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#202 Jan 11 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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The backpedaling accusation is over the "some idiot conservative pundits" suggesting armed guards to dissuade mass shootings in school when it was the NRA who did.
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Quiet, you. Gbaji needs this.

Edit: Seriously? Firefox had "quirt" as a word?

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#204 Jan 11 2013 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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The NRA also suggested a national database of all people with mental illness (but vehemently opposes any attempts of the same for gun registry, because that's just a danger waiting to happen). And also blamed over the top games like Bulletstorm for the gun violence. Because a game focusing on futuristic space androids, fighting off a planet filled with mutants, and using over-the-top weapons to kill an evil army commander is very realistic. Really he just said that game cause the name was... BULLETSTORM! and people would react to the name alone.
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#206 Jan 11 2013 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Edit: Seriously? Firefox had "quirt" as a word?

Edited, Jan 11th 2013 5:19pm by Jophiel


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Yeah, I already looked it up. But for the number of more "normal" words I've put in and had FF red-flag, I wouldn't have expected to get burned on "quirt" Smiley: laugh

I'll admit that Bulletstorm made me want to punch someone. Like the guy who made "Bulletstorm". Man, that game sucked.

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#208 Jan 11 2013 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll admit that Bulletstorm made me want to punch someone. Like the guy who made "Bulletstorm". Man, that game sucked.

Edited, Jan 11th 2013 5:34pm by Jophiel


At least it wasn't Duke Nukem level of suck.
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The backpedaling accusation is over the "some idiot conservative pundits" suggesting armed guards to dissuade mass shootings in school when it was the NRA who did.


That would not be a backpedal though. That would be a completely bizarre interpretation of what was written. I don't think Joph was saying that it wasn't idiot pundits saying this, but was *instead* the NRA saying this. I think he was saying it was *also* the NRA saying this.

I'm assuming that Joph viewed my statement that there's nothing wrong with the NRA recommending armed guards at schools, but just not as a means to prevent mass shootings, as a backpedal from my earlier statement about those idiot conservative pundits recommending armed guards at schools. But since my original statement about idiot conservatives also included the caveat about preventing mass shootings, it's not really a backpedal at all. Both statements were consistent.

Since I don't know at all the context of the alleged NRA statements Joph is talking about, I can't say if theirs *also* are being made for the same stupid reasons. But if they are, then they are also stupid. Not sure what the problem is here. I don't think that armed guards at schools is a good solution to the problem of mass shootings. Period. Doesn't matter if some pundit says it., or the NRA, or the voices in your head. It's a poor solution to the problem.
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#210 Jan 11 2013 at 7:43 PM Rating: Default
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Not backpedaling at all.


You most certainly did in our discussion that you abandoned.
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Not backpedaling at all.


You most certainly did in our discussion that you abandoned.


Trust me. I don't know what discussion you're talking about, but I'm 99.999999% positive I didn't abandon it out of a fear that someone might accuse me of backpedaling.
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Not backpedaling at all.


You most certainly did in our discussion that you abandoned.


Trust me. I don't know what discussion you're talking about, but I'm 99.999999% positive I didn't abandon it out of a fear that someone might accuse me of backpedaling.


Our discussion on the misleading term "law abiding citizen", I guess it's the 0.000001%.
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Not backpedaling at all.


You most certainly did in our discussion that you abandoned.


Trust me. I don't know what discussion you're talking about, but I'm 99.999999% positive I didn't abandon it out of a fear that someone might accuse me of backpedaling.


Our discussion on the misleading term "law abiding citizen", I guess it's the 0.000001%.


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Very disappointing ending to that movie.

Jamie Foxx's character learns nothing and continues to do what he does best, look out for himself. Despite his one stupid line at the end as he shoots Gerard Butler.

I always thought a better ending would be if that final scene in the cell, Butler was going to disarm the bomb, but Jamie shooting Butler's character stops him and the bomb goes off. That if he hadn't shot Butler, everything would have worked out better for him. But by taking his normal way out, the easy way out, he chose wrong. Jamie's characters actions again cause bad things to happen. Just like in the beginning of the movie. Struck twice, he truly has a reason to change. Instead they go the route of "Kill Butler, the man Jamie had truly wronged, and then just show him with his family at the end, so he changed!"

Also, it would have been much better if it hadn't been Butler sneaking out of prison each night to do it all, if he had instead truly had friends and super secret ties to people to do the things.

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#215 Jan 12 2013 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Put very simply, and I'm sure Gbaji will scramble to insist this wasn't the case, Gbaji tried to imply that "Armed guards in every school!" was some marginalized and minority opinion from a couple "idiot pundits".

