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#1 Nov 26 2012 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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ABC story and Fox's article.

It's all very careful and wrapped in "only if democrats agree to cut even more" and similar things but it does look like Republicans are slowly coming back from being the party of NO.
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In a sense, they don't have much choice. The tax cuts are expiring and they can either sign on let some of them increase or do nothing and let all of them increase.

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Indiana Democratic Sen. **** Durbin, on the same show, acknowledged that his party needs to “bring entitlement reform into the conversation.”

Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Nov 26th 2012 11:31am by Jophiel
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#3 Nov 26 2012 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's all very careful and wrapped in "only if democrats agree to cut even more"
I'm okay with that.
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#4 Nov 26 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's all very careful and wrapped in "only if democrats agree to cut even more"
I'm okay with that.
Depends on what's being cut really. Somehow I don't think it's going to affect the yearly new carpet in your office.




edit: I do hope it was you who commented on that some time a while ago. I can't be ***** to look it up and you've probably posted 10000 times since then

Edited, Nov 26th 2012 6:34pm by Aethien
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#5 Nov 26 2012 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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They really don't have a choice.

It was incredibly short-sighted of the party to even communicate such an inflexible unbounded pledge to the public to begin with.

I liked Lindsey Grahams quote:
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When you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming Greece
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Gyro's be damned.
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#6 Nov 26 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I liked Lindsey Grahams quote:
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When you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming Greece


Something like that, yes. If they can actually agree and get something passed before the 11th hour I'll be somewhere in a state of shock, but it's nice to see the rhetoric softening a bit. Gives hope that somewhere in there we may well find a solution.
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#7 Nov 26 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Does this mean we can finally get back to making policies based on what's good for the country rather than what looks good come election season?
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Does this mean we can finally get back to making policies based on what's good for the country rather than what looks good come election season?


That's crazy talk!
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#9 Nov 27 2012 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's all very careful and wrapped in "only if democrats agree to cut even more"
I'm okay with that.
Depends on what's being cut really. Somehow I don't think it's going to affect the yearly new carpet in your office.
As much as I'd like that particular funding to be reduced, I doubt it will be. Thankfully, we're in full force reduction so a ton of inept people are being barred from re-enlisting, which is nice overall. But overall I can't say I really care what is cut as long as something is. Need both reduced spending and increased taxes to really make a realistic difference.
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Any Republican that supports tax increases will lose in the mid term.
That will make things easier.
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Any Republican that supports tax increases will lose in the mid term.

Hopefully to Democrats! Smiley: laugh
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Ironically, Obama's been the least spendy president since the 1950s. (Wall Street Journal.)

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 5:59pm by catwho
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#14 Nov 28 2012 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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But that's using math and history, so it doesn't count.
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Ironically, Obama's been the least spendy president since the 1950s. (Wall Street Journal.)

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 5:59pm by catwho

It's not ironic. Simply ignoring all of Obama's first year of spending is your best bet to sell the lie to yourself.


Did you see the asterisk? They moved the extra spending he approved into his column.

They also did the same thing (giving the prior year to the previous president) for all prior presidents too so it's not like it's inconsistent or anything.

Edited, Nov 28th 2012 10:33am by someproteinguy
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#17 Nov 28 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Any Republican that supports tax increases will lose in the mid term.


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Simply ignoring all of Obama's first year of spending is your best bet to sell the lie to yourself.
So that's how you're selling the lies to yourself.
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
Simply ignoring all of Obama's first year of spending is your best bet to sell the lie to yourself.
So that's how you're selling the lies to yourself.

If you unskew the numbers...
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someproteinguy wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
It's not ironic. Simply ignoring all of Obama's first year of spending is your best bet to sell the lie to yourself.


Did you see the asterisk? They moved the extra spending he approved into his column.

They also did the same thing (giving the prior year to the previous president) for all prior presidents too so it's not like it's inconsistent or anything.


Sure. And if I ignore the tendency to explode when suffering a rear-end collision for all cars, I can make a Ford Pinto look like it's a safe car. Nothing inconsistent with that at all. You get that most presidents also don't embark on massive spending increases in their first year in office, right? That's where the argument fails.


Oh. And also "revenue" is not the same as "tax rates". Just putting that out there for general consumption.
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someproteinguy wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
It's not ironic. Simply ignoring all of Obama's first year of spending is your best bet to sell the lie to yourself.


Did you see the asterisk? They moved the extra spending he approved into his column.

They also did the same thing (giving the prior year to the previous president) for all prior presidents too so it's not like it's inconsistent or anything.


Sure. And if I ignore the tendency to explode when suffering a rear-end collision for all cars, I can make a Ford Pinto look like it's a safe car. Nothing inconsistent with that at all. You get that most presidents also don't embark on massive spending increases in their first year in office, right? That's where the argument fails.


Oh. And also "revenue" is not the same as "tax rates". Just putting that out there for general consumption.



God you are stupid. The budget is done up the year prior, not the year of. Christ, gibberish boy you got a lot dumber in your 2 weeks of mourning.
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Gbaji doesn't understand the difference between election year, calendar year, and fiscal year. It's hogwash!
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#23 Nov 28 2012 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh. And also "revenue" is not the same as "tax rates". Just putting that out there for general consumption.


But "revenue" does equal "taxes", when we're talking about the federal government's revenue, you semantically obsessed little birther, you.
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gbaji wrote:
. You get that most presidents also don't embark on massive spending increases in their first year in office, right? That's where the argument fails.


Right, hence the asterisk. That whole stimulus thing was out of the ordinary, so they corrected the number in that case to correct for it, increasing his numbers.

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When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.


Or am I missing something? Smiley: confused

If anything they should probably point out that the Bush administration dialing down the Iraq war helps make Obama look good? Smiley: rolleyes
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Gbaji doesn't understand the difference between election year, calendar year, and fiscal year. It's hogwash obvious!
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You get that most presidents also don't embark on massive spending increases in their first year in office, right?
But somehow the economy is their fault that first year.
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