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#52 Nov 07 2012 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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The Republican party needs to do some soul searching. I find some of the comments this morning very odd indeed. "We lost because we were to moderate", "Romney wasn't conservative enough". Only 1 comment on 3 news sites that Ive read today on the real issue, "the Republican party is out of touch with America."

In all honesty this party is going backwards at a shocking pace. Their policies, their positions, their people. I would not at all be surprised when the house flips in a couple years, and with another Dem President taking the helm in 2016. Until the Republican party gets off the train to crazy town anyway. At this rate Ron Paul looks more and more sane every day.


I'm not sure about out of touch, but there's definitely groups in the party, well any party really, that make it unpalatable to others. Christian right, environmentalists, etc. etc.

I kind of saw this election as the pendulum swinging back to the center a little. 2008 swept the Democrats into power in a big way, but they we're father left than the average person, so 2 years later you get the tea party and a lot of Republican upsets. Now in 2012 we're deciding that's not really the answer either, and moving back closer to the middle. Briefly at least, before someone gives it a push in another direction. Smiley: rolleyes

Romney as a moderate is fine, but goodness yes certainly you have to silence the crazies a bit. It doesn't do either party any good to have their fringe dictating policy to that degree.

The problem is that the fringe has become the core of the party platform. The crazies aren't the fringe, they're the party itself.
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I have no idea how much truth there is to that (Kids voting party for life) , but it made the other pundits get all flustered and deny it.


Some of them will strike it rich & not want to pay taxes. (1%?)

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Stocks down over 300


Markets not reacting to well to Obama's reelection.


Oil and Bank stocks down... pick up good deals while you can and make some more money?
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Markets not reacting to well to Obama's reelection.

Not surprising. Another big fiscal debate coming right up and we saw how well everyone played that time. I'm sure they would have rather had a Republican president, House and Senate so at least there'd be a quick decision.
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Or maybe just the overall exposure to the more conservative dialog during the primaries was a put off. We did have to listen to months of it, and a lot of it was stuff a moderate wouldn't care for. I know the collective memory doesn't run very far into the past, but yeah, perhaps a bit too much for a bit too long?


Yes, it was just too much, and focused on the wrong things. Republicans have a lot of great ideas, but some of the remarks made just painted a frightening picture to those of us who would have otherwise voted for the smarter businessman. The price would have been too high this time, and the vote reflected that.

Edited, Nov 7th 2012 1:07pm by Torrence
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Markets not reacting to well to Obama's reelection.
At least you're reacting predictably by hiding further in your fantasy world. Smiley: smile
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Listening to Limbaugh. Surprisingly coherent. Mystified that single woman would vote for Obama, and that sort of faux outrage, but mostly soul searching.
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Listening to Limbaugh. Surprisingly coherent. Mystified that single woman would vote for Obama, and that sort of faux outrage, but mostly soul searching.


I'll have to wait for the transcript, but his website disgusts me already. His remarks likening Obama to Santa Claus, and the remarks made by Bill O'Reilly along the same lines (Obama supporters "wanting stuff") sicken me. It's just so adolescent. Attack the president's policies if you don't agree and offer alternatives. Don't wage war on half the nation just because you didn't get your way.
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I only heard a little bit of it but, when you're "soul searching" about why minorities aren't flocking under your banner after you put Rice, Rubio and Martinez on a stage and none of your potential answers include things like "that dog-whistle welfare campaign", "self deportation as an immigration platform", "we defended the idea that 47% of America is welfare leeches" and the GOP going apeshit over a black woman yelling "Obamaphone!", I think your soul searching lacks basic cartography.
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Wrong this election proved that there are more welfare leeches blacks and mexicans than working white men.


Or there are more working white women who don't buy into your mysogynistic crap as the way to a better life.
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Wrong this election proved that there are more welfare leeches blacks and mexicans than working white men.

Susanna Martinez, ladies and gentlemen! Let's hear it for her! Go vote Republican...

