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#52 Jan 26 2013 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, she can say whatever she wants as she tries to backpedal out of the spotlight. The text of the law clearly states that procuring an abortion is tampering with evidence. It also includes coercion but does not specify that coercion must take place for the law to apply.

Now if she wants to amend it to clearly state that this law never holds the mother culpable, she should do just that.
She's either grossly incompetent or a complete nut. Honestly, both are equally plausible considering the fact that she represents Carlsbad.

We really need to deal with people like this in the party. Smiley: mad
#53 Jan 28 2013 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I seem to recall that the whole unfairness of a congress made up mostly of men passing legislation about abortion was brought up fairly front and center the last time we had an abortion thread. And I'm pretty sure it was more than just one or two people arguing that since it only affects women then men should not have any say in it at all (even legislatively). Said opinion was generally disagreed with by the board as a whole as being ridiculous (and frankly unworkable in any real legal system), but it is an opinion that crops up in this subject with sufficient frequency to make note of.


Well, no one wants to make men feel like their thoughts and opinions don't matter, but this is the sort of legislation that has a far greater impact on women and that's why you will get folks asking you to step away from the table.

Being raped is traumatizing. It's just one of the most awful things that can ever happen. Ever. Mostly because often it's by someone you know and are supposed to be able to trust. Partly because feeling defenseless and powerless in any way breaks the human spirit. It's not something that the vast majority of men have had to deal with on the receiving end, and that's why when one of you trivializes it in any way, women react strongly. It's because we really feel that you just don't understand.

Besides that aspect, if I get raped, and as a result get pregnant, that's an issue that's happening to me. Only me. Not you, some random guy probably halfway across the world that I've never met. Why should your opinion on what I do after that matter?

If your opinion on what I will do in this specific instance doesn't matter, why should your opinion on what I can do on the issue in general matter?
#54 Jan 28 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, no one wants to make men feel like their thoughts and opinions don't matter,
You're not married, are you?
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#55 Jan 28 2013 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Torrence wrote:
Well, no one wants to make men feel like their thoughts and opinions don't matter,
You're not married, are you?


QFT.

Ironic linky. Smiley: lol


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#56 Jan 28 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
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Well, no one wants to make men feel like their thoughts and opinions don't matter,
You're not married, are you?


QFT.

Ironic linky. Smiley: lol


Are you saving up for your Porsche and/or motorbike yet? Before you know it you'll be in a midlife crisis and you'll have a desperate need to act "rebellious" again and pretend that you're cool.
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#57 Jan 28 2013 at 4:04 PM Rating: Default
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Torrence wrote:
Being raped is traumatizing. It's just one of the most awful things that can ever happen. Ever. Mostly because often it's by someone you know and are supposed to be able to trust. Partly because feeling defenseless and powerless in any way breaks the human spirit. It's not something that the vast majority of men have had to deal with on the receiving end, and that's why when one of you trivializes it in any way, women react strongly. It's because we really feel that you just don't understand.

So would it be better off if it were a random stranger?
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#58 Jan 28 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Torrence wrote:
Being raped is traumatizing. It's just one of the most awful things that can ever happen. Ever. Mostly because often it's by someone you know and are supposed to be able to trust. Partly because feeling defenseless and powerless in any way breaks the human spirit. It's not something that the vast majority of men have had to deal with on the receiving end, and that's why when one of you trivializes it in any way, women react strongly. It's because we really feel that you just don't understand.

So would it be better off if it were a random stranger?
Well, when it's someone you know the betrayal of trust is much greater. You're damaging a relationship that was supposed to be safe.
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#59 Jan 28 2013 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are you saving up for your Porsche and/or motorbike yet? Before you know it you'll be in a midlife crisis and you'll have a desperate need to act "rebellious" again and pretend that you're cool.

More likely will go with a really nice bicycle and an awesome computer. Then bring plumbing into the garage and live there like some kind of hermit, beard included of course. Then maybe add in a rebel flag and a shotgun and make menacing statements towards the neighbors. We'll see how it goes, wouldn't want to overdo it. These kinds of things really have to be more spur of the moment to be rebellious enough anyway.
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#60 Jan 28 2013 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't do the bicycle midlife crisis. It's a BAD idea. Seriously, those are the guys in their 50's with a beer belly wearing too tight cycling pants and shirt and thinking they still have the reflexes they had 30 years ago. At least a motorcycle and a leather jacket look cool from a distance.
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#61 Jan 28 2013 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Always go the route of the 63 year old in the city I work. Chains, biker clothing, looking like a badass. Gets on a bicycle and rides around town.
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Always go the route of the 63 year old in the city I work. Chains, biker clothing, looking like a badass. Gets on a bicycle and rides around town.


