stuff.

I'm curious. On a scale of 1 to 10, how afraid of you are of losing your life? On a scale of 1 to 10, how afraid are you of losing your livelihood?
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I think he's more concerned about (1-10) losing civil society, and definitely concerned (1-10) about the impact losing all utilities would have on his life.


I lost two friends to an EMP three days ago. True Story.
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Well, one big monumental advantage here, and this is very situational, is that should the enemy choose to locate their radar / anti-aircraft systems in a populated area, we can strike with EMP devices with far less potential for collateral damage injured / dead civilians.
If their own government wants to use them as human shields, then they should get the **** out of the way. It's not like generators and radar arrays and such just appear overnight. As noble as reducing casualties is, it should be secondary to the safety of our own people.
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Like when there is a power-plant that powers a city, but also supplies power to enemy military assets?
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I thought that most of the people you guys throw bombs at barely have electricity anyway.
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This thing will wipe out HUNDREDS of my friends!

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I thought that most of the people you guys throw bombs at barely have electricity anyway.

They're the ones that you have to be most worried about. No electricity means no connection to the hive mind, and we can't have that.


Edited, Feb 27th 2013 9:33am by someproteinguy
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Wait, you mean there's people who are not on Reddit?
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Just some savages, nothing to concern yourself with. They'll be gone once the drones arrive.
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You get used to it I guess.
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If their own government wants to use them as human shields, then they should get the **** out of the way. It's not like generators and radar arrays and such just appear overnight. As noble as reducing casualties is, it should be secondary to the safety of our own people.


How secondary? What exact value do you place on each set of lives?
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Personally? None on anyone outside my immediate circle, but I've probably got a few issues.
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So apparently this weapon was designed to fight Japan's Cyberdyne which is advancing HAL.

AFK wrapping my house in tinfoil.

Edited, Feb 28th 2013 10:48am by Yodabunny
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That's HAL 1 though. Still many generations away from HAL 9000 (or T1000).
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So apparently this weapon was designed to fight Japan's Cyberdyne which is advancing HAL.

AFK wrapping my house in tinfoil.

Edited, Feb 28th 2013 10:48am by Yodabunny



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That's HAL 1 though. Still many generations away from HAL 9000 (or T1000).


The greatest defences are the ones that defend against weapons that don't exist yet :).
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And our Biological Hive Mind Animal Armies will make us immune to our own device killing weapon of doom!

Of course, being a hive mind it will only protect Liberals.
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Here's the problem though, military forces can function without electronics, albeit at a lower effectiveness

I don't believe this at all.
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Here's the problem though, military forces can function without electronics, albeit at a lower effectiveness

I don't believe this at all.


It's true, just look at the Canadian Military.
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Here's the problem though, military forces can function without electronics, albeit at a lower effectiveness

I don't believe this at all.


It's true, just look at the Canadian Military.

He said without electronics, not without weapons (sticks and stones notwithstanding).
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I thought the idea behind this weapon was to take out radar? Which I imagine would be pretty hard to use without some sort of electronics.

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Passive radar is being heavily marketed abroad as the system to use if a country wants to identify U.S. stealth planes including the forthcoming F-35. The passive system evaluates a wide spectrum of anomalies to track a jet, but a burst from CHAMPS, or the new active electronically scanned array (AESA) will render that threat useless.



Edited, Mar 1st 2013 9:48am by someproteinguy
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Not too much a problem. We'll just hire Michael Winslow and wing it.
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Passive radar is being heavily marketed abroad as the system to use if a country wants to identify U.S. stealth planes including the forthcoming F-35

The F-35's "stealth" tech has been obsolete for about 3 years to any nation not banging rocks for light. Quite possibly the worst defense acquisition mistake in history, and trust me, that's saying something.
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BrownDuck wrote:
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Here's the problem though, military forces can function without electronics, albeit at a lower effectiveness

I don't believe this at all.


It's true, just look at the Canadian Military.

He said without electronics, not without weapons (sticks and stones notwithstanding).
Smiley: oyvey One of the higher guns per capita in the world. There is no shortage of guns up here.


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One of the higher guns per capita in the world. There is no shortage of guns up here.

Homogenous population low population density. Nations like that, everyone can have 100 guns without major issues. It's not a complicated demographic understanding. The same applies to US states like Maine and Vermont, Wyoming, etc.
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Passive radar is being heavily marketed abroad as the system to use if a country wants to identify U.S. stealth planes including the forthcoming F-35

The F-35's "stealth" tech has been obsolete for about 3 years to any nation not banging rocks for light. Quite possibly the worst defense acquisition mistake in history, and trust me, that's saying something.


And a QIS more or less defeats most of the stealth coatings in the pipeline. It's a pretty serious strategy problem.
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One of the higher guns per capita in the world. There is no shortage of guns up here.

Homogenous population low population density. Nations like that, everyone can have 100 guns without major issues. It's not a complicated demographic understanding. The same applies to US states like Maine and Vermont, Wyoming, etc.
I don't see how your point is relevant given the context of what you quoted.
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How did that terrible name make it through the bureaucratic process?
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Nvm, brain fart.

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I don't see how your point is relevant given the context of what you quoted.

Then you need to take a class in basic rhetoric or something, because it couldn't be fucking clearer. In populations full of people who all look the same and live a mile apart, gun violence is less of an issue than it is in a population of different looking people living on top of one another. 10 guns per person in Manhattan leads to more per capita violence than 10 guns per person in Casper (or in this case, Medicine Hat). Not complicated.
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