Friar Bijou wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
I hate to break tradition, here, but gbaji is right.
If you do not plan to tip then stay the @#%^ home.
Or takeout, that doesn't require a tip.
I assure you that no one goes to a nice not-so cheap restaurant and allows a tip to be a catalyst in what they are going to order. 15% is 15% is 15%. So unless you're against tipping a certain percentage, it's not a factor in what you spend in your meal. Tipping is extra, so if tipping is a problem then get take out, go to a fast food restaurant or even better yet, cook at home. I assure you that is the overall belief and your belief is the anomaly.
Yup. The assumption that a tip will be required is one of the factors considered when making the decision to walk into the door of a restaurant in the first place.
I'll get to the rest of your posts later. I'm just flabbergasted at this complete nonsense. This is 2012, not 1912. The vast majority of people pay with credit cards, debit cards and checking cards, not cash. So, if something as banal as tipping acts as a catalyst for your meal, THEN YOU ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY and you probably shouldn't be there! That's how budgeting works. Do you fret the tax that you pay on a dollar menu at a fast food restaurant? Not unless you're paying with nickels and dimes. Why?, you swipe your card or hand them a $5 bill. You don't know the exact tax, but you know it's less than $2 and that $5 will cover it.
Likewise with a restaurant, it's the same concept. You don't know the exact tax or tip because it doesn't matter. You have expectations of what to spend and you know the tax and tip are trivial adjuncts because they wont push you over your limit. If they do, then you simply have poor money management. Why would you max your card or break your budget on something like a dine-in restaurant as opposed to an investment, an emergency or something that lasts more than 2 hours of joy?
To suggest that the tips don't really count as part of the total compensation for the wait staff because the customer is paying it directly to the waiter instead of paying a higher price on the bill itself is ridiculous.
Given that a tip isn't mandatory or set at a certain price, it is quite the opposite. I would much rather tip an increase at my own choosing than let the employer decide. You are arguing the opposite, which completely contradicts two pages of everyone wanting more for less.
If a waiter forgets to bring my orders, get my orders wrong, gets an attitude or gives me the cold shoulder, I would not lament over him or her receiving a small tip.
Money is money.
Finally, something accurate.
Every dollar of tip cost is a dollar less the restaurant can charge for the meal if they expect to get the same number of people to pay for it.
Again with the fallacy. People order the food first, not tip the waiter. If your food sucks, then people wont order it, then your waiter wont receive tips, which means you will have to make up the difference. The key isn't tips. The key is selling more products. However, the food could be overpriced and sucky and I would still tip the waiter graciously if he or she deserves it.
Tipping is completely irrelevant to anyone who knows how to manage their money, because if it were an issue, they wouldn't be there in the first place
I honestly didn't think I'd have to say this more than once. Seemed like this should be something everyone understands right off the bat. But apparently, that's not the case here.
My words exactly. I didn't know you were either poor and/or unable to manage your money. PM me and I can teach you how you can go out to a restaurant and eat the food of your choosing without worrying about being able to pay for a tip or tax.