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#202 Dec 13 2012 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Timelordwho wrote:
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I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.

If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.


Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.
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Timelordwho wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.

If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.


Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.


Yup. The assumption that a tip will be required is one of the factors considered when making the decision to walk into the door of a restaurant in the first place. I think it's pretty obvious that if all other prices were the same, more people would walk into a restaurant if there was no tip expected than will if one is expected. Which is why the cost of the tip counts against the employer's business just as much as the cost printed on the menu does. To suggest that the tips don't really count as part of the total compensation for the wait staff because the customer is paying it directly to the waiter instead of paying a higher price on the bill itself is ridiculous. Money is money. Every dollar of tip cost is a dollar less the restaurant can charge for the meal if they expect to get the same number of people to pay for it.


I honestly didn't think I'd have to say this more than once. Seemed like this should be something everyone understands right off the bat. But apparently, that's not the case here.
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#204 Dec 13 2012 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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By "gbaji is right" I meant you should tip in the circumstances I defined above. I in no way advocate the other blather he's going on about because I wasn't paying attention to that.





I rated him up for the point, though, so I gotta go shower now.
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It took 2.5 hours for my delivery chinese food to come... and more than 1 hour of that was after I first called wondering what was up and they said "the delivery man is on his way, he left 20 minutes ago and you're next."

Then when he arrived, his debit machine wasn't working. He then claimed it was because I didn't have any money, even though the machine clearly said "communication error"

I didn't give him a tip. Partially because we had to scrounge around for cash to pay because of the debit machine not working.

And even though he was a dipsh#t I still felt bad about it.

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#206 Dec 13 2012 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hold on for a second here. Some of you know people who get take out just so they don't have to tip?
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#207 Dec 13 2012 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
By "gbaji is right" I meant you should tip in the circumstances I defined above. I in no way advocate the other blather he's going on about because I wasn't paying attention to that.


You should increase the font size then. Smiley: grin

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Hold on for a second here. Some of you know people who get take out just so they don't have to tip?


I don't know about just not wanting to tip, and I wasn't thinking in terms of take out from a restaurant versus dining inside (cause that choice would usually be about time). I was thinking more in terms of a choice between the family heading out to a restaurant, or one person going and getting take out (not necessarily ordering, although that's an option as well). There's a significant price difference between the first and second options usually, even for similar food.
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Bijou wrote:
I guess somebody missed the point.

If I, personally, order food delivered or go to a sit-down-get-served restaurant I fully plan to be tipping. If you* don't, then you are a class-A douchebag.


Yes, you obviously missed the point. My argument is that because everyone plans on tipping, it isn't a deciding factor of rather or not we will order what we want. We order what we want based on the price of the meal, not based on us having to tip a waiter. Tipping a waiter is so mundane that we just do it like we do tax with no second thought about it. Once again, if paying for tax or a tip is an issue for you, then you are spending too much money and should eat at home. You obviously have not being paying attention. But that's ok, I'm used to the decontextualization of "Anything Alma says is wrong without the necessity of actually reading it". This just results in more entertainment when people dance around their words. Keep it up!Smiley: grin

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#210 Dec 13 2012 at 9:19 PM Rating: Excellent
If my budget for a meal is $60 I will not go to a place where the list price of the food will be $60, then I can't afford to go to that restaurant and so I won't go there. I only have so much money, and so if my budget for eating out is $X a month, then the X includes the food costs, taxes and tip. It's not like the tip comes from imaginary money I don't have to budget for.

Similarly if I have $600 in my bank account, I can't go to best buy and purchase a $600 TV, as I won't be able to actually pay for it. Before you buy anything you factor in the total cost. That's how budgets work.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.

If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.


Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.
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I assure you that no one goes to a nice not-so cheap restaurant and allows a tip to be a catalyst in what they are going to order. 15% is 15% is 15%. So unless you're against tipping a certain percentage, it's not a factor in what you spend in your meal. Tipping is extra, so if tipping is a problem then get take out, go to a fast food restaurant or even better yet, cook at home. I assure you that is the overall belief and your belief is the anomaly.



