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#1 Nov 28 2012 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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I don't get it. Has this guy sekretly beat a pubbie into submission?

Has he taken hostages?

Where does he get all this power he seems to be wielding all over the place?
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#2 Nov 28 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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This is the lobbyist people are spaffing all over, right?
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He's the guy who got a ton of congressional Republicans to sign a pledge that they would never ever ever raise taxes, consequences be damned.

I don't know if the guy is malicious or genuinely oblivious to how terrible an idea that is.
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Am I to assume he's gotten grumpy since people are talking about going back on their pledge thingies?
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He's a fellow who was a driving force in defining conservatism as the "tax cuts, starve the beast" party it is now back in the 1980s. His idea being that you force smaller government by prohibiting any means to pay for its expansion and trim it further by cutting taxes, thus forcing abandonment of programs. As a purely ideological principle it may be sound (not that I agree) but in reality it has just helped drive up massive debts rather than shrink government.

In the past, Norquist has helped keep the GOP in thrall by getting them to sign pledges and then leveraging his group (Americans for Tax Reform) to keep them in line. If you refused to sign they'd paint you as someone who wasn't committed to conservative values. If you hinted you may go against it, you were someone reneging on your conservative vows and promises.

Today, some GOP politicians realize that (A) The sort of cuts required to bring the budget on track and lower the deficit/debt would be so severe as to be unreasonable (not only angering voters but rocking the economy) and (B) Democrats will never make a deal with purely those cuts anyway. So they're hinting that they could be open to tax increases, directly or indirectly, in addition to spending cuts. Norquist is saber-rattling that he'll politically attack these individuals if they don't stay in line.

Edited, Nov 28th 2012 10:05am by Jophiel
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Yes. Some of the Republicans, who realize they are being blamed for the economy's sluggish recovery instead of Obama and for **** good reason, have decided that just maybe they need to consider raising taxes after all.

Norquist is throwing a hissing fit that some of the people in his clutches are reconsidering.
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Where does he get all this power he seems to be wielding all over the place?

Neck beards are terrifying, obviously.

AFAIK, the folks who signed his pledge did so to get funding, and now are put in the awkward position of needing to break a deal with the devil. It's kinda like going against the NRA; you **** your former patron off, they'll set their sights on you and do whatever they can to help your opponent (or replacement) instead come next election.
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you **** your former patron off, they'll set their sights on you and do whatever they can to help your opponent (or replacement) instead come next election.

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Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist said Wednesday that Republicans need to have “credible” separation from any tax hike as part of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff — in order to make a case to voters in 2014 and 2016 that their vision is distinct from that of Democrats.
The party can’t “have their fingerprints on the murder weapon,” Norquist told POLITICO’s Mike Allen at a Playbook Breakfast.
Threatening republicans law-makers.
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“If the Republicans lose in such a way that they have their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem,” Norquist said. The party needs to “have clarity between their approach and the Democrats, and I mean credible clarity, not just ‘in their own mind clarity, this is what we secretly mean to do, even though we seem to be having tea with guys doing bad things.’”

Admitting to, and bragging about outright deception to the law-makers of the party he proposes to support?.

It would take a helluva ninny to bow under to his demands.
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It would take a helluva ninny to bow under to his demands.
Or money.
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#14gbaji, Posted: Nov 28 2012 at 5:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Because Liberals keep talking about him and have built him up into something much bigger than he actually is. Seriously.
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“If the Republicans lose in such a way that they have their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem,” Norquist said. The party needs to “have clarity between their approach and the Democrats, and I mean credible clarity, not just ‘in their own mind clarity, this is what we secretly mean to do, even though we seem to be having tea with guys doing bad things.’”

Admitting to, and bragging about outright deception to the law-makers of the party he proposes to support?.


I think you misread the quote. Note where the nested quotation marks end. He's talking about what Republicans should *not* do. Specifically, they should not promise their supporters to stand firm on tax cuts, but then go have tea with the Democrats and make a deal to raise taxes.
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It's nice to pretend that it's about liberals since I guess it's embarrassing to admit your party is composed of devotees to some random unelected guy but, no, this is all on you jokers.

Edited, Nov 28th 2012 6:35pm by Jophiel
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It's nice to pretend that it's about liberals since I guess it's embarrassing to admit your party is composed of devotees to some random unelected guy but, no, this is all on you jokers.


I don't believe I have ever heard a Republican mention or talk about Grover Norquist (except perhaps in response to a liberal asking about him). I wouldn't know who he was if it wasn't for all the liberals constantly talking about him. Republicans just don't run around saying "our guys better do what Norquist says, or else!". It's the liberals who constantly talk about how this guy somehow has this massive influence on everyone. In the mountain of pledges and promises politicians make to various lobbying groups in order to get support, this one only stands out because liberals have decided to make it stand out.

