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#152 Jan 31 2013 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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#153 Jan 31 2013 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is rape involving age of consent without force worse than burning a house to the ground with people inside? Currently as a society we say yes in most cases. That's the issue. The scale of the horror. Not that there is any.


I'm still trying to figure out wtf you are saying here. Are you talking about statuatory rape? Well, that's a completely separate issue from the rape I (and I think most people in this thread) was talking about. I was talking about the kind of rape where a woman says no, and a man does it anyway. Do I think that a seventeen year old girl begging her mother not to press charges on her nineteen year old boyfriend is something to compare to someone burning people alive? Of course not. Don't be a moron.

Yeah, you misunderstood. He was limiting this to a discussion about adults.

Edited, Jan 31st 2013 1:18pm by Xsarus
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#154 Jan 31 2013 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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It sure could be. Rape doesn't just disappear after it's happened, the same as with being blinded or disfigured. If there is transmission of an STD or a pregnancy involved, it's even more permanent. Just because the scars aren't visible to you, doesn't mean they aren't there.


Thanks for crystallizing the problem. Blinded for life, chlamydia, yeah about the same.
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#155 Jan 31 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
There are fatal STDs. That's not at all the problem with what you quoted.
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There are fatal STDs. That's not at all the problem with what you quoted.

Yeah, I guess. If you're raped, then die as a result, that's murder. See the problem? Adding other severe crimes to rape to make "rape" that much more serious sort of misses the point, doesn't it?

Oh, rape can be worse than being maimed if you get a fatal disease from it? Holy ****, you're right! You know what, if you're speeding and drive into a ditch full of TNT and it goes off, that's way worse than being raped and not dying. Let's make speeding punishible by death.

Fuck you people are stupid.
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#157 Jan 31 2013 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "but you could get an STD" argument should really be separated.

If you DO get an STD, then okay, that adds to the severity of the crime. In the rare case it's HIV, then that's a lot worse, although criminal HIV transmission is itself a separate crime.

If you don't get an STD, or the rapist wasn't infected, then it's not an issue. Unless you're talking about the weeks of worrying until test results come back, which is a pretty minor issue compared to the rape itself.
#158 Jan 31 2013 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for crystallizing the problem. Blinded for life, chlamydia, yeah about the same.


Blinded for life, HIV. Meh, no big deal, right?

I'm not saying that someone stabbing your eyes out should get a free pass. Are we just sending them home with a "naughty boy, don't do that again" after they've stabbed someone in the head? Well maybe if they are a sports star, but average Joe has a far greater chance of going to jail for a couple decades if he stabs Jen in the head than if he "just" rapes her. So what on earth are you outraged about, anyway? Not like we aren't punishing these criminals "proportional" to their crimes.

So then you are angry that the perception of rape is evolving. Not a bad thing. It's a heinous and vicious crime and does deserve the spotlight.

Edited, Jan 31st 2013 3:08pm by Torrence
#159 Jan 31 2013 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are fatal STDs. That's not at all the problem with what you quoted.

Yeah, I guess. If you're raped, then die as a result, that's murder. See the problem? Adding other severe crimes to rape to make "rape" that much more serious sort of misses the point, doesn't it?

Oh, rape can be worse than being maimed if you get a fatal disease from it? Holy sh*t, you're right! You know what, if you're speeding and drive into a ditch full of TNT and it goes off, that's way worse than being raped and not dying. Let's make speeding punishible by death.

Fuck you people are stupid.


Yeah, the problem with what they said is that these consequences are not a necessary part of rape. The problem is that STDs are not necessarily a part of rape. The problem is not that these consequences are less serious than a certain kind of assault. The problem is not that STDs are less serious than blindness.

Now, what did your post identify as the problem? Let me take you by the fucking hand.

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Yeah, I guess. If you're raped, then die as a result, that's murder.


Are you making an ethical or legal claim? The latter is not necessarily true.
#160 Jan 31 2013 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you get stabbed with a rusty knife and then you get tetanus, that's worse than rape where you get *****-stabbed but no tetanus Smiley: schooled
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#161 Jan 31 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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What if they strapped a rusty knife coated in HIV to their *****?
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#162 Jan 31 2013 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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#163 Jan 31 2013 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Torrence wrote:

I'm not saying that someone stabbing your eyes out should get a free pass.
Really? When I read between your words, skipped over some parts, distorted your language and meanings a bit, then simply decided that for a response I'd just go with what i assume you said - that's exactly what I read.

Weird.











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#164 Jan 31 2013 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, the problem with what they said is that these consequences are not a necessary part of rape. The problem is that STDs are not necessarily a part of rape. The problem is not that these consequences are less serious than a certain kind of assault. The problem is not that STDs are less serious than blindness.


Except, that I didn't say that they were a necessary part of rape. What I said was, "if" these things happened in addition to the rape, it makes it even worse. Which it does. So in that case, not only are you walking around with a broken spirit because someone violated your body without your consent and caused you psychological and quite possibly physical pain in the process, but now you have an extra reminder in the form of a disease you have to deal with or a pregnancy you now have to decide how to handle.