In reality, it's a majority opinion among the pro-gun sect. One being promoted by one of the largest and most powerful lobbying organizations in the country. It's not some fringe idea or concept held by "idiots", it's what a whole lot of people promote. In fact, when the NRA announced it, they tried to get ahead of the blowback with the usual ham-handed conservative remarks of "Oh, I know the media will say..." but then offered a full-throated defense of the idea including details about including armed volunteers and retired law-enforcement and military in every school. This is their plan.

Gbaji almost certainly had no idea of this which is why he implied it was some fringe concept. Upon learning that the NRA is promoting it, he's trying to reframe it. That's fine but the initial posts speak for themselves.
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I kind of feel sorry for Gbaji. It just seems like he so desperately wants the things he says to be true. I'm not even sure he believes half the things he says or if that's how he wishes the world works.
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I kind of feel sorry for Gbaji. It just seems like he so desperately wants the things he says to be true. I'm not even sure he believes half the things he says or if that's how he wishes the world works.


I don't know, I personally think he absolutely loves playing devil's advocate therefor he does it with anything regardless what it may be. He uses the wall-o-text in an attempt to hide that he doesn't know what he is talking about and as a way to confuse posters from figuring out what he is saying. Unfortunately for him, most of us can see through the smoke screen and catch him when he messes up. Is he a republican? Probably. Does he truly believe half of what he posts? I doubt it.

Remember there wouldn't be quite as much discussion in the Asylum if everyone was agreeing with each other on subjects. Gbaji decided to take up that burden of being the voice of argument. I just wish he wasn't so wrapped up in the concept of being so anti-everything and tries to meet us in the middle.
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Remember there wouldn't be quite as much discussion in the Asylum if everyone was agreeing with each other on subjects. Gbaji decided to take up that burden of being the voice of argument.

Nonsense, he's been like this since the uBB days. In times where there were a lot more posters with conservative viewpoints (and usually better stated ones as well). Gbaji is just a conservative who likes thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.
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#219 Jan 12 2013 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
I think Alma is much more devils advocate then Gbaji.
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#220 Jan 12 2013 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nonsense, he's been like this since the uBB days. In times where there were a lot more posters with conservative viewpoints (and usually better stated ones as well). Gbaji is just a conservative who likes thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.

Well so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt. Smiley: laugh
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Nonsense, he's been like this since the uBB days. In times where there were a lot more posters with conservative viewpoints (and usually better stated ones as well). Gbaji is just a conservative who likes thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.

Well so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt. Smiley: laugh


He has tens of thousands of posts. I think it's a bit past the 'benefit of the doubt' stage.
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He has tens of thousands of posts. I think it's a bit past the 'benefit of the doubt' stage.

In my defense he only gained a couple thousand since I started posting. Smiley: bah
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#223 Jan 12 2013 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
I dunno, I've seen Alma agree with people before, even if he often makes no sense in the process. I don't think I've ever seen Gbaji agree with anyone about anything, even Alma.
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Alma is just too much of a coward to take a stance on anything. He'll blabber on forever about whatever stupid thing caught his attention and then tries to display his "superior argumentation skills" but he never actually says what he thinks about anything.
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Alma is just too much of a coward to take a stance on anything. He'll blabber on forever about whatever stupid thing caught his attention and then tries to display his "superior argumentation skills" but he never actually says what he thinks about anything.


Don't blame me for your lack of understanding. The problem, especially in this site, is that people want one sentence answers and many times one or two sentences isn't long enough to express a coherent and logical position. When presented a long thought out post, it is ignored or skimmed at best. Then people become confused.

However, when presented something concise and to the point, instead of assuming the logical connections, the most ignorant straw-man theories are assumed. So, either way I lose. So, I decided to try to keep my posts short in the belief that it will at least be read. Then I simply attack the ignorant straw-man assumptions as they come along. The downfall with that is, the conversation often goes into tangents in which I take the blame for.

If you have any question on any of my positions, just ask. I have given a position on every topic discussed. I was going to make a comprehensive list of my positions, but I fear that will just derail the topic.
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I think you're an idiot.

see i only needed 5 words.
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Yet nobody's ever figured out what the **** your stance on anything is so really, is that our problem or are you just failing miserably at communicating your stance, if indeed you even have the guts to take one?
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#228Almalieque, Posted: Jan 13 2013 at 9:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're inaccurately positing "everyone" to make yourself feel better. The problem is with you, not me nor "everyone". There are people who have explicitly displayed understanding of my positions. If YOU have something that you don't understand, I say again, ask.
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why so you can tell us all about how you explained it clearly in post #XXX and hem and haw about how no one understands you. Maybe its you? Ya its probably you. But at least you don't tell everyone how they are wrong, like Gbaji, I will give you that. While you seem to have trouble conveying your thoughts, you do not act like a windbag.