Edited, Nov 28th 2012 5:17pm by gbaji
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I don't believe I have ever heard a Republican mention or talk about Grover Norquist

Well, you don't get your news from anywhere and have admitted that you don't actually follow politics so this isn't exactly a data point.

I'll admit though that they don't often laud the fact that they're in thrall to some random dude.


Edited, Nov 28th 2012 7:31pm by Jophiel
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As usual, relevant Onion is relevant.
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For someone Republicans don't talk about, I spent 15 minutes listening to the guy on the conservative AM radio station this morning. Go figure.
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From an LA Times article....

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Speaker of the House John Boehner continues to take a no-tax-increase stance and he is the Republicans’ key player in this confrontation with President Obama. Yet, even Boehner has opened a tiny bit of wiggle room by saying more revenue could be found by closing loopholes and trimming deductions. When asked if Norquist might reckon that as heresy, Boehner said he could not let “some random person” call the shots.


Boehner calls him a random person.

I would think that if the country, even the bottom half of it, sees their representatives taking orders from this random guy, it could go very bad for them at election time.....oh wait! that's Grover's stick.

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I don't believe I have ever heard a Republican mention or talk about Grover Norquist
And everything you did hear said how close the election really was, so excuse us if we don't take your word as reliable.
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Boehner's been such a remarkably weak and ineffective Speaker, he lets that "random guy" walk all over him on a regular basis.
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#24gbaji, Posted: Nov 29 2012 at 4:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In what context? Responding to all the liberals shouting about him in the media, right? Can you honestly tell me you've ever heard a republican politician say that he wont raise taxes because he promised Norquist not to (actually bringing up his name in a conversation or interview)? Ever heard a conservative pundit actually bring Norquists name into a conversation either? No? Hence my point.
#25gbaji, Posted: Nov 29 2012 at 4:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Which is precisely why liberals work so very very hard to make people think this is the case. Notice again that someone else brought up Norquist. To conservatives he's just one lobbyist out of many and not even a particularly important figure in the world of fiscal conservative policy. But to the liberals, he is the alpha and omega somehow. Kinda nutty if you stop and think about it.
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In what context? Responding to all the liberals shouting about him in the media, right?

No, actually he was on threatening Republicans not to break their pledge. But nice guess.
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#27 Nov 29 2012 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can you honestly tell me you've ever heard a republican politician say that he wont raise taxes because he promised Norquist not to (actually bringing up his name in a conversation or interview)?
Nope. I've never heard a dog tell me the name of its master either, but simple observation makes the relationship between the two clear.
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Outside of the last couple of weeks, I hadn't heard Norquists name in quite a while. I get most of my news from "liberal" sources(Yahoo). So, maybe there is something to what Gbaji is saying?
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Outside of the last couple of weeks, I hadn't heard Norquists name in quite a while.

Well, it stands to reason that the whole "tax pledge" thing would be more relevant to the daily news when the daily news is about the fiscal cliff/revenue/tax reform/etc like it is now.

Not much reason to mention him during reporting of Hurricane Sandy or Colorado theater shootings.
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gbaji wrote:
Can you honestly tell me you've ever heard a republican politician say that he wont raise taxes because he promised Norquist not to (actually bringing up his name in a conversation or interview)?


Not quite... though interestingly I can all but guarantee that 90+% of Republicans who vow they won't raise taxes, no matter what, have signed his ridiculous pledge.

Edit: Actually, there's an interesting comparison. I wonder if there's some obsessive and obscure site out there that tracks GOP Congresscritters who have signed the pledge versus those who vow not to raise taxes but have not.

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Kinda nutty if you stop and think about it.
That's easy to say when someone else is doing your thinking for you.
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I am totally stealing that for later.

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Ever heard a conservative pundit actually bring Norquists name into a conversation either? No? Hence my point.


No need to when a portion of your constituents believe the same thing. You can refer to their interests and not Norquist's. It makes you seem like a man of the people while appeasing a big money source. Two birds, one stone or something.

And if we want to be even-handed about this we can insert always something cynical about unions or something here: _______________.

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Gbaji's fallacious argument is that no conservative politician/pundit ever mentions Norquist, unless they do, then it's just proof that the liberal media made them do it so it doesn't count.
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I think Grover has done the Republican party a disservice by coming out publicly and taking ownership of the 'no taxes' pledge. It puts the conservative lawmakers in a bit of a pickle. If they defiantly stand strong against increased taxes, it will appear as if they're letting Norquist's threats decide their vote.

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I never see that guy any more...

The Birds come and go. They're rather flighty.
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I never see that guy any more...

The Birds come and go. They're rather flighty.


Well that would explain why Bernice looks different in every episode. I hope Bert never catches on...
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