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#1 Feb 23 2013 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Just watched the Playstation 4 reveal on Youtube. The system is looking **** gorgeous, by the way, but then it came to the Square-Enix presentation.. I was completely and utterly mesmerized..

The fact that these guys had the audacity to show up on stage and show a year old tech demo was pretty appalling, but then, right when you think they are going to throw a bone and turn things up they instead simply bow out and ask you to wait til E3? Did it really take two executives to do all of that? This is the same Square-Enix that has managed to spew three iterations of FFXIII from their bowels before giving so much as a hit of a Versus XIII release date.. The same SE that launched an MMO so bad, that they had to annihilate the original game world and shut off its servers for an undetermined period of time..

So, the question begs to be asked. If Square-Enix served you a baby fetus, would they even bother to cook it? Or are you like me, and think that they really are so pompous and full of unworldly amounts of **** as to simply expect you to eat it and be happy? If you demanded that they cook said baby fetus, would they spit or pee in it before bringing it back to you? Inquiring minds want to know.
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#2 Feb 23 2013 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see why you're so up in arms over it. Square has barely had a decent release in well over a decade.
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#3 Feb 23 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see why you're so up in arms over it. Square has barely had a decent release in well over a decade.


I suppose. It just irks me that they get so much of a limelight and even their spinoffs generate a lot of money while there are so many other developers out there really pushing the boundaries to make good games that go largely unnoticed. It just seems like such a shame.
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Perhaps you should stop religiously buying their **** then.
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Perhaps you should stop religiously buying their sh*t, then.


I'll admit, I preordered XIII and XIV. Only played XIV for about a month (and barely, the game was unplayable). XIII-2 and 3, no way. Guess I've been getting weened off that teet throughout this console generation.

..and seriously, with games like Ni No Kuni leading the way, it is really clear that SE has lost their touch. It's not like I have lost my taste for JRPGs, nor have many many others. Square-Enix really is a disgrace to its former self.
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Well, they did take the criticisms of XIII and made XIII-2 a better game.

I don't know about Lightning Returns. I can't imagine them making it worse than XIII given the improvements seen in XIII-2.
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Well, they did take the criticisms of XIII and made XIII-2 a better game.
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Well, they did take the criticisms of XIII and made XIII-2 a better game.
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It does for a coprophiliac.
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Two girls borrowed it.
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Two girls borrowed it.


Vanille and Serah?
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Vanille Hope and Serah?


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Two girls borrowed it.


Ew. lol

I was primarily annoyed with their announcement of the PS4 without even bothering to show us the device itself. Isn't that kind of a unofficial requirement of a product announcement? I mean, at least show us the prototype. :\
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#15 Feb 26 2013 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Ew. lol

I was primarily annoyed with their announcement of the PS4 without even bothering to show us the device itself. Isn't that kind of a unofficial requirement of a product announcement? I mean, at least show us the prototype. :\


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Well, they did take the criticisms of XIII and made XIII-2 a better game.

I don't know about Lightning Returns. I can't imagine them making it worse than XIII given the improvements seen in XIII-2.


I overlooked this..

I totally disagree. The everlasting problem facing SE is that the fan base wants contradicting things. XIII and XIII-2 are two different games progression wise. Granted, the beginning of XIII was "boring" and linear, but as soon as the open world became available, it was much more fun than the "Easter egg hunt" in XIII-2.

I like having options, but I don't like the format of doing various unknown quests to progress. I like the story to move me along. I like options, but throw me a bone in the story line.
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I do like the time line, alternate worlds, type system though. It makes for interesting game play. Though I do remember early on, when I first get to choose a path, hopping between a couple places and almost feeling like I was watching a story out of sequence and second guessing myself constantly on which way I should be going.

But when I posted that, I looked up Lightning's Return...
Seems like they went all Majora's Mask on the game. Not sure if I like that. I don't like feeling rushed in a JRPG. Time limits go against my want to explore every nook and cranny of the World. Reason why I never finished Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter. Even though I enjoyed the idea, and even enjoyed the reasoning behind the main character using his powers so much that he completely awakens and loses his humanity... I didn't like being limited in that way.

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I just realized this topic is in =4. What's up with that?

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I do like the time line, alternate worlds, type system though. It makes for interesting game play.


That's the thing though, not everyone do, so SE is screwed either way.
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I do like the time line, alternate worlds, type system though. It makes for interesting game play.


That's the thing though, not everyone do, so SE is screwed either way.

They have the choice to develop two different game franchises, with similar overall art feel and story archetypes, but with two different, distinct types of game play. Heck, to save costs, they could do exactly the same world and story, but put out sandbox and time limit versions. One could be called: FFXX Classic, and the other could be FFXX Full Throttle, or FFXX Challenge, or FFXX Power Play, or something else manly and ADD.
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I do like the time line, alternate worlds, type system though. It makes for interesting game play.


That's the thing though, not everyone do, so SE is screwed either way.

