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The right data only exists in Gbaji's imagination and we'll all just have to believe him when he says it's just obvious.
Nilatai wrote:
Unless, you know, you live in a country where people don't own guns. Or where guns are strictly regulated. You know, like all of Europe.
We're not allowed to compare the US to European countries because those are, like, completely different countries and way different from the US.
Comparisons to Brazil and Venezuela are completely okay though.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Maybe there's something to his theory, though. I have a concealed license and my house has never been the site of a mass shooting of two or less people.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Yes, but my house is a no guns allowed zone and no mass killings have happened there, either.
I am so confused.
I am so confused.
Dandruffshampoo wrote:
Curses, beaten by Professor stupidopo-opo.
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Stupidmonkey is more organized than a bag of raccoons.
There's nothing to be confused about. We just ignore your data point and further emphasis mine.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Oh, of course! It's obvious!
Dandruffshampoo wrote:
Curses, beaten by Professor stupidopo-opo.
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Stupidmonkey is more organized than a bag of raccoons.
You're the exception that confirms the rule Stupidmonkey.
Clearly sample size is too limited to draw any real conclusions. If anything we should be encouraging more mass shootings so we can find out how best to stop them.
Fast and furious was just a drop in the ocean.
Fast and furious was just a drop in the ocean.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
lolgaxe wrote:
There's nothing to be confused about. We just ignore your data point and further emphasis mine.
You're an outlier.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
someproteinguy wrote:
Clearly sample size is too limited to draw any real conclusions.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Clearly sample size is too limited to draw any real conclusions.
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
lolgaxe wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Clearly sample size is too limited to draw any real conclusions.
That's crazy talk, you can't get funding that way. All the money is in big data these days. What you need is to get someone to give you obscene amounts of money so you can spend years creating a ginormous database with so many datapoints it becomes virtually useless. Besides the more people who can find what they want in your data the more citations you get, and easier it is to make money! As long as you keep publishing updates and additions to the dataset grant renewals are a breeze and you're on easy street.
Edited, Feb 6th 2013 10:44am by someproteinguy
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Cook County (where Chicago is) just passed a regulation that failure to report a firearm lost, stolen or sold comes with a $2,000 fine. Something like a third of firearms in Chicago taken by police in investigations originate from gun shops in southern Cook County, outside city limits. A lot of straw purchases followed by "Gee, I guess I lost that gun" when the police come asking about the pistol you bought being used in a shooting.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Just came across this: http://nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15
People on the NRA's enemy list:
Old people
Unions
Doctors
Nurses
Teachers
Women
Blacks
Mexicans
Catholics
Jews
Protestants including:
-Brethren
-Episcopalians
-Mennonites
-Lutherans
-UCC
-Methodists
and
National Association of Police Organizations
Police Foundation
Those ***** at the National Spinal Cord Injury Association 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
trickybeck wrote:
Just came across this: http://nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15
People on the NRA's enemy list:
Old people
Unions
Doctors
Nurses
Teachers
Women
Blacks
Mexicans
Catholics
Jews
Protestants including:
-Brethren
-Episcopalians
-Mennonites
-Lutherans
-UCC
-Methodists
and
National Association of Police Organizations
Police Foundation
You know who's not on there?
Terrorists.
Such a long list. Would have been easier just to say 'Democrats' and save your secretary some typing.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Eske Esquire wrote:
You know who's not on there?
Terrorists.
Terrorists.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
Those ***** at the National Spinal Cord Injury Association
Traitors.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Friar Bijou wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Those ***** at the National Spinal Cord Injury Association
Commies!
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Torrence wrote:
Gbaji - how come we still have these shootings now?
That's a strange phrasing. Removing the "still" makes it more accurate. The Gun Free School Zones Act was passed in 1990. It had some constitutional issues and was modified in 1995 to comply with court rulings. It was then adopted in 1996 as federal law. Since 1996, the rate of random style shootings (someone shooting random people on campus rather than going there to specifically shoot one or two people) on school campuses has skyrocketed. It's night and day. The attempt to prevent gangs from bringing guns to schools (or loitering near them) backfired in that it also made schools prime targets for mass shootings.
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I mean, we haven't made any changes to the gun laws yet; it's just stuff being proposed. Why aren't there more civilians running around with their weapons stopping these shootings and being big heroes?
Because we passed a federal law in the mid 90s which makes it illegal for those civilians to be in the vicinity of schools with their weapons, thus making it extremely hard for them to stop these shootings and be big heroes.
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Your way isn't working.
You've missed what isn't working. What isn't working is the idea that passing a law making it illegal to have a gun in a given location provides any disincentive at all to someone already planning a mass shooting followed by a likely suicide. That person isn't concerned about breaking the law. But anyone who might stop him is. Hence, why it's something that sounds great at first glance, but is actually causing these sorts of large scale mass shootings to occur.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Isn't it? I mean, the evidence that tighter gun control in the US has any effect on overall violent crime statistics is basically zero, right? Meanwhile the evidence that gun free zones do increase both the rate of and fatality level of shootings in those zones is quite overwhelming. But don't let facts get in the way of good strong emotion!
Unless, you know, you live in a country where people don't own guns. Or where guns are strictly regulated. You know, like all of Europe.
Apples and oranges though. Do you know what the relative violent crime rate would be in Europe if they didn't have such strict gun control? The question isn't whether one part of the world has more or less violence than another, but what effect a specific legal change in a single country would have on that country's violent crime rate. European nations would have lower violent crime rates even if they had the exact same gun laws as in the US because there are a host of socio-economic and geographical factors that are massively more relevant to the rate of violent crime than how easy guns are to obtain.
Correlation is not causation. European nations happen to have stricter gun control laws. But there's no evidence that they enjoy lower violent crime rates because of those laws.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
This just in from Gbaji-land, armed gangs loitering around schools deter school shooters.
Just as Planned.
gbaji wrote:
There's a point at which consistent correlation *does* imply causation. In the case of fatality statistics when armed civilians intervene, we're well beyond that point IMO.
gbaji wrote:
Correlation is not causation. European nations happen to have stricter gun control laws. But there's no evidence that they enjoy lower violent crime rates because of those laws.
Edited, Feb 6th 2013 4:41pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
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