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#77 Jan 29 2013 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rape is terrible. Everyone knows.


No, they don't. Plenty of people are of the opinion that certain kinds of rape are, if not perfectly acceptable, not a particularly big deal. You know, people like gbaji.

Pretty disingenuous thing for you to say.

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Funniest thing I ever heard.

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#78 Jan 29 2013 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a forceful physical act - it's not fun. It's scary, it's unnerving

But physically, the effects of coitus are not so bad. In fact some people even enjoy ***. So, why do you think the psychological effects are so much more traumatic from rape than other forms of violence against a person?

Also on an internet forum it's always risky business to assume you know anything about others may or may not have endured.


I don't understand how you can say that physically the results are "not so bad." A lot of the time women are riped open because they are fighting the abuse. And in addition to having your ****** torn open and left bleeding, they are also beaten into submission first. Their body is not only bruised, but they have been violated.

And are you suggesting that someone might find being raped "enjoyable" simpy because *** is often enjoyed??
#79 Jan 29 2013 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Upon rereading, I think the issue, Elinda, is that you wrongly assume that the cause of trauma is singular - that there's only one explanation, and that it's "hangups about ***".

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 3:34pm by Eske
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#82 Jan 29 2013 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:

And are you suggesting that someone might find being raped "enjoyable" simpy because *** is often enjoyed??
No. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that. I don't always enjoy *** even when I consent to it.

If you want to talk about rape with assault we can do that. Why would rape be so traumatic that a woman would hurt herself before allowing it to happen?


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#83 Jan 29 2013 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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I blame you.

PS: Elinda, I revised my post above, if you're at all curious. Reposted here:

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Upon rereading, I think the issue, Elinda, is that you wrongly assume that the cause of trauma is singular - that there's only one explanation, and that it's "hangups about ***".


Your second question, about why it's more traumatic than other forms of violence, begs the question, assuming that the cause of the trauma is singular, and therefor can serve as the only explanation for rape being "more traumatic". Obviously, I think rape is traumatic for a variety of reasons. And looking back, I'm not sure what to make of the "more traumatic than other forms of violence" claim, too.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 3:41pm by Eske
#84 Jan 29 2013 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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And are you suggesting that someone might find being raped "enjoyable" simpy because *** is often enjoyed??
No. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that. I don't always enjoy *** even when I consent to it.

If you want to talk about rape with assault we can do that. Why would rape be so traumatic that a woman would hurt herself before allowing it to happen?




Then I have no idea what your point is about *** being enjoyable when talking about rape.

And why wouldn't a woman fight back if someone is trying to violate her?

I don't think it's a "hang up about ***" if you expect not to be forced into having it when you don't want to.
#85 Jan 29 2013 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
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Upon rereading, I think the issue, Elinda, is that you wrongly assume that the cause of trauma is singular - that there's only one explanation, and that it's "hangups about ***".

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 3:34pm by Eske
No, any crime against a person is traumatic. Your house is broken into and you might be so fearful of it happening again that you can't sleep or work or whatever - that's trauma.

You're physically assaulted - it hurts, it's painful, it's disruptive and additionally there is the fear of it happening again - very traumatic.

So if you're raped there might be pain, there is loss of control, and certainly fear - all that stuff that comes with a physical assault.

But what is it about rape particularly? I didn't mean to simply brush it off as a *** hang-up. It's a societal thing. A woman who is raped feels dirty, non-virtuous, debauched. They're real feelings. ****, woman are embarrassed about being raped. So much so that rape often goes unreported. Worse yet, some woman will blame themselves.
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#86 Jan 29 2013 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Why would rape be so traumatic that a woman would hurt herself before allowing it to happen?


HIV, the clap, herpes, babies, ew sperm, etc...

I guess you're saying that if a man approached you with the pretense that he was going to **** you whether you liked it or not, you'd rather allow it to happen than attempt to physically reject his advance, but I call ******** on that, or maybe you're just mentally deficient.
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#87 Jan 29 2013 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda's being baiting controversy a lot lately. Frankly, I see it as a call for attention.
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#88 Jan 29 2013 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
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And why wouldn't a woman fight back if someone is trying to violate her?

That's basically the same question I asked.

What are we instructed to do if we're being robbed? Give the robber whatever he/she wants - it's only money it's not worth getting hurt or killed over.

Why aren't we given those instructions if we're being raped?


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Elinda's being baiting controversy a lot lately. Frankly, I see it as a call for attention.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
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#90 Jan 29 2013 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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And why wouldn't a woman fight back if someone is trying to violate her?

That's basically the same question I asked.

What are we instructed to do if we're being robbed? Give the robber whatever he/she wants - it's only money it's not worth getting hurt or killed over.

Why aren't we given those instructions if we're being raped?




