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#52 Feb 12 2013 at 4:04 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, how come they're not live streaming the Tea Party response after the GOP response?!
Someone is bringing Ted Nugent and he'll be available to speak to the media before and after the speech so they've got something.
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#53 Feb 12 2013 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
I wonder if Nugent will even be let in, considering his thinly veiled threats towards Obama in the past that resulted in a sit down with the Secret Service?

If they don't, he'll scream about his rights being infringed on. If they do allow him in, expect him to heckle, which could be fun.
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#54 Feb 12 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
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No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

For instance....?

It's legitimately difficult to objectively think of anything conservative pundits have been right about in the last 4 years. Not joking. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but MAN have those guys been just rock dead fucking wrong about everything lately. So much moreso than chance that it almost seems intentional.
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#55 Feb 12 2013 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Papa John was right about his business going to hell, and it was totally Obama's fault.
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Papa John was right about his business going to hell, and it was totally Obama's fault.
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No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

For instance....?

It's legitimately difficult to objectively think of anything conservative pundits have been right about in the last 4 years. Not joking. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but MAN have those guys been just rock dead fucking wrong about everything lately. So much moreso than chance that it almost seems intentional.


That's ridiculous; Romney was ahead and gaining momentum. If it wasn't for Sandy he'd be in the White House.
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#59 Feb 12 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Default
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No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

For instance....?

It's legitimately difficult to objectively think of anything conservative pundits have been right about in the last 4 years. Not joking. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but MAN have those guys been just rock dead fucking wrong about everything lately.


Really? You don't remember all the things Obama said years ago which conservatives said he was just saying to gain political support and he'd do the opposite at some point once in office? I've already listed off the obvious low hanging fruit (gitmo, nsa wiretapping, wot, drone strikes, etc), but we can add "not raising taxes one dime", and then pushing to raise taxes, not just on the rich, but on everyone. How about "not in favor of gay marriage", and then refusing to defend DOMA and then conveniently having his position "evolve" into exactly what conservatives said his position really was. Oh, and "not in favor of gun control", also met with a "yeah, sure" by the right. Woah! Who could have guess that now he's pushing for gun control. No government funding for contraceptives and/or abortion? Going to "reach across the aisle"?


There are a huge list of things that Obama claimed when running and in the early portion of his presidency which were designed to either appeal to his base or to appeal to the middle, many of which the right scoffed at when he said it and predicted that these weren't really his positions, but just what he was saying to get support. And it's shocking just how accurate the conservatives were about which things he'd switch his position on. And I suppose we were also accurate in predicting just how little media attention would be paid to these things as well. And also how willing the left would be to ignore the promises he broke to them. I mean, never ending screaming about gitmo for 5 years straight, then Obama takes office and silence? Warrantless wiretaps talked about over and over, then nothing? It's amazing how willing the left is to just look the other way. Makes one think that they're ok with their leaders lying to them, as long as it's "their leaders" in power anyway.


Hence my comment about the difference between the left and right on this. Folks on the Right can see right through that level of BS. We're actually remarkably good at seeing it and decrying it. The Left? Not so much.
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Hence my comment about the difference between the left and right on this. Folks on the Right can see right through that level of BS. We're actually remarkably good at seeing it and decrying it.


If that were true, there'd be no Republican voters left.
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Hence my comment about the difference between the left and right on this. Folks on the Right can see right through that level of BS. We're actually remarkably good at seeing it and decrying it.


If that were true, there'd be no Republican voters left.

I would remind that there is no conclusive evidence that ability to see through bs is at all linked to political affiliation.
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#63 Feb 12 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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There are a huge list of things that Obama claimed when running and in the early portion of his presidency which were designed to either appeal to his base or to appeal to the middle, many of which the right scoffed at when he said it and predicted that these weren't really his positions, but just what he was saying to get support.


Oh, sorry, I thought you meant actual things commentators on the Right complained about, not obvious bullsh*t *literally no one* takes seriously that's said during campaigns. Was your point that politicians make lofty promises they know they can't keep? Because, if so, that's really insightful. You should make a you tube video or something, people have to know about this!
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Oh, sorry, I thought you meant actual things commentators on the Right complained about, not obvious bullsh*t *literally no one* takes seriously that's said during campaigns. Was your point that politicians make lofty promises they know they can't keep? Because, if so, that's really insightful.


What's insightful is that when conservatives said "that's just BS he's saying to get votes", every liberal jumped up and down and insisted "Oh no! That's exactly what he's going to do. Obama wouldn't lie and you're an evil racist for saying that!". Then when he predictably changes his position to exactly what conservatives said all along, the liberals are like "Well, everyone knew that was his real position. Duh!".

Why do that if not to trick people into voting for you guy? So forgive me if I see value in pointing this out so that maybe some of the idiots who fell for it last time (last two times, sheesh!) might not do so again next time. Of course, I completely understand your need to diminish and dismiss this process, but can we agree that this is also purely about politics? You have a vested interest in people falling for Democrat candidate lies, and I have a vested interest in them not falling for them. That about sum it up?
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What's insightful is that when conservatives said "that's just BS he's saying to get votes", every liberal jumped up and down and insisted "Oh no! That's exactly what he's going to do.

Really? I'm pretty sure I said "Obviously Gitmo's not going to be closed and 'Transparent Government' is a silly joke". I do recall Joph arguing that I was being to cynical, but that's just my near photographic memory recalling something from 5 years ago. It's probably exactly correct.
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What's insightful is that when conservatives said "that's just BS he's saying to get votes", every liberal jumped up and down and insisted "Oh no! That's exactly what he's going to do.

Really? I'm pretty sure I said "Obviously Gitmo's not going to be closed and 'Transparent Government' is a silly joke". I do recall Joph arguing that I was being to cynical, but that's just my near photographic memory recalling something from 5 years ago. It's probably exactly correct.


Don't feel like looking it up, but how about "nearly every liberal" then. Certainly a large enough percentage of left leaning posters on this forum followed this pattern for me to conclude that either they knew it was BS at the time but lied about it to cover for their candidate in the hopes of influencing others, or they were honestly duped themselves but either didn't realize the story changed 180 degrees later or decided it really didn't matter that their leaders lied to get elected (ends justify the means). Any one of those constitutes sufficient reason for me to point this out and other conservatives to point out the same thing in any venue they have available to them. What's the alternative you propose? We just stay silent about this? That seems somewhat non-productive from my point of view.
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Certainly a large enough percentage of left leaning posters on this forum followed this pattern for me to conclude
So ... one?
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Don't feel like looking it up, but how about "nearly every liberal" then.

Easily the same amount who defended Assata Shakur! Easily!!
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Don't feel like looking it up, but how about "nearly every liberal" then.

Easily the same amount who defended Assata Shakur! Easily!!


Beat me to it. Smiley: bah

It's amazing how he'll overreach to defend the most trivial of mistakes (as he did in that thread), not realize how hilariously he ends up blowing up his cases in other threads. It's uncanny enough to seem satirical.
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Don't feel like looking it up, but how about "nearly every liberal" then. Certainly a large enough percentage of left leaning posters on this forum followed this pattern for me to conclude that either they knew it was BS at the time but lied about it to cover for their candidate in the hopes of influencing others,

Yeah, because this forum is ripe with persuadable GOP voters we were trying to swing to Obama. That's why we wove that tangled web of pretending to believe crazy campaign promises were very likely to be kept. It worked so well, we've continued the ruse to this day where we still pretend Obama isn't a weak center-right administrator, but instead FDR reincarnated. No wait, Lincoln. Huge cocked black Lincoln! Of course that makes Michelle insane, which explains those bangs.
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Yeah, because this forum is ripe with persuadable GOP voters we were trying to swing to Obama. That's why we wove that tangled web of pretending to believe crazy campaign promises were very likely to be kept.


It's called "practice".

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It worked so well, we've continued the ruse to this day where we still pretend Obama isn't a weak center-right administrator, but instead FDR reincarnated. No wait, Lincoln. Huge cocked black Lincoln! Of course that makes Michelle insane, which explains those bangs.


See! Trying too hard there Smash. I'm just not feeling it.
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#72 May 26 2013 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
Unsurprisingly, the UN did not side with Paul after finding out he was offered the domains for free but would have to pay for their mailing lists.
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