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#202 Feb 05 2013 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's not to say that such things are always avoidable, but it really does seem like young women are being taught to abrogate their responsibilities by assuming that the law will somehow protect them after the fact. I think that's a terrible approach and is more harmful than helpful.


You are absolutely right. A better approach would be to teach men that it is wrong to threaten, imply threat, or in some other way indicate that unless a woman has *** with him, bad things might happen. The best approach is to deter men, who are usually the controlling force in the situation, from raping.

Soooo.... How do you propose we do that if not by writing laws with strong enough language that a potential rapist (regardless of the severity of the intended rape) thinks twice before dropping his zipper?

Women should be more responsible for themselves, yes.. But we can't just absolve men of responsibility, either. If a man doesn't think he can handle the word "no" in the right way, he should stop the situation before it even gets to that point. It's never the right decision to force someone to have ***.
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Women should be more responsible for themselves, yes.. But we can't just absolve men of responsibility, either.


This sounds remarkably like the toilet seat debate.
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#204 Feb 05 2013 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Eh, toilet seats, it's just as much effort for me to lift a seat as it is for someone else to lower it.

To be honest though, I rarely stand when using a toilet anyway,
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#205 Feb 05 2013 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.
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I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.


I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?
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#208 Feb 05 2013 at 3:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lets say you leave the seat down, then forget to raise it when it's your turn. Does the thoughtfulness cancel out any residual dampness?
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#209 Feb 05 2013 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eh, toilet seats, it's just as much effort for me to lift a seat as it is for someone else to lower it.
It's not the effort to lift or lower it. It's the effort of looking at it before sitting to confirm that it's down, apparently.
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Eh, toilet seats, it's just as much effort for me to lift a seat as it is for someone else to lower it.
It's not the effort to lift or lower it. It's the effort of looking at it before sitting to confirm that it's down, apparently.
Which I never really understood anyway. When I enter a bathroom, I always check the toilet seat position and the location of the backup toilet paper. No squat-waddling around looking for it amidst an emergency for me.

It's as ingrained in my system as the keys-wallet-cellphone check.

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I always lower the seat and the cover.

Likewise. Then I ****. Take that, women!
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#213 Feb 05 2013 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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That's not to say that such things are always avoidable, but it really does seem like young women are being taught to abrogate their responsibilities by assuming that the law will somehow protect them after the fact. I think that's a terrible approach and is more harmful than helpful.


You are absolutely right. A better approach would be to teach men that it is wrong to threaten, imply threat, or in some other way indicate that unless a woman has *** with him, bad things might happen.


While we're at it, can we just teach people not to steal or kill as well? I mean, if that's the solution, then what are we waiting for?

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The best approach is to deter men, who are usually the controlling force in the situation, from raping.


Sure. No one's denying that. The question is about what is the best way to do that.

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Soooo.... How do you propose we do that if not by writing laws with strong enough language that a potential rapist (regardless of the severity of the intended rape) thinks twice before dropping his zipper?


The problem is the disconnect between what many feminist groups tell women the law *should be* and the way the actual law works. This makes women think that the laws protecting them are stronger than what they actually are. So they think that if they say no to their date and he proceeds anyway, that they now have the law on their side and can go to the police after the fact and get him thrown in jail for his crime. And when the reality of the law determines that there's nowhere near enough evidence of rape to proceed, no amount of her complaining about how "the woman who gave the date rape talk in freshman orientation said that no means no, and rape is rape, so what he did was rape" is going to help her.

The fact is that we can't make our laws "strong enough" to allow convictions for rape where the only evidence of rape is the woman's word. Ever. Not without chucking out the most basic protections we all have under the law (burden of guilt on the prosecution). So that approach not only isn't "best", but is dangerous for the reason I outlined above. Instead of teaching young women to believe in a fairy tale of a system that will protect them, we should teach them the reality of the law, and what not to do if they don't want to end out in that situation. What we should not be doing is telling them that saying no is some magical talisman that will protect them.

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Women should be more responsible for themselves, yes.. But we can't just absolve men of responsibility, either. If a man doesn't think he can handle the word "no" in the right way, he should stop the situation before it even gets to that point. It's never the right decision to force someone to have ***.


