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#77 Jan 26 2013 at 12:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't believe you feign it either.
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#78 Jan 28 2013 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
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So, I saw on the news yesterday that women will have to apply for positions and units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women. That's a good balance of fair and equality.
#79 Jan 28 2013 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women.


The articles I read said those units would have to make the case as to why they wanted to deny them.
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So, I saw on the news yesterday that women will have to apply for positions and units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women. That's a good balance of fair and equality.


Actually, that suspiciously sounds like the process for men....
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#81 Jan 29 2013 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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And I have no problem with units holding women entrants to the exact same fitness requirements (length and time of runs, weight carrying, no of sit-ups etc) as men.

There are reasons why a very smart/talented person of lesser fitness might be an asset to a unit, but when the issue is an elite unit like special forces, then the entrance requirements demand the best of the best, including outstanding strength, stamina and flexibility.
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when the issue is an elite unit like special forces, then the entrance requirements demand the best of the best, including outstanding strength, stamina and flexibility.

Not really. You have to be a good shot and determined. Most the physical testing revolves around the determined part. No one cares if you're a triathlete if you can go three days without food and still hit a target from 1000 yards.
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So fat reserves are a plus?
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So, I saw on the news yesterday that women will have to apply for positions and units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women. That's a good balance of fair and equality.

We need more fairness and equality in the form of special forces units comprised entirely of sexy women.

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#86 Jan 29 2013 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
So, I saw on the news yesterday that women will have to apply for positions and units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women. That's a good balance of fair and equality.
Actually, that suspiciously sounds like the process for men....
Probably because it is.
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#87 Jan 29 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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So fat reserves are a plus?

Actually, yeah. To a point, of course; that is, like triatheletes and other extreme stamina needs, some amount of reserves are beneficial. Enough reserves to hibernate through a Siberian winter, probably not so much.
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Almalieque wrote:
So, I saw on the news yesterday that women will have to apply for positions and units (i.e. special forces) still reserve the right to deny women. That's a good balance of fair and equality.


Actually, that suspiciously sounds like the process for men....


It sounds like you're confusing simply being in combat arms vs Special Forces. That is the same process for special units, but it is NOT the same for combat arms units. There are a lot of men in combat arms that shouldn't be there. They eventually get kicked out or changed to another job.

In the Army, you may request to be in what you want, but more times than not, it comes down to the "needs of the Army", so you might end up in the Infantry. Simply being a guy doesn't qualify you, but sending a woman there is setting her up for failure as the odds are against her. Allowing a capable woman to join the Infantry is totally fair in my opinion.

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And I have no problem with units holding women entrants to the exact same fitness requirements (length and time of runs, weight carrying, no of sit-ups etc) as men.


That wont happen. At least at the Army level, any time soon.
#89 Jan 29 2013 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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It sounds like you're confusing simply being in combat arms vs Special Forces. That is the same process for special units, but it is NOT the same for combat arms units. There are a lot of men in combat arms that shouldn't be there. They eventually get kicked out or changed to another job.


Nice try, buddy. We've all seen the US army in action.
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There are reasons why a very smart/talented person of lesser fitness might be an asset to a unit, but when the issue is an elite unit like special forces, then the entrance requirements demand the best of the best, including outstanding strength, stamina and flexibility.


Nope. If that was true then Doctors Jackson and McKay would never had made the cut! Smiley: schooled
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It sounds like you're confusing simply being in combat arms vs Special Forces. That is the same process for special units, but it is NOT the same for combat arms units. There are a lot of men in combat arms that shouldn't be there. They eventually get kicked out or changed to another job.


Nice try, buddy. We've all seen the US army in action.

Sure you have....Smiley: rolleyes
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Aripyanfar wrote:
There are reasons why a very smart/talented person of lesser fitness might be an asset to a unit, but when the issue is an elite unit like special forces, then the entrance requirements demand the best of the best, including outstanding strength, stamina and flexibility.


Nope. If that was true then Doctors Jackson and McKay would never had made the cut! Smiley: schooled
Who are Doctors Jackson and Mckay?
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#93 Jan 30 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
There are reasons why a very smart/talented person of lesser fitness might be an asset to a unit, but when the issue is an elite unit like special forces, then the entrance requirements demand the best of the best, including outstanding strength, stamina and flexibility.


Nope. If that was true then Doctors Jackson and McKay would never had made the cut! Smiley: schooled
Who are Doctors Jackson and Mckay?

Stargate...DUH!
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#95 Jan 30 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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We're going to have to put Elinda in the sci-fi penalty box for that one. Sheesh!
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