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#27 Jan 23 2013 at 7:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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#28 Jan 23 2013 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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I have no idea how much of his assessment concerning advancement is true.
I'll do you one better. I'll tell you that the only difference between male and female assessments is during the yearly required Army Physical Fitness Test where females have lower requirements across the board, and I'll also tell you that the APFT means about as much to a promotion as your ability to breathe is a requirement for you to get promoted. Yes, it's necessary you can do it, but your ability to somehow do it better doesn't really matter.

And now give it a few and you'll be told how what I just said is wrong because I'm biased and just can't see it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2013 7:06pm by lolgaxe


The husband is retired Navy and he's shaking his head about this. The fitness requirements for females is lower than males. The other reason that he's got an issue with this is that during Navy deployments, it was (anecdotally) common for female military members to get pregnant right before or at the very beginning of a deployment and be sent home and a replacement for her would not be sent. There were also issues with females having their periods and claiming that PMS cramps were interfering with them being able to go on duty.
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I have no idea how much of his assessment concerning advancement is true.
I'll do you one better. I'll tell you that the only difference between male and female assessments is during the yearly required Army Physical Fitness Test where females have lower requirements across the board, and I'll also tell you that the APFT means about as much to a promotion as your ability to breathe is a requirement for you to get promoted. Yes, it's necessary you can do it, but your ability to somehow do it better doesn't really matter.

And now give it a few and you'll be told how what I just said is wrong because I'm biased and just can't see it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2013 7:06pm by lolgaxe


The husband is retired Navy and he's shaking his head about this. The fitness requirements for females is lower than males. The other reason that he's got an issue with this is that during Navy deployments, it was (anecdotally) common for female military members to get pregnant right before or at the very beginning of a deployment and be sent home and a replacement for her would not be sent. There were also issues with females having their periods and claiming that PMS cramps were interfering with them being able to go on duty.
#30 Jan 23 2013 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I have no idea how much of his assessment concerning advancement is true.
I'll do you one better. I'll tell you that the only difference between male and female assessments is during the yearly required Army Physical Fitness Test where females have lower requirements across the board, and I'll also tell you that the APFT means about as much to a promotion as your ability to breathe is a requirement for you to get promoted. Yes, it's necessary you can do it, but your ability to somehow do it better doesn't really matter.

And now give it a few and you'll be told how what I just said is wrong because I'm biased and just can't see it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2013 7:06pm by lolgaxe


The husband is retired Navy and he's shaking his head about this. The fitness requirements for females is lower than males. The other reason that he's got an issue with this is that during Navy deployments, it was (anecdotally) common for female military members to get pregnant right before or at the very beginning of a deployment and be sent home and a replacement for her would not be sent. There were also issues with females having their periods and claiming that PMS cramps were interfering with them being able to go on duty.


From what I hear from my female counterparts is that they are mandated special treatment (i.e. showers, etc.) while in the field. I have no problem with the adaptation of women, but it often gets very financially wasteful.
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It's gbaji. I'm pretty sure you, like the rest of us, know exactly how likely it is to be accurate.
Jeez, Red; I thought you were sharing cemetary space with Rurode.

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#32 Jan 23 2013 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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The husband is retired Navy and he's shaking his head about this.
About what I said? Because it's shameful that I'm right or he disagrees? I mean, I'm just relating based on what I see so the Navy could be very well different. And yeah, females on the Army side sham as well with the same tactics, though my last go-'round we did get replacements. The lower requirements on the PT side are only really annoying when the same girls start complaining about equality. Anytime else it's pretty much a nonissue, since like I said all that test does is get you to the table. The difference between 180 and 350 is the shape of the numbers. I wish the military was a lot less like Whose Line Is it Anyway, but at this point I'm just relieved that we're finally barring PT Failures from re-enlistment. Anyway, I still think I'm right but any clarification would be appreciated. Even with the shamming, if she's friendly enough with the board she'll still get the same promotion like it didn't even happen. It's a joke. At least up to the 7 mark the board has been a relative joke. It's a little hard to even pretend there is going to be impartiality when you're sitting across from a guy who is there to decide whether or not you're qualified enough to get the promotion when the night before you went to a bar with him and got hammered. But meh, like I said, I'll take my small victory for now. I'd mention weapon qualifications, but the reality is you don't leave a range until you qualify so you can be there ten, twenty times a day for three days. Means the same as me going 40+/40.

I don't really care if women want to be on the front lines, and as far as combat prowess is concerned I don't feel it's an issue either. Frankly, I think women are much more aggressive anyway. And it isn't like men don't sham either so I don't believe that's a good enough reason to bar them. My issue is the every day activities in between combat. The only way they're getting showers during a day long march on the front line is if they build them. Of course, they can get the guys to do it for them, but I can't really say that'll last. Latrines are the same. At least when I was still doing the Infantry thing there certainly weren't any on our march routes. Maybe Afghanistan changed since then? Changing pads or tampons and whatever is going to be a pretty **** big issue, too.