What he "should do" is wonderful if we assume everyone obeys the rules. But we know that some percentage of the people wont. Your approach basically relies on bad people choosing not to do bad things. That seems unlikely to work.
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#214 Feb 05 2013 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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Simultaneously? And is the order important?

If you're very, very lucky, they do it in that order.
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Belkira wrote:
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I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.

I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?

Sometimes, it matters enough to drag your spouse out of bed at four in the fucking morning to make him lift the toilet seat.
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#216 Feb 05 2013 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I grew up in a house with three sisters and my mother. To this day, I still put the seat back down after I ****.
#217 Feb 05 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.

I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?

Sometimes, it matters enough to drag your spouse out of bed at four in the fucking morning to make him lift the toilet seat.


Wait... lift the seat...? Does your wife pee standing up, too?
#219 Feb 05 2013 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I grew up in a house with three sisters and my mother. To this day, I still put the seat back down after I ****.


If I lived with that many women I'd personally make sure to always leave it up. Even when I didn't use the toilet, if I walked into the bathroom for any reason I'd raise the seat.
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Finally the topic cycled to something interesting.
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Belkira wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.


I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?


It should always be down, due to odour. As you say, to lift it is no trouble.
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So when did the GOP enlist the services of Jay-Z, Kanye, and the gang?
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#223 Feb 06 2013 at 12:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you lower the seat and lid prior to flushing, it also prevents the invisible, aerosolized plume of fecal water from spraying about the bathroom and your toothbrush. If that kind of thing bothers you.

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If you lower the seat and lid prior to flushing, it also prevents the invisible, aerosolized plume of fecal water from spraying about the bathroom and your toothbrush. If that kind of thing bothers you.



I read about that once, so I always close both before I flush. I'm not sure I believe it, though. I think some neo-**** feminist group started spreading that to thwart male dominance of the bathroom.

Or something.
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Belkira wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.

I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?

Sometimes, it matters enough to drag your spouse out of bed at four in the fucking morning to make him lift the toilet seat.


Wait... lift the seat...? Does your wife pee standing up, too?

Er...lower. I should make her lift it.
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#226 Feb 06 2013 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
trickybeck wrote:

If you lower the seat and lid prior to flushing, it also prevents the invisible, aerosolized plume of fecal water from spraying about the bathroom and your toothbrush. If that kind of thing bothers you.



I read about that once, so I always close both before I flush. I'm not sure I believe it, though. I think some neo-**** feminist group started spreading that to thwart male dominance of the bathroom.

Or something.
Pop science shows and magazines like this topic because it's easy to prove and has that all important human curiosity/squick factor going on. Plus someone in the family always wants someone else in the family to watch it, so they can go: "SEE!".

I always lower the lid before flushing, now. I miss my childhood home with the enclosed toilet separated off from the bathroom. Smiley: frown
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If you lower the seat and lid prior to flushing, it also prevents the invisible, aerosolized plume of fecal water from spraying about the bathroom and your toothbrush. If that kind of thing bothers you.

That fecal matter started in me and back into me it shall go. It's the circle of life.
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If you lower the seat and lid prior to flushing, it also prevents the invisible, aerosolized plume of fecal water from spraying about the bathroom and your toothbrush. If that kind of thing bothers you.

That fecal matter started in me and back into me it shall go. It's the circle of life.
Sure, but does your wife want to also feast on your nanopoo-bits?

I keep my toothbrush in the vanity drawer to avoid just this scenario.

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Maybe he's married to Cartman's mom.
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Sure, but does your wife want to also feast on your nanopoo-bits?

Phrased like that, probably not but realistically if you live with someone you already share the same internal flora and fauna.
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I always lower the seat and the cover. You can lift or lower them both at the same time, so if it's established that the cover is always down, everyone does an equal amount of lifting and lowering.


I can't believe people are really that concerned with toilet seats. It doesn't take that much of an effort to raise or lower a toilet seat. Why does it matter what position it's left in?


It should always be down, due to odour. As you say, to lift it is no trouble.


Or you could just clean the toilet.
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#232 Feb 06 2013 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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That fecal matter started in me and back into me it shall go. It's the circle of life.


I just brush my teeth in the shower. No TP in my beard or on my clothes (usually) that way!
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