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Yup. The assumption that a tip will be required is one of the factors considered when making the decision to walk into the door of a restaurant in the first place.


I'll get to the rest of your posts later. I'm just flabbergasted at this complete nonsense. This is 2012, not 1912. The vast majority of people pay with credit cards, debit cards and checking cards, not cash. So, if something as banal as tipping acts as a catalyst for your meal, THEN YOU ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY and you probably shouldn't be there! That's how budgeting works. Do you fret the tax that you pay on a dollar menu at a fast food restaurant? Not unless you're paying with nickels and dimes. Why?, you swipe your card or hand them a $5 bill. You don't know the exact tax, but you know it's less than $2 and that $5 will cover it.

Likewise with a restaurant, it's the same concept. You don't know the exact tax or tip because it doesn't matter. You have expectations of what to spend and you know the tax and tip are trivial adjuncts because they wont push you over your limit. If they do, then you simply have poor money management. Why would you max your card or break your budget on something like a dine-in restaurant as opposed to an investment, an emergency or something that lasts more than 2 hours of joy?

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To suggest that the tips don't really count as part of the total compensation for the wait staff because the customer is paying it directly to the waiter instead of paying a higher price on the bill itself is ridiculous.


Given that a tip isn't mandatory or set at a certain price, it is quite the opposite. I would much rather tip an increase at my own choosing than let the employer decide. You are arguing the opposite, which completely contradicts two pages of everyone wanting more for less.

If a waiter forgets to bring my orders, get my orders wrong, gets an attitude or gives me the cold shoulder, I would not lament over him or her receiving a small tip.

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Money is money.


Finally, something accurate.

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Every dollar of tip cost is a dollar less the restaurant can charge for the meal if they expect to get the same number of people to pay for it.


Again with the fallacy. People order the food first, not tip the waiter. If your food sucks, then people wont order it, then your waiter wont receive tips, which means you will have to make up the difference. The key isn't tips. The key is selling more products. However, the food could be overpriced and sucky and I would still tip the waiter graciously if he or she deserves it.

Tipping is completely irrelevant to anyone who knows how to manage their money, because if it were an issue, they wouldn't be there in the first place
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I honestly didn't think I'd have to say this more than once. Seemed like this should be something everyone understands right off the bat. But apparently, that's not the case here.


My words exactly. I didn't know you were either poor and/or unable to manage your money. PM me and I can teach you how you can go out to a restaurant and eat the food of your choosing without worrying about being able to pay for a tip or tax.
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Ok, what about Curbside? Do I need to tip the girl who walks out to the parking lot to hand me my food? I mean, it's a bit more effort than standing in a booth, tossing food out the window...
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#213 Dec 14 2012 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Timelordwho wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.

If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.


Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.

OK here's a question. Carside to go, a la Applebees. Tip or not?

I typically add a couple dollars for the trip out to the car, but I'm not sure if that's warranted, or if it's just me tipping too much again.
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Timelordwho wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.

If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.


Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.

OK here's a question. Carside to go, a la Applebees. Tip or not?

I typically add a couple dollars for the trip out to the car, but I'm not sure if that's warranted, or if it's just me tipping too much again.

Take out is tricky.

If an eatery is designed for take out, their staff is most likely paid a non-tip earners wage. So tipping is not really necessary.

But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
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But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
The people at Wendy's do the same thing. I tip the waiting staff for being waiting staff. Checking on drinks and whatever unlimited item (bread, soup, salad, etc) that may require filling up, accurate orders and checking to make sure that I'm generally enjoying myself and such.
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Elinda wrote:
But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.

I wouldn't call that a considerable amount of time. Now, if I planned on sitting in my car for the next half-hour eating, and expected her to come out and check on me, then that would be something different.
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Elinda wrote:
But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
The people at Wendy's do the same thing. .....
Exactly. The people at Wendy's are not getting paid a server wage and not reliant on tips.