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Maybe this is off, but given that polling showed that the overwhelming majority of people in other countries (Canada, France, England, Austrailia, etc) would have thrown their support behind Obama... isn't it possible that his success could be evidence of a recalibration in terms of what "moderate" means in America to something more recognizable to people in pretty much any other democracy on earth?

It just seems weird to me that anyone would campaign on religious fundamentalism/woman hating/*** hating/poor hating etc and then be surprised they didn't win. I mean, really women + gays + poor people = more than 50% of the population of ANY country...

Expecting people to vote against their own interests consistently seems like a bad strategy, even if it has worked in the past.
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Wrong this election proved that there are more welfare leeches blacks and mexicans than working white men.


Thank God the Mormons all have at least 6 kids, or this election wouldn't have even been close?
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Nope what I said.
It's amusing when even you agree you were wrong.
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Listening to Limbaugh. Surprisingly coherent. Mystified that single woman would vote for Obama, and that sort of faux outrage, but mostly soul searching.

How is he mystified at that? Has he seen the demographics of his own listeners? It's all old men.
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Nope what I said. White working women are making much less now than 4 years ago.


We wouldn't have gotten equal pay under Romney. We'd have had our reproductive decisions taken away from us and been relegated to dusty binders, never to be heard from again.
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Listening to Limbaugh. Surprisingly coherent. Mystified that single woman would vote for Obama, and that sort of faux outrage, but mostly soul searching.

How is he mystified at that? Has he seen the demographics of his own listeners? It's all old men.


I'm sure he has. His listeners don't understand why single white women don't like them either. He's just echoing their confusion and profiting from it.

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Listening to Limbaugh. Surprisingly coherent. Mystified that single woman would vote for Obama, and that sort of faux outrage, but mostly soul searching.
How is he mystified at that? Has he seen the demographics of his own listeners? It's all old men.

****, did he turn on the TV last night and look at the Romney rally? You needed sunglasses to look directly at all that white.
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I did for a few minutes, but after trying to fix the color and tint I figured out it was the audience and not my TV.
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You needed sunglasses to look directly at all that white.


Smiley: lol

Said that exact same thing to the Mrs. last night.

They were showing the Obama and Romney rallys on a split screen. Everyone, every single person, in the picture on the right at the time was white, with blonde/light brown hair. While the other side was a mix of about everything you could imagine. Picture is worth 1,000 words or something, but that spelled out the demographic problem much better than any pundit ever has, in my mind at least.
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lolMississippi.

They make the rest of the south seem ultra liberal. Idiots.
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For kicks, I turned on Limbaugh for the first time in my life, just now. The first thing I heard was him reading an advertisement for a tax resolution company, telling the story of a woman who mistakenly didn't file her returns and now owes $20,000. Gbaji? Lololol
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I'll have to wait for the transcript, but his website disgusts me already. His remarks likening Obama to Santa Claus, and the remarks made by Bill O'Reilly along the same lines (Obama supporters "wanting stuff") sicken me. It's just so adolescent. Attack the president's policies if you don't agree and offer alternatives. Don't wage war on half the nation just because you didn't get your way.

Limbaugh doesn't do politics - no one would listen to him if he did. He's a shock-jock radio host.

If I put on my tinfoil hat I can imagine that the nations political atmosphere started becoming so toxic and divisive at about the same time that Limbaugh started growing in popularity. Miserable people love to have their grievances given credence by some drug-induced fat guy on the radio. Don't listen to him.

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This is the most sane conservative response I've seen to what went wrong. I still think they miss some fundamental mechanics and blame it almost entirely on the campaigns (with a brief nod to Hispanics) but it makes some good points especially when discussing the style of candidates to avoid (and which have cost the GOP seats for the last couple cycles).
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"Excellence in Broadcasting". It's the name of the producer of Limbaugh's show (and I think exclusively Limbaugh's show).

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My favorite part of that is this:

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said in regards to Todd Akin. It wasn't a poor answer; it was an