Is murder a terrible crime? Sure. Is someone stabbing your eyes out a violent and vicious act that ought to be punished? Yep again. If someone chops off your arms should they be tossed in jail and should you be afforded justice and sympathy?

Of course, but we can't use those as excuses for ignoring rape as a crime. It's a crime, and no amount of "but, but, it could be worse!!!!" can change that.
#165 Jan 31 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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If you get stabbed with a rusty knife and then you get tetanus, that's worse than rape where you get *****-stabbed but no tetanus Smiley: schooled


But better than a ***** stab where you do get tetanus.
#166 Jan 31 2013 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Who in God's name is denying it's a crime. The argument (and heaven forgive me for opining on this idiotic topic when I could be debating how many inches are in a foot) is that we, as a society and reflected in our legal system, place more weight on rape as a crime than it perhaps objectively deserves when weighed against other forms of assault or bodily harm. We do so because of society's views on sex, virtue and other related things.

I don't really have a strong opinion on whether this argument has merit but it's not a difficult argument to noodle out.

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#167 Jan 31 2013 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Torrence wrote:

Of course, but we can't use those as excuses for ignoring rape as a crime. It's a crime, and no amount of "but, but, it could be worse!!!!" can change that.
Show me where in this thread someone advocated for rape to be ignored?


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#168 Jan 31 2013 at 2:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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What if they strapped a rusty knife coated in HIV to their *****?

Oh, someone else liked that movie, "Se7en"? Smiley: nod
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Of course, but we can't use those as excuses for ignoring rape as a crime.

Nope, we can. All of my posts have been arguing for ignoring rape as a crime.

Your rhetorical powers are astonishing.
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#170 Jan 31 2013 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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The argument (and heaven forgive me for opining on this idiotic topic when I could be debating how many inches are in a foot) is that we, as a society and reflected in our legal system, place more weight on rape as a crime than it perhaps objectively deserves when weighed against other forms of assault or bodily harm.


Yea but why address that when I can just make **** up?

I don't see us as a society really punishing rapists disproportionately in relation to other crimes. In many cases, rapists aren't even arrested. The nearest data I can find is from 09 in which 25% of those rapes reported even resulted in an arrest. That's not even conviction - That's just arrests. Are we really convicting as many rapists and as severely as is being suggested?
#171 Jan 31 2013 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
The argument (and heaven forgive me for opining on this idiotic topic when I could be debating how many inches are in a foot) is that we, as a society and reflected in our legal system, place more weight on rape as a crime than it perhaps objectively deserves when weighed against other forms of assault or bodily harm.


Yea but why address that when I can just make sh*t up?

I don't see us as a society really punishing rapists disproportionately in relation to other crimes. In many cases, rapists aren't even arrested. The nearest data I can find is from 09 in which 25% of those rapes reported even resulted in an arrest. That's not even conviction - That's just arrests. Are we really convicting as many rapists and as severely as is being suggested?


I'm curious, how many rape cases that actually get a conviction are statutory vs other? I'd be willing to bet the ratio of statutory rape cases is fairly high, because it seems to me that it's usually easier to collect evidence and prosecute.
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I'm curious, how many rape cases that actually get a conviction are statutory vs other? I'd be willing to bet the ratio of statutory rape cases is fairly high, because it seems to me that it's usually easier to collect evidence and prosecute.


I'd agree. Those cases of statuatory (without force) rapes probably have a higher percentage just because of parent outrage and the kids usually not denying the act took place. Still, that's a separate issue and not one I disagreed with Smasharoo on. No way do I think 19 year old Joe should spend a decade in jail because 17 year old Jenny's mom found out they were having sex and blew a gasket.

But it's definitely harder to get a conviction on a rape than to get one on a guy who poured sulfuric acid in your eyes. Hell, if RAINN can be believed 97% of arrested rapists that actually make it to a trial don't even spend a day in jail. I don't really see us as a society making much of an example of rapists in the way that is being suggested.

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Torrence wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The argument (and heaven forgive me for opining on this idiotic topic when I could be debating how many inches are in a foot) is that we, as a society and reflected in our legal system, place more weight on rape as a crime than it perhaps objectively deserves when weighed against other forms of assault or bodily harm.


Yea but why address that when I can just make sh*t up?

I don't see us as a society really punishing rapists disproportionately in relation to other crimes. In many cases, rapists aren't even arrested. The nearest data I can find is from 09 in which 25% of those rapes reported even resulted in an arrest. That's not even conviction - That's just arrests. Are we really convicting as many rapists and as severely as is being suggested?

You're really conflating a couple different things here. The ability to prosecute and the sentencing.


Edited, Jan 31st 2013 3:49pm by trickybeck
#174 Jan 31 2013 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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#175 Jan 31 2013 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Worst. Thread. Ever.

This.
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Yeah, I'm done. I feel violated by the quality of this thread. I took nine showers, but I still feel dirty.
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