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#252 Nov 15 2012 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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The one thing that really stood out to me while being on unemployment was that there are so many ways in which they could use the unemployed that they just don't. I'm not saying to make them work a 40-hour workweek and thereby have very little time to job hunt, but they could work 8-16 hours a week for the city or state they live in.

This probably sounds like a good idea in a world where unemployed people are YOU. Young, unmarried people in good health with no kids. The idea that 56 year old Bob, the diabetic who lost his job but now stays home with his school age kids while his wife works is going to arrange childcare and show up somewhere to go through the motions of community service because just mailing him a check is "a waste" stretches credulity a little if you think there's some +ROI to it.

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Aside from the point that Smash & I agree on, I'll add that you pay into unemployment while you're working. I'm not keen on additional barriers when it comes time to collect on a benefit you paid for.
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Aside from the point that Smash & I agree on, I'll add that you pay into unemployment while you're working. I'm not keen on additional barriers when it comes time to collect on a benefit you paid for.
Yeah, those are all good points. Perhaps some sort of required registration at the job assistance center in order to qualify for one of the extensions after your original claim runs out or something could work. All I had to do was fill out a form with three places where I had inquired after a job each week.
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Yeah, those are all good points. Perhaps some sort of required registration at the job assistance center in order to qualify for one of the extensions after your original claim runs out or something could work. All I had to do was fill out a form with three places where I had inquired after a job each week.


Here in the worker's paradise, you log on to a web page, answer four questions (did you look for work, were you available for work, did you get paid for something, did you move) and they direct deposit money in your linked account. From friends I've talked to who have collected, it's almost unheard of to have to document a job search. Which, really, is probably the way it should be. Do people just collect and not look for work? I'm sure this happens. The Calvinist assumption that this is a problem is fairly overblown in my opinion. The social stigma associated with not working is punitive enough to make it less desirable than working, as is the reduced income and the finite time frame. In the construction trades, where much of my extended family works, working in the spring-fall building season and collecting in the winter is basically a life plan.
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I think several of you missed my point about identity politics.

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This change affects how people vote and how strongly they are affected by associations between those policies and the identity group they belong to.


It almost seems like you're trying to make the case that Black and Latino voters are in the Democrats because of government handouts to the poor. I'd caution you against going down that line of thought too far. Remember that you don't have the Asian vote either, and there are many other reasons why minority voters may be hesitant to join the Republican ranks.

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In the identity politics game, the Left will always have an advantage over the Right simply because it's much harder to convince people that a small government platform benefits their group more than a big government platform will. Let's face it, it's pretty hard to convince a group of people that the government *not* giving them stuff is really better for them.


Smiley: rolleyes

Okay seriously, the Republicans have at best an iffy record on reducing government expenditures. That's the thing, you guys aren't a small government party. You guys have a terrible habit of running on a small-government platform and not following through with it. Cancelling a few token Democrat-backed programs and jacking up the military budget doesn't count as small government, especially times when you increase overall spending in the process.

Tax cuts are fine, but you actually have to follow those up with the promised budget cuts when you are in the White House. Given the past record I have no idea why people would believe you would do that.

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Four more years.


And? What does that get you? What exactly do you expect to gain?


Romneycare.

Given the past records, if I have to choose between spending money on the military and spending money on social programs, I'll take the social programs any day of the week. The other has plenty of money already. If you want to convince people you're a small government party, you're going to have to do more in that area. Right now it seems you only want to reduce budgets when you're not in charge, and then the Dems can pin that "party of no" label on you all, and it sticks. I'm sympathetic, but this falls in the "fool me twice shame on me" category, ya'll are going to have to do more here.

Edit: grrr... quote boxes... Smiley: mad

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"In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day," he said. "Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in (these) towns knows anyone who's black. How did that happen? I don't know. We're going to find out."

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"I'm not talking about 15 or 20. I'm talking hundreds," he said Wednesday. "I'm not politically correct and maybe I shouldn't have said these voters were black, but anyone who suggests I have a bias toward any race or group, frankly, that's sleazy."



Credit to Elinda who mentioned this first in the other thread

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#261 Nov 15 2012 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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Do people just collect and not look for work? I'm sure this happens. The Calvinist assumption that this is a problem is fairly overblown in my opinion. The social stigma associated with not working is punitive enough to make it less desirable than working, as is the reduced income and the finite time frame. In the construction trades, where much of my extended family works, working in the spring-fall building season and collecting in the winter is basically a life plan.


