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#1 Feb 08 2013 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Odds are that by now you've heard of the manhunt for Christopher Dorner the former police officer who has vowed a one-man war against the LAPD after he was fired in 2009. So far he's killed three people (the daughter of officer who represented him on his appeal, her fiance, and one of the officers who was pursuing Dorner), and wounded another. Apparently he's also a Marksman (third rank, IIRC) in rifles, and an expert (first rank) in 9mm pistol shooting. So while he's obviously a dangerous guy, the response from the LAPD has been... well, pretty crazy in my book.
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Basically, the LAPD has pulled out all the stops and initiated the largest manhunt in CA history to find him and take him down. Dorner left a rambling manifesto where he talks about his take on the reasons behind his firing, his perception of the corruption within the LAPD, and how he's going to miss seeing Shark Week. He has praise for Obama and Bush Sr., hates the president of the NRA and Fareed Zakaria, and forgives General Petraeus for having "thought with (his) *****." A man of many views, is Dorner.

Reddit has a good time-line up about the events surrounding the case. Craziest thing so far is that the LAPD has shot two innocent people so far, convinced they were Dorner... and as of yet, there's no news of firings or arrests for the officers involved. Makes you wonder if Dorner isn't too wrong about the corruption!

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(That's the truck officers opened fire on with the two innocent women inside).

Think he'll take revenge on any other officers before he gets taken down? Think he'll get caught at all? Last reports said they've lost his trail as a storm approaches, and he mentioned before he might head to Mexico.
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#2 Feb 08 2013 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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the response from the LAPD has been... well, pretty crazy in my book.

Cops are at risk, not little people. They're reacting appropriately.
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If only cops were allowed to carry guns then this would have been solved long ago with less bloodshed.

All being a marksman in rifles means is that he eventually qualified that year. Really doesn't say anything about his threat level. You spend eight hours on a range and eventually you'll qual.

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That shark week is pretty sweet stuff.

I've only been following this story a little but I assume the destroyed truck in the photo is the burnt out one they think the shooter abandoned. I suppose it makes sense that the cops on that scene would wear body armor since that'd be an obvious set-up for a guy who wants to shoot cops.

Not to get into an immediate hijacking tangent but the unfortunate shooting of the two women reminds me of the recent New York event where a guy had a gun and seven (?) people were injured... all by police responding and firing, trying to take the gunman down.

[Edit: Whoops... nine people injured; two by direct hits and six by bullet or masonry fragments. And this isn't to discount the initial victim of gunman killed which started the event]

Edited, Feb 8th 2013 2:05pm by Jophiel
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And to think... at one point in time he was a law-abiding citizen!
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For a second I thought that second image had come out of Afghanistan or something.
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Jophiel wrote:
Not to get into an immediate hijacking tangent but the unfortunate shooting of the two women reminds me of the recent New York event where a guy had a gun and seven (?) people were injured... all by police responding and firing, trying to take the gunman down.
Nine. Three direct and the rest were fragment (bullet, wall, flower pot) ricochets. The difference is that in the Empire State Building incident the cops shot at the guy who was pointing a gun on them. I don't think the two shot by the LAPD were in the vicinity of Dorner.

Not that I'm defending the lack of control of the NYPD, as I think sixteen shots is quite excessive, just that by all accounts they actually had a gun pointed at them at the time.
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And to think... at one point in time he was a law-abiding citizen!


Gerald Butler will play Donner in the movie version of the story.
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#9 Feb 08 2013 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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the response from the LAPD has been... well, pretty crazy in my book.

Cops are at risk, not little people. They're reacting appropriately.



On the other hand it is the LAPD, which pretty much guarantees they're going to start a race war before it's all said and done.

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Samira wrote:
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the response from the LAPD has been... well, pretty crazy in my book.

Cops are at risk, not little people. They're reacting appropriately.



On the other hand it is the LAPD, which pretty much guarantees they're going to start a race war before it's all said and done.



Did they say if the two women shot were black or latino?
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Samira wrote:
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the response from the LAPD has been... well, pretty crazy in my book.

Cops are at risk, not little people. They're reacting appropriately.



On the other hand it is the LAPD, which pretty much guarantees they're going to start a race war before it's all said and done.



Did they say if the two women shot were black or latino?


Really fat white women. It's why they thought Dorner was in the vehicle.
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Since he was in San Diego, the news stations went into overload over here. One of the naval bases locked down since he used his military ID to get on base. So the other naval bases of course went into high security mode.