They have the choice to develop two different game franchises, with similar overall art feel and story archetypes, but with two different, distinct types of game play. Heck, to save costs, they could do exactly the same world and story, but put out sandbox and time limit versions. One could be called: FFXX Classic, and the other could be FFXX Full Throttle, or FFXX Challenge, or FFXX Power Play, or something else manly and ADD.


Yes, while everyone will be pleased by a certain version, they will ridicule the opposite version. I like the changes, it keeps the series alive and not a "Madden" upgrade, but a totally different game and feel.


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#23 Mar 02 2013 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Or...

They stop listening to the fans and critics who beg for 'new' and give them FF6, 7, 10, with new character names and clothes every other year...
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Sometimes I don't get them. I mean, how much would it cost to develop a FF7 HD overhaul? I'm sure it wouldn't cost quite as much as developing the next FF game, and it would be all but guaranteed to sell ridiculously well. It's not something that I'm necessarily interested in, but it seems like it's such a no-brainer moneymaker.
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Or...

They stop listening to the fans and critics who beg for 'new' and give them FF6, 7, 10, with new character names and clothes every other year...


That's the LAST thing that I want. That's on the same level as charging for DLC on the debut of a game. I want new content, not just the same game in a different color. With that, I accept the fact that I may not like some games as others. Personally, FF8 and FF10 are my favorites. I would rather play 9 over 7. 7 is good, but is overly hyped. Overall, I like that latter games are different games.

I also like the "-2" series of games, that allows us to continue a story. I just haven't seen it played out well.
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Sometimes I don't get them. I mean, how much would it cost to develop a FF7 HD overhaul? I'm sure it wouldn't cost quite as much as developing the next FF game, and it would be all but guaranteed to sell ridiculously well. It's not something that I'm necessarily interested in, but it seems like it's such a no-brainer moneymaker.

There's plenty of articles and interviews floating around that indicate that no, remaking FF7 actually would cost astronomically more than making whatever the next modern FF is and that it would also yield nothing but financial ruin for the company.
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They stop listening to the fans and critics who beg for 'new' and give them FF6, 7, 10, with new character names and clothes every other year...


That's the LAST thing that I want. That's on the same level as charging for DLC on the debut of a game. I want new content, not just the same game in a different color. With that, I accept the fact that I may not like some games as others. Personally, FF8 and FF10 are my favorites. I would rather play 9 over 7. 7 is good, but is overly hyped. Overall, I like that latter games are different games.

I also like the "-2" series of games, that allows us to continue a story. I just haven't seen it played out well.


It was tongue-in-cheek. A stab at the people who demand new and then cry when ever a non-standard game is released.

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Sometimes I don't get them. I mean, how much would it cost to develop a FF7 HD overhaul? I'm sure it wouldn't cost quite as much as developing the next FF game, and it would be all but guaranteed to sell ridiculously well. It's not something that I'm necessarily interested in, but it seems like it's such a no-brainer moneymaker.

There's plenty of articles and interviews floating around that indicate that no, remaking FF7 actually would cost astronomically more than making whatever the next modern FF is and that it would also yield nothing but financial ruin for the company.


Ya, I'd imagine that the storyline of a game is a minimal development cost. Even developing the idea of the battle and control system can't be that high a cost
when compared to the actually graphics design and programming onto a new platform.

I remember reading about Chrono Resurrection

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It was tongue-in-cheek. A stab at the people who demand new and then cry when ever a non-standard game is released.


My bad...

I thought you were out there.. I mean, EA players have no problem with buying the same game every year..
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It was tongue-in-cheek. A stab at the people who demand new and then cry when ever a non-standard game is released.


My bad...

I thought you were out there.. I mean, EA players have no problem with buying the same game every year..


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Better than the gaming magazines who have the new FIFA plastered all over the mag once a year, spewing 4+ pages on how the game is pretty much the exact same as it was last **** year.
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If they are going to drastically change the gameplay, I would prefer they release it under a new name. When something changes radically from the version you fell in love with, it annoys the fanbase, like the 2 newest ratchet and clank games (started as a single person platformer, last 2 release are 4 person platformer and a tower defense game).

I keep fearing that they will drastically alter single player Dragon Quest games to make it "fresh and modern". I play DQ for old-fashioned playstyle and I want to kill everybody who says the next game should be more like the Elder Scrolls or whatever.
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[Ya, I'd imagine that the storyline of a game is a minimal development cost.
I'll say, considering the last half dozen Final Fantasy games.
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Haven't played the tower defense game, haven't found it. As for adding multiplayer to the game, not seeing how its so horrible. You can still play alone, don't bother with playing as Quark or Nafarious if you feel it ruins it for you. Having friends over to play it with me and my girl is a lot of fun for us. Easy game, stupid mistakes and a bit of a challenge have made for fun times.