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Alma and Gbaji share the same basic issue which is that they are terrible writers and try to make up for it with walls of text. Then try and claim their word-vomit is a virtue ("I'm giving so many details!") rather than a cover up for their deficiencies.
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Alma and Gbaji share the same basic issue which is that they are terrible writers and try to make up for it with walls of text. Then try and claim their word-vomit is a virtue ("I'm giving so many details!") rather than a cover up for their deficiencies.


I'd say that they're terrible writers because they're terrible thinkers. Alma in particular seems to struggle with basic logic. If you were to try to construct an argument with him by saying "Okay, Alma, for the sake of this point, let's say that a "lep" is a ball..." he'd spend the next 57 pages arguing that lep isn't in a word.

That's the main reason that he can't articulate a position. He's also vaguely aware of his deficiencies, so some of his obfuscation is a subconscious attempt to keep his positions nebulous - that way he can always convince himself that he's right.
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#232 Jan 13 2013 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
An inability to express oneself exacerbates a weak argument, especially with logic. If you have an idea in your head, but have trouble communicating it, then the links will often be lost.
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#233Almalieque, Posted: Jan 13 2013 at 10:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The problem in which you are referring to is when people intentionally misuse words to enhance their arguments. If you want to use "lep" to mean ball, then so be it, just don't argue any relevance between the words.
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Do you not remember my infamous ban for "double-posting", a rule that clearly only applies to me?

I barely pay attention to you these days, much less whatever forum-drama you get yourself involved in.
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#235Almalieque, Posted: Jan 13 2013 at 10:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, in any case, my posts have been much shorter. The longer your posts, the less people read. Also, it saves a lot of time. My responses with Gbaji have been long, but mostly others are short.
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Do you not remember my infamous ban for "double-posting", a rule that clearly only applies to me?

I barely pay attention to you these days, much less whatever forum-drama you get yourself involved in.


Well, in any case, my posts have been much shorter. The longer your posts, the less people read. Also, it saves a lot of time. My responses with Gbaji have been long, but mostly others are short.



People will read your posts if they are at all relevant. Your problem is irrelevance. You can not make a concrete argument, because you lack the basic understanding of the vast majority of the topics conversed here. Worse yet, you don't take the time to learn anything, you just continue your brain sperge and make yourself look more like an idiot. Really it has nothing to do with the length of your response, but your track record of content within the response.






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This looks to be a good place to leave this:


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This looks to be a good place to leave this:


“Ordinary fools are all right; you can talk to them, and try to help them out. But pompous fools-guys who are fools and are covering it all over and impressing people as to how wonderful they are with all this hocus pocus-THAT, I CANNOT STAND! An ordinary fool isn't a faker; an honest fool is all right. But a dishonest fool is terrible!”
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Let's have a quick show of hands from the people that can understand Alma's points.
#240 Jan 13 2013 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
It really varies. Sometimes I can understand what he's trying to say, but the majority of the time, no. With Gbaji, I generally don't have the patience or the attention span to bother reading his huge walls of text.
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Let's have a quick show of hands from the people that can understand Alma's points.


This is easily dispelled. Every time someone claims that s/he is unable to understand what I'm saying, I ask to specifically point out what is confusing. However, no one has yet to do that, outside of "everything".

Given that the very said people ARE RESPONDING TO MY STATEMENTS, they have a level of understanding. If not, they are even more ridiculous for responding to something that they clearly have ZERO understanding to as opposed to asking for clarification.

Your move...

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Is this a drinking game? I could get behind a drinking game.

But if it's in response to Alma, I don't know what he said.
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I have tried before to guess a point that Alma has made. Almost every time, I get a, "Close, but you missed this..." response. I think it's pretty obvious that I can't understand him.

If I remember correctly, the last time someone asked him his stance on same-sex marriage, the answer was something along the lines of, "I oppose it for personal reasons that I won't divulge because it will muck up the current discussion."

From the "Firearms" thread, I sort of caught that his stance was that he believes in gun control, but not complete eradication. He has said time and again that he is a "centrist." I am honestly not sure what that means.
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It really varies. Sometimes I can understand what he's trying to say, but the majority of the time, no. With Gbaji, I generally don't have the patience or the attention span to bother reading his huge walls of text.


I'd read more of gbaji's posts (as I've got nothing against long posts in-and-of themselves), but he almost always leads off with a fallacy or incorrect statement so egregious that there's no reason to continue on.
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There's that, and you can eliminate a good 80%~90% of the text if you skip the rhetorical questions and ridiculous hypotheticals.
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I usually do, though I wish I didn't sometimes. Smiley: rolleyes

He tends to take a definition or argument and extend it to a point most people here wouldn't; or apply it in a way that is atypical. If you go back and follow his logic it can make perfect sense, despite the fact the conclusion is baffling to most everyone here. It reminds me of the thought experiments one of my philosophy professors was fond of doing.

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Now, all those times you told me never to talk to Alma. Yeah... Smiley: disappointed
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