I would fear that guy more than one that rides on a motorcycle. A guy like that doesn't give two ***** about social constructs nor about anyone else. Smiley: laugh
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I would fear that guy more than one that rides on a motorcycle. A guy like that doesn't give two sh*ts about social constructs nor about anyone else. Smiley: laugh


Guy is pretty cool. Was at the library when I first was close enough and asked when his Harley would be out the shop. Looked at me stoic and said "When you stop driving a Honda"

If it's a Puerto Rican they have or are driving a Honda. Love racial sterotypes Smiley: laugh
#64 Jan 28 2013 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, when it's someone you know the betrayal of trust is much greater. You're damaging a relationship that was supposed to be safe.


On the other hand you're probably not in dire fear for your life.

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Being raped is traumatizing. It's just one of the most awful things that can ever happen. Ever. Mostly because often it's by someone you know and are supposed to be able to trust. Partly because feeling defenseless and powerless in any way breaks the human spirit. It's not something that the vast majority of men have had to deal with on the receiving end, and that's why when one of you trivializes it in any way, women react strongly. It's because we really feel that you just don't understand.

Rape is terrible. Everyone knows. Now lighten the fuck up. Murder is worse, people joke about murder all the time. Haha murder! What could be funnier than stealing the one life a human being is given, ending his existence, intentionally because of some arbitrary decision one has come to when judging another. Laugh riot. Someone touched the magic underpants area without permission?? Let's all be very serious. Very, very, serious. Maybe throw in a FEW murder jokes to lighten the mood.
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Well, when it's someone you know the betrayal of trust is much greater. You're damaging a relationship that was supposed to be safe.
On the other hand you're probably not in dire fear for your life.

That's why you should make an attempt to get to know your rapist. Not well enough to break trust, but not so casually that he doesn't care about you either. It's a balancing act.
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#67 Jan 29 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not really. You're more likely to be killed by someone you know, too.
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Not really. You're more likely to be killed by someone you know, too.

Maybe you are. I'm not a **** who my family hates.
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#69 Jan 29 2013 at 8:11 AM Rating: Default
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I'm just saying this once, I'd rather be forcefully poked in the pee-er against my will than stabbed in the face.

Rape is the traumatic deal that it is because of our collective hang-ups about ***.
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#70 Jan 29 2013 at 8:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Rape is the traumatic deal that it is because of our collective hang-ups about ***.


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#71 Jan 29 2013 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's also because *** is still a major vector for diseases.
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#72 Jan 29 2013 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's also because *** is still a major vector for diseases.

It's not nice to talk about children that way.

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#73 Jan 29 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Rape is the traumatic deal that it is because of our collective hang-ups about ***.


Yeah, that's not what makes rape traumatic. But, hey, if it happens to one if your loved ones, I'm sure you'll be able to brush it aside by telling the other person to just lighten up, it's just ***.
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Rape is the traumatic deal that it is because of our collective hang-ups about ***.


Yeah, that's not what makes rape traumatic. But, hey, if it happens to one if your loved ones, I'm sure you'll be able to brush it aside by telling the other person to just lighten up, it's just ***.

It's a forceful physical act - it's not fun. It's scary, it's unnerving

But physically, the effects of coitus are not so bad. In fact some people even enjoy ***. So, why do you think the psychological effects are so much more traumatic from rape than other forms of violence against a person?

Also on an internet forum it's always risky business to assume you know anything about others may or may not have endured.
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#75 Jan 29 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Rape is the traumatic deal that it is because of our collective hang-ups about ***.


Yeah, that's not what makes rape traumatic. But, hey, if it happens to one if your loved ones, I'm sure you'll be able to brush it aside by telling the other person to just lighten up, it's just ***.


So, why do you think the psychological effects are so much more traumatic from rape than other forms of violence against a person?


There are reasons, of course, but that's a choice phrasing that you used - you're moving the goalposts.
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There are reasons, of course, but that's a choice phrasing that you used - you're moving the goalposts.
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