Understand it's not your cup of tea but it didn't ruin it. You want to play as Rachet and get things done, go right ahead. You want to have fun with friends, off line or on, you have that too.
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If they are going to drastically change the gameplay, I would prefer they release it under a new name. When something changes radically from the version you fell in love with, it annoys the fanbase, like the 2 newest ratchet and clank games (started as a single person platformer, last 2 release are 4 person platformer and a tower defense game).

I keep fearing that they will drastically alter single player Dragon Quest games to make it "fresh and modern". I play DQ for old-fashioned playstyle and I want to kill everybody who says the next game should be more like the Elder Scrolls or whatever.


That depends for me. I'm more concerned of the story line, but the game can't be too far off. I loved X-2's game-play, but it was so cheesy. At the same time, I don't want to play the same game with a different story. It should at least be some minor changes in game play like in XIII-2.
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I feel a little nauseous, but I agree with... Alma... I like FF9 more than FF7. :(

I am also lamenting the lack of 2 player LOCAL games. It seems every single game that comes out these days is a "multi-player experience." My husband and I have scoured the PlayStation store many a weekend looking for a decent game that we both are interested in that we can sit side-by-side and play together.

I mean, it's a little expensive to buy another PS3, another TV, and 2 copies of the same game just so we can waste a weekend getting drunk and playing video games together. :(
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I am also lamenting the lack of 2 player LOCAL games. It seems every single game that comes out these days is a "multi-player experience." My husband and I have scoured the PlayStation store many a weekend looking for a decent game that we both are interested in that we can sit side-by-side and play together.

I rarely play console games, but Little Big Planet and Resident Evil 5 are both fun as co-op.

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I rarely play console games, but Little Big Planet and Resident Evil 5 are both fun as co-op.



My husband dislikes the Little Big Planet games (though I enjoy them) and he wasn't a fan of RE4 (might have been because it was on the Wii). I'll have to revisit Resident Evil. Thanks.

We do enjoy some Fat Princess at times, though.
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WiiU has been pretty decent as far as co-op is concerned.
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I rarely play console games, but Little Big Planet and Resident Evil 5 are both fun as co-op.



My husband dislikes the Little Big Planet games (though I enjoy them) and he wasn't a fan of RE4 (might have been because it was on the Wii). I'll have to revisit Resident Evil. Thanks.

We do enjoy some Fat Princess at times, though.


Have you guys tried Dead Nation? Might be the best co-op title on the PSN.
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I feel a little nauseous, but I agree with... Alma... I like FF9 more than FF7. :(
I too like FF9 more than FF7, but I'm not sure if that would necessarily be the case if 9 had come first. I think I enjoyed it so much because of 7 and 8, with their more serious, futuristic settings. 9 was a return to what I missed. If it had been the first PS FF game, I am sure I would have still liked it, but it wouldn't have had that added bonus of nostalgia.
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I'll check it out, Eske. Thanks!
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I'll check it out, Eske. Thanks!


Anytime. Let me know if it fits the bill. I might have some other suggestions if I rack my brain a bit.
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I feel a little nauseous, but I agree with... Alma... I like FF9 more than FF7. :(

I am also lamenting the lack of 2 player LOCAL games. It seems every single game that comes out these days is a "multi-player experience." My husband and I have scoured the PlayStation store many a weekend looking for a decent game that we both are interested in that we can sit side-by-side and play together.

I mean, it's a little expensive to buy another PS3, another TV, and 2 copies of the same game just so we can waste a weekend getting drunk and playing video games together. :(


Can't you just play something on the PC/laptop that is multiplayer? I assume you both have computers. Or do you want the split screen experience?
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Can't you just play something on the PC/laptop that is multiplayer? I assume you both have computers. Or do you want the split screen experience?


We'd like to be able to sit side by side on the comfortable couch playing together, old school-like. And on the computer, you have to buy 2 copies of the games in order to play anything online these days.

And his laptop... well, it's slow and I don't want to say it sucks, but it sucks.
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Here you go: http://www.co-optimus.com/system/2/playstation-3.html

And you can filter on the right side for split-screen, couch co-op, etc.

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Here you go: http://www.co-optimus.com/system/2/playstation-3.html

And you can filter on the right side for split-screen, couch co-op, etc.



Oh wow, nice. Thanks, Tricky!
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Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light was also supposed to be a strong co-op title. I only played it solo (and found it quite enjoyable), so I can't speak to its multiplayer, but I'd imagine that it'd be worth a look.
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We'd like to be able to sit side by side on the comfortable couch playing together, old school-like. And on the computer, you have to buy 2 copies of the games in order to play anything online these days.

And his laptop... well, it's slow and I don't want to say it sucks, but it sucks.


Don't forget old school games, if you still have the systems. 64, Gamecube and Dreamcast are great multi-player systems.
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Don't forget old school games, if you still have the systems. 64, Gamecube and Dreamcast are great multi-player systems.


We haven't had those really old systems for a long time, but we sold our XBox and our Wii when we moved and only kept the PS3 because it had a blu-ray player.
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