There's no question the Unemployment benefit is used by people on purpose. I mean, you'd be silly not too, especially in any industry where serious OT can be accrued during a 3-4 month period. My Dad's a Union pipefitter/welder/master plumber who specializes in Nukes (He's currently at Pilgrim), who used to take winter's off to go skiing.

Not so much now that the economy took a dump & the Union picked a healthplan that costs him $1k per month, but when he still collects, he still takes home more than I do working. Upside is, he's been working throughout the economic turd that happened 6ish years ago, even though many other people in his Union aren't, but for entirely different reasons: His generation, 50+, built all the nuke plants 40 years ago & because they haven't built any new ones, there's few that know them as well. They're also all nearing the end of their contracts & their owners don't know if they're getting contracts renewed, so they're not exactly investing in...improving them as much.

But for what its worth I have it on good authority that Pilgrim is in much better shape than Indian Point or Seabrook.
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Do people just collect and not look for work? I'm sure this happens. The Calvinist assumption that this is a problem is fairly overblown in my opinion. The social stigma associated with not working is punitive enough to make it less desirable than working, as is the reduced income and the finite time frame. In the construction trades, where much of my extended family works, working in the spring-fall building season and collecting in the winter is basically a life plan.


There's no question the Unemployment benefit is used by people on purpose. I mean, you'd be silly not too, especially in any industry where serious OT can be accrued during a 3-4 month period. My Dad's a Union pipefitter/welder/master plumber who specializes in Nukes (He's currently at Pilgrim), who used to take winter's off to go skiing.

Not so much now that the economy took a dump & the Union picked a healthplan that costs him $1k per month, but when he still collects, he still takes home more than I do working. Upside is, he's been working throughout the economic turd that happened 6ish years ago, even though many other people in his Union aren't, but for entirely different reasons: His generation, 50+, built all the nuke plants 40 years ago & because they haven't built any new ones, there's few that know them as well. They're also all nearing the end of their contracts & their owners don't know if they're getting contracts renewed, so they're not exactly investing in...improving them as much.

But for what its worth I have it on good authority that Pilgrim is in much better shape than Indian Point or Seabrook.


If he's looking for a place that's likely going to need some refits, Yankee Nuclear in VT got it's license renewed recently, and they had some pending upgrade projects in the pipeline. I don't have much in the way of details, unfortunately.
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#263 Nov 15 2012 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
He wants to be at Plymouth, as its much closer to the family. He was stuck at Indian Point in NY until recently 'cause you know, Sandy.
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But for what its worth I have it on good authority that Pilgrim is in much better shape than Indian Point or Seabrook.

Seabrook looks fine from the highway when I drive by on the way to the Maines..
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Yeah, those are all good points. Perhaps some sort of required registration at the job assistance center in order to qualify for one of the extensions after your original claim runs out or something could work. All I had to do was fill out a form with three places where I had inquired after a job each week.


Here in the worker's paradise, you log on to a web page, answer four questions (did you look for work, were you available for work, did you get paid for something, did you move) and they direct deposit money in your linked account. From friends I've talked to who have collected, it's almost unheard of to have to document a job search. Which, really, is probably the way it should be. Do people just collect and not look for work? I'm sure this happens. The Calvinist assumption that this is a problem is fairly overblown in my opinion. The social stigma associated with not working is punitive enough to make it less desirable than working, as is the reduced income and the finite time frame. In the construction trades, where much of my extended family works, working in the spring-fall building season and collecting in the winter is basically a life plan.
I only had to document my work search after my initial claim ran out and I was on one of the extensions.
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Yeah, those are all good points. Perhaps some sort of required registration at the job assistance center in order to qualify for one of the extensions after your original claim runs out or something could work. All I had to do was fill out a form with three places where I had inquired after a job each week.


Do people just collect and not look for work? I'm sure this happens. The Calvinist assumption that this is a problem is fairly overblown in my opinion. The social stigma associated with not working is punitive enough to make it less desirable than working, as is the reduced income and the finite time frame. In the construction trades, where much of my extended family works, working in the spring-fall building season and collecting in the winter is basically a life plan.