The server at Applebees probably is.


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But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.

I wouldn't call that a considerable amount of time. Now, if I planned on sitting in my car for the next half-hour eating, and expected her to come out and check on me, then that would be something different.
See that's just the thing.

Man, packing up a lobster dinner and a prime rib dinner was a huge pita. You had to draw a little cup of au jus and a little cup of butter and you had to pack them a salad and little cups of dressing, and potatoes and butter and sour cream, etc etc etc. It was the very worst to have to pack up a meal to go in the middle of busy dinner rush.

Really it depends on the establishment. More and more dinner places are providing and pushing 'to-go' service and are better equipped to deal with it. I'm guessing that the little curb side entry for to-go food is staffed by someone who is not being paid a servers wage.
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Elinda wrote:
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But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
The people at Wendy's do the same thing. .....
Exactly. The people at Wendy's are not getting paid a server wage and not reliant on tips.

The server at Applebees probably is.


Possibly. If they have an area specifically designed for take-out, it may be manned by someone such as a host(ess) who likely doesn't qualify for the reduced server wage.

Edit: or nvm, you commented on it in the nest post...


Edited, Dec 14th 2012 2:05pm by Uglysasquatch
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Pfft. I tip at the Chinese food place near me when I pickup, and now I they give me extra eggrolls and almond cookies when I go there, and I only tip the coins from my change from paying, plus a dollar.

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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
The people at Wendy's do the same thing. .....
Exactly. The people at Wendy's are not getting paid a server wage and not reliant on tips.

The server at Applebees probably is.


Possibly. If they have an area specifically designed for take-out, it may be manned by someone such as a host(ess) who likely doesn't qualify for the reduced server wage.

Edit: or nvm, you commented on it in the nest post...


Edited, Dec 14th 2012 2:05pm by Uglysasquatch



Meh, you guys get bogged down in the details entirely too much. I didn't ask about "what if"s. If you go to a sit down restaurant like Applebees that offers carside delivery, do you tip the person who brings the food to your car, yes or no?
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I wouldn't get take out from Applebees.

Didn't even know they did that until reading this thread... Smiley: rolleyes

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I wouldn't get take out from Applebees.


But if you did use the carside service, would you tip or not? For a bunch of reasonably intelligent people, simple questions seem to elude you folks sooooo much. I don't get it.
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I wouldn't get take out from Applebees.


But if you did use the carside service, would you tip or not? For a bunch of reasonably intelligent people, simple questions seem to elude you folks sooooo much. I don't get it.
I would probably tip them the coins from my change, plus a dollar.
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BrownDuck wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
But if you go to the Applebees and some server has to box, bag, add napkins/condiments/plasticware, they're putting a considerable amount of time into your meal and probably expect a tip.
The people at Wendy's do the same thing. .....
Exactly. The people at Wendy's are not getting paid a server wage and not reliant on tips.

The server at Applebees probably is.


Possibly. If they have an area specifically designed for take-out, it may be manned by someone such as a host(ess) who likely doesn't qualify for the reduced server wage.

Edit: or nvm, you commented on it in the nest post...


Edited, Dec 14th 2012 2:05pm by Uglysasquatch



Meh, you guys get bogged down in the details entirely too much. I didn't ask about "what if"s. If you go to a sit down restaurant like Applebees that offers carside delivery, do you tip the person who brings the food to your car, yes or no?
I've never experienced this, but if I did, I would probably tip them but only like 10% - purely out of uncertainty. I'd rather tip when not necessary than not tip when necessary.

Do they deliver your food on roller skates?


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I wouldn't get take out from Applebees.


But if you did use the carside service, would you tip or not? For a bunch of reasonably intelligent people, simple questions seem to elude you folks sooooo much. I don't get it.
I would probably tip them the coins from my change, plus a dollar.

I bet it never gets you an extra egg roll or fortune cookie.

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