I don't think it is your intention, but you just compared a woman's body to a wad of cash. Being robbed is nothing like assault. I have never heard anyone suggest that if someone wants to beat you up you should just let them. Suggesting that a woman simpy submit to her rapist is twisted.

Edit: To answer your why fight question, by the way? Because you might be able to avoid getting raped.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 3:10pm by Belkira
#91 Jan 29 2013 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Belkira wrote:


And why wouldn't a woman fight back if someone is trying to violate her?

That's basically the same question I asked.

What are we instructed to do if we're being robbed? Give the robber whatever he/she wants - it's only money it's not worth getting hurt or killed over.

Why aren't we given those instructions if we're being raped?


sh*t, now I know you're just trolling. C'mon now. Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 4:09pm by Eske
#92 Jan 29 2013 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
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I guess you're saying that if a man approached you with the pretense that he was going to @#%^ you whether you liked it or not, you'd rather allow it to happen than attempt to physically reject his advance, but I call bullsh*t on that, or maybe you're just mentally deficient.
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

You're full of crap. Women aren't thinking of STD's or pregnancy when they're getting raped. You can diseases from all sorts of interpersonal encounters.

If your rapist has AIDS, you're much more likely to contract the disease if you have an open wound. You'd be risking less to let it happen and avoid getting an open wounds. Most of your non-bloodborne STD's are curable. You can get an abortion or use a morning after bill if you get knocked up.

Why should a woman fight off a raper? Why does a woman fight off a raper?

Rape is traumatic. It's more traumatic than other physical crimes because it's involves ***.




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#93 Jan 29 2013 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
It's more traumatic than other physical crimes because it's involves ***.


Yes, but not for the reasons you previously stated.
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#94 Jan 29 2013 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Belkira wrote:


And why wouldn't a woman fight back if someone is trying to violate her?

That's basically the same question I asked.

What are we instructed to do if we're being robbed? Give the robber whatever he/she wants - it's only money it's not worth getting hurt or killed over.

Why aren't we given those instructions if we're being raped?


sh*t, now I know you're just trolling. C'mon now. Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 4:09pm by Eske
You can't answer the question?

I'm not trolling. You're trolling.




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#95 Jan 29 2013 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
It's more traumatic than other physical crimes because it's involves ***.


Yes, but not for the reasons you previously stated.

Oh, yeah, its because of STD's and pregnancy. Someone already said so.


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#96 Jan 29 2013 at 3:26 PM Rating: Default
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Edit: To answer your why fight question, by the way? Because you might be able to avoid getting raped.

...or you might get killed.

Small price to pay to avoid letting a strange mans weany into your precious lil vag eh?
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#97 Jan 29 2013 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It's more traumatic than other physical crimes because it's involves ***.


Yes, but not for the reasons you previously stated.

Oh, yeah, its because of STD's and pregnancy. Someone already said so.




And to possibly avoid getting raped...?

ETA: I honestly cannot believe the amount of stupid flying from your keyboard today.

Edited, Jan 29th 2013 3:28pm by Belkira
#98 Jan 29 2013 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have never heard anyone suggest that if someone wants to beat you up you should just let them.
Really? If you're actually able to fight someone off, or yell for help, great. Most of the time you'll just hurt your attacker a little bit which will end up making them hurt you more.
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#99 Jan 29 2013 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not trolling. You're trolling.


No U, etc. etc. [:dismissivehandwave:]
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Elinda wrote:
What are we instructed to do if we're being robbed? Give the robber whatever he/she wants - it's only money it's not worth getting hurt or killed over.

Why aren't we given those instructions if we're being raped?


In addition to the obvious answer that she may be able to avoid being raped, I'll inject my patented "because that way there will be marks" response. I know that lots of people like to ridicule my arguments regarding rape, but the reality is that when there is no physical evidence that *** was non-consensual, it's much harder for the woman to actually do anything to her attacker legally. We can sit back and say that "rape is rape" and if trials were all held inside the head of the victim that would be sufficient. But trials are held in public, and the victim has to prove to a jury that she was raped. Anything that helps provide that proof is beneficial *if* the objective is to punish the rapist.


BTW, this isn't some magical requirement of rape. If someone walks up to you and demands money from your wallet, but does not hit you or harm you in any way, only takes money (so nothing identifiable), and there are no other witnesses to the event, you'll also have a hard time proving you were robbed. He can say "It didn't happen", and burden of proof will be on his side every time. The difference? Most people aren't willing to suffer injury to protect the cash in their wallet. The crime isn't worth it. I would argue that rape is, or should be, worth suffering physical injury to avoid. Ultimately, its the victim choosing which form of trauma is worse though, with the result being that she'll tend to be judged (fairly or not) based on that decision.
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#101 Jan 29 2013 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I always find it odd that we only ever talk about rape as happening to women. I'm pretty sure men and boys are the victims of sexual assault sometimes, and not just har-har-har in prison.

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