I don't know. I think I'm just too tired of the system to even shake my head at how broken it is.

That, and the wife and kid are at the inlaws and I'm bored.
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#33 Jan 23 2013 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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The NVA dames seemed to do ok.
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The other reason that he's got an issue with this is that during Navy deployments, it was (anecdotally) common for female military members to get pregnant right before or at the very beginning of a deployment and be sent home and a replacement for her would not be sent. There were also issues with females having their periods and claiming that PMS cramps were interfering with them being able to go on duty.


I used to see that a fair amount as well. When I was in a mobility unit, we did a lot of TDY. As a computer maintenance shop we only had 3 women in our section, during my time I saw 2 of the 3 use those types of excuses. Both also used marital problems as excuses not to go too, though in fairness I suppose the married guys could have done the same. I think it would have been less effective somehow though.
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#35 Jan 23 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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Where it starts to get blurry for me though is I do believe that it puts fellow combatants at risk.
Meh, it's not even the combat. I'll tell the women the same thing I tell men now when they say they want to be Infantry: "How fast do you think you can dig a hole in the desert, drop trow, and crap wearing fifteen pounds of gear (not counting weapon and rucksack) with at least thirty other people walking around? How attached to showers are you?"

Edited, Jan 23rd 2013 8:35pm by lolgaxe


Smiley: lol Fair point as well.
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#36 Jan 23 2013 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why don't we just keep a set number of each rank and if you want to become a Corporal, for instance, you have to kill one of the existing Corporals in arena combat?


The romans tried that for a while. Marcus Brutus kept spawn camping the emperor though, so they had to switch to a system of election by silliest hat.
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#37 Jan 23 2013 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Females have in the past been portrayed as highly capable soldiers.

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Also, that Red Sonja. She was pretty capable.
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#39 Jan 24 2013 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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It's gbaji. I'm pretty sure you, like the rest of us, know exactly how likely it is to be accurate.


Hey, Red.

Did you go through with the Norway plan in the end? I'm thinking about jumping ship after graduation.
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I think this is fine in theory. I also think the news cyclone around the first straight white woman to die in a recently allowed combat role will break records for fake outrage from the right.
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Aren't you Canadian? You don't even let your men fight.
We don't need to. We can send in the french and the enemy just gives up in fear of being groped.
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#42 Jan 24 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can see that working. You know how much paperwork there would be when dealing with people surrendering en masse like that?
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Curious suddenly why women on front lines of combat aren't on the Depo shots or implana or whatever the current "no periods for 90 days" thing is. I do that with my daily pills now, but there's other once-every-three-months options that don't require daily effort.

I mean, why the fudge bother with all that grody when you don't have to? Smiley: dubious
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I think this is fine in theory. I also think the news cyclone around the first straight white woman to die in a recently allowed combat role will break records for fake outrage from the right.

And pretty, and blonde.
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I mean, why the fudge bother with all that grody when you don't have to? Smiley: dubious


Ah yes, all that grody. 50ml of blood, surely those who we put at the front lines of combat would swoon at the thought.

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Ah yes, all that grody. 50ml of blood, surely those who we put at the front lines of combat would swoon at the thought.
Walking around in bloody drawers for twelve hours in blistering heat sure sounds like a delight.
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Oh yes, I forgot, war is just so delightful.

Really, I was on board with Catwho's post with the depo shots, in theory. I mean, the government forces soldiers to take all sorts of crazy drugs, I don't think it's too extreme to ask a woman to not menstruate for several months to a year. Obviously it would be preferable for many reasons. Regardless, tampons are an invention of the last 50 years, if we can't find a way to rise above all the silly stereotypes and "ew" mentality of the female menstrual cycle during times of warfare, I really lose a lot of faith in our soldiers on the front line.
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Why would you want to do that? Graduates get to work for poundland for free, we're about to leave the EU,the whole country is being run by Serco, hamburgers are made of horsemeat, and the only real concern of the media is that our favourite **** prince likes to play videos games. How could it be better anywhere else?
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#49gbaji, Posted: Jan 24 2013 at 2:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A news cyclone would almost certainly derive from the left, given their control of the news. I'm sure you're correct, however, in that hundreds of liberal journalists will rush off to shove microphones in conservative politicians faces to ask them what they think, then make hay out of the answers. Assumption leading the day, of course.
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But... but... FOX News is the most popular news EVER!! Smiley: laugh
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It sure is disturbing the way the liberals control Fox News.
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