Wow, you really have no clue how people operate outside the white middle/upper class suburban network, do you? The people who are willing to collect unemployment without job searching are the people who don't give a damn about social stigma, and there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them. Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
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So now Billy-O is wondering why the "smart rich Asians" voted for Obama. Republicans should see the contradiction in their belief on "poor lazy bums wanting a hand out" voting for Democrats. That should be evidence that it isn't about being lazy and poor, but it's overall views that people disagree with.
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I think most people who go on unemployment go through varying stages ranging from "This sucks BALLS. I need a job ASAP, lets make a goal to apply to ten of them today," to "@#%^ job apps, lets just watch the entirety of Gilligan's Island on Hulu for the next forty eight hours."

Eventually, the pressure to actually do something productive and make money overrides the urge to slack off in front of the TV for days on end, and the "@#%^ it" days gradually reduce over time. I think I made it about a month when I was laid off before the urge to slack was gone completely and a sense of genuine panic took over instead. And yet, it took me four months to find a job that paid enough with benefits. That was four months of quiet panic. I did play a lot of FFXI, now that I look back on it...

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Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
How large do you think the percentage is of people that are on unemployment and 'abusing' it?

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Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
How large do you think the percentage is of people that are on unemployment and 'abusing' it?



I would argue that the percentage is similar to the number of rich CEO types that find loop holes to equally cheat the system. Once people realize that citizens at all financial levels will find a way to cheat the system, then the blame will shift away from the "poor" and be equally spread among all of society.
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Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
How large do you think the percentage is of people that are on unemployment and 'abusing' it?


I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything, I'd say 1 in 4 easily.
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I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything, I'd say 1 in 4 easily.
Just curious really. I don't put a lot of stock in any one persons personal experience.
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Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
How large do you think the percentage is of people that are on unemployment and 'abusing' it?


I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything, I'd say 1 in 4 easily.
On unemployment? No way. Unless you're including people doing seasonal work, but then, that's kind of the point of unemployment for them. To keep them covered until their skills are needed again. Now, if you wanted to say social assistance/welfare, I'll board that train with you.


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When I was on unemployment I spent two months playing golf (it was spring and my fiancee was working). Then I lined up a job, got married and started working by July. It was kind of like a mini retirement.
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there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them

Wow, really that many? That's a lot.

I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything, I'd say 1 in 4 easily.

Oh, right.

What's it like being so rock fucking stupid that instead of "I don't know" you feel compelled to have an opinion on things based on a guess. It's almost as if you really have no clue how people operate outside the white trash, terrified that everyone else is taking advantage of them echo chamber. Isn't it? Hey did you hear Hostess is going out of business? I imagine no one else mentioned it to you out of fear the coming Twinkie shortage would push you over the edge to suicide.

Haha, you're fat.
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I'm oddly ok with the demise of Hostess, but I might pick up a box of Twinkies just to keep as a shelf decoration.
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I'm sure there's a stockpile of Twinkies from the 30s that'll last us three or four generations, more than long enough for someone to take it's place.
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Unemployment has a place and helps a lot of people, but to assume the percent of collectors that abuse the system by collecting to the fullest extent while making no effort to seek employment is small enough not to matter is just... mind boggling.
How large do you think the percentage is of people that are on unemployment and 'abusing' it?


I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything, I'd say 1 in 4 easily.


Again, when we have an abundance of good jobs (and by good, I don't mean some scmuck fast food restaurant chain forcing swing shift 30 hours a week minimum wage to avoid paying benefits) and people choose to try to game the system, you and your anecdotal evidence might have a point. Right now that's just not the case.

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I have no stats to speak for, but if personal experience is anything


Oh, I forgot to mention: It isn't. Personal experience is meaningless in the context of a discussion of a national issue. My personal experience is that I have offers of highly paid new work daily. I assume it must be that way for everyone, right? The only people out of work are those who chose to be, I mean nothing else makes sense.

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I think most people who go on unemployment go through varying stages ranging from "This sucks BALLS. I need a job ASAP, lets make a goal to apply to ten of them today," to "@#%^ job apps, lets just watch the entirety of Gilligan's Island on Hulu for the next forty eight hours."

Eventually, the pressure to actually do something productive and make money overrides the urge to slack off in front of the TV for days on end, and the "@#%^ it" days gradually reduce over time.


I have a friend who's gone through this, pretty much like how you described it. He's not on unemployment though (his wife is the primary bread-winner). But at the beginning, he was sending out several resumes a day and checking a bunch of websites. Then he just kinda sat back and waited for responses for for new Monster.com search results to pop up. Finally after a couple of months he bit the bullet and said "screw it, some money is better than none" and is now working at Target. Which totally sucks for him, but there's not much demand for a M.S. in Environmental Education in our area Smiley: oyvey

Edit: Oh, and he's both the second and fourth best-geared member of our WoW guild with two characters Smiley: lol

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Which totally sucks for him, but there's not much demand for a M.S. in Environmental Education in our area Smiley: oyvey
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there's not much demand for a M.S. in Environmental Education

You don't get this degree unless you plan to get a PhD/EdD. He should do that.
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I had no idea Hostess was doing so poorly. Seems like you'd have to royally @#%^ up to go out of business when you have that much brand recognition and boomer nostalgia.

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I had no idea Hostess was doing so poorly. Seems like you'd have to royally @#%^ up to go out of business when you have that much brand recognition and boomer nostalgia.


It's easy when you get bought by private equity and they decide to break the bakers union. Someone will buy Twinkies, though, have no fear. The flyover fatties need things to deepfry. Twinkies will be fine, just made by someone else.

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Although the union strike was the straw the broke the camel's back, Hostess has been in trouble for nearly a decade. They had been in Chapter 7 for several years. It was pretty much inevitable that they'd go under.

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Although the union strike was the straw the broke the camel's back, Hostess has been in trouble for nearly a decade. They had been in Chapter 7 for several years. It was pretty much inevitable that they'd go under.

The brands will be sold off to other bakeries.


Thanks for your sh*tty internet book report paraphrasing what you think you just learned in 15 seconds of reading.

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a helpful summary for lazy people, or if we're supposed to infer that you've been following the fate of a fucking snack cake maker for a decade. If it's the latter, it's not working. If it did, it would raise serious questions about your time management skills and life priorities.
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Hey, I'm surfing an internet forum at work, I'm not expected to read the whole thread now, am I? Smiley: cool

I actually heard about the current Hostess train wreck a few days ago, but I definitely remember lots of issues with it over the years. Specifically, it was bought out by a vulture capital firm during its last crisis, and it appears they're the same sort as Bain capital - expecting to squeeze ever last dollar out of a dying company before firing it for not making enough profit.
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Catwho's been following this bankruptcy for over twenty years.

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YES! Since I was thirteen years old, dammit!

I don't even like Twinkies.

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So, you have been following this story for some time now...
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If someone started up a new food company with the Hostess brands in their pocket, that'd be a case of twinking with Twinkies. Smiley: clown

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So...You did put a bullet in your brain?

yeah, yeah, I just read this thread today Smiley: mad
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So...You did put a bullet in your brain?

yeah, yeah, I just read this thread today Smiley: mad
And notice the complete lack of change of behavior.
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Not sure if anyone saw Bill on Fox tonight, but he is seriously pissed off. It's almost as close to the infamous clip of him going bananas. Apparently, he didn't like the lash back from his comments on the election. The comments that everyone voted for Obama because they wanted free stuff. Now, even Republicans are bashing Romney for his recent comments. So, he feels it's just him against the world. I know its "old news", but he was so mad, that I couldn't even finish watching it because I felt bad for the lady on the show. I'll watch it tomorrowSmiley: grin. He reacts to John Stewart's comments about him not being "traditional American" either, being Irish and all....

Awww.. those two..

He just doesn't understand how his comments are ignorant.
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He definitely lost his cool over this election..
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I don't think he really lost his cool over the election. It really playing right into the talking heads hands. They now get four more years of ripping on Obama, setting them up as being the only voice of reason to keep the crazies tuning in every night. It's pretty smart really, know the people that are watching and just keep feeding them what they want. I have seen a few people have lash outs just like his over this.
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Generally speaking, I would agree with you, but he was obviously pissed off more than normal last night. It wasn't so much the election, but the snide comments made by the media making him into a racist bigot. To be fair, he was misunderstood; however, he should see how his words could be interpreted as such. In his mind, he honestly thinks that he is right. He's just completely ignorant on the topic.
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