When I saw his picture, my first impression was LL Cool J went on a bender with the Krispy Kremes.
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He certainly does seem to be messing with the police's heads though. So he checks into a hotel next to base, but he's not there. He ties up a guy at the marina, but also not there. Leaves wallet lying on the ground. Not there. Leaves equipment, not there. Leaves burned truck in the mountains, not there. He seems to be intentionally scattering his trail around to maximize the number of places the police have to spend resources. No way to know what his plan is, but assuming he actually wants to kills those on his list, I'd expect he's not actually in Big Bear. Likely just burned the truck there in order to get hundreds of LEOs up there looking for him in a snowstorm while he's somewhere else. That or he's re-enacting First Blood or something. Depends on whether he's actually unstable or not I suppose.
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Seems like the media frenzy is in full effect. I'll wait till the hype dies down and a true accounting can be told without all the typical knee-jerk reactionary stories flying around.

It does make for an interesting story though. Sounds like a Jack Reacher novel or something.
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I suppose that Hollywood will tell us whether his "manifesto" is a legitimate tale of a man driven to desperation by a corrupt system, or just the rantings of a guy with a persecution complex. But which will Hollywood go with? It's so hard to tell!
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#16 Feb 08 2013 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
Regardless of whether or not "injustice" lead to his firing, the route he's gone in venting his frustration at perceived "injustice" isn't one that makes me the least bit sympathetic towards his plight.

He's obviously interested in getting his story out there, so unless he peacefully surrenders he's got no chance at being remembered as anything more than a mad man.
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#17 Feb 08 2013 at 7:22 PM Rating: Default
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Regardless of whether or not "injustice" lead to his firing, the route he's gone in venting his frustration at perceived "injustice" isn't one that makes me the least bit sympathetic towards his plight.


Interesting. I'm assuming you hold the same opinion towards say Assata Shakur then? Or shall we just wait a decade or three after popular media is done with his story and see what the youth of the day think?

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He's obviously interested in getting his story out there, so unless he peacefully surrenders he's got no chance at being remembered as anything more than a mad man.


He'll be shot while trying to surrender though. Just like always happens. Movie of the week for sure!
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If I was a betting man, I'd wager that Omegavegeta has little opinion on Assata Shakur one way or the other and spends precious little time thinking about her.

Is this one of those things radio-fed conservatives keep in their hip pocket to spring out at opportune moments? "What do you think of... Assata Shakur?!?! HA!! Got you, didn't I!?"

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Jophiel wrote:
If I was a betting man, I'd wager that Omegavegeta has little opinion on Assata Shakur one way or the other and spends precious little time thinking about her.

Is this one of those things radio-fed conservatives keep in their hip pocket to spring out at opportune moments? "What do you think of... Assata Shakur?!?! HA!! Got you, didn't I!?"


We had a thread about her some time ago. Can't remember exactly who said what, but there was a remarkable willingness among the more liberal members of this forum to focus on the claimed corruption/abuse she suffered and ignore the violent acts she committed. So it seemed like a reasonable comparison to make. Call it "Bonnie and Clyde" syndrome if you prefer.
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There was one post by Rdmcandie talking about her. The rest of us just laughed at Varus. I had completely forgotten the thread but it wasn't exactly anything memorable.

You have weird memories of what the "more liberal members" of the board do.
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You have weird memories of what the "more liberal members" of the board do.


Side picking mostly. Point being that if Omega thought that the position of the left was to defend Dorner, he'd be defending his actions and attacking anyone who pointed out the violent harm he caused. Such a "side" hasn't been established in this case yet. But in 20 or 30 years it will. Which is part of the point I'm making.
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Ah, of course.

Well, don't let no one tell you wrong thirty years from now!
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Hey. I'm just sayin', this guy has folk hero written all over him. Just you wait!
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#24 Feb 09 2013 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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We had a thread about her (Shakur) some time ago. Can't remember exactly who said what, but there was a remarkable willingness among the more liberal members of this forum to focus on the claimed corruption/abuse she suffered and ignore the violent acts she committed. So it seemed like a reasonable comparison to make. Call it "Bonnie and Clyde" syndrome if you prefer.


Feel free to compare them, just don't be surprised that my opinion on her is the same one I have about Dorner. Mumia Abu Jamal's a different story, but I don't think he shot the cop he was convicted of killing & didn't kill other people in revenge for his "false" conviction/imprisonment. But rest assured if he pulled a Dorner I'd feel the same way about him.

But boy, you sure got me...agreeing with you and all.

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You have weird memories of what the "more liberal members" of the board do.


Side picking mostly. Point being that if Omega thought that the position of the left was to defend Dorner, he'd be defending his actions and attacking anyone who pointed out the violent harm he caused. Such a "side" hasn't been established in this case yet. But in 20 or 30 years it will. Which is part of the point I'm making.


1. Make allegation.
2. Get proved wrong. Comically wrong.
3. Deflect.
4. ???
5. Profit.
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There's no way to prove someone wrong when his position is projected 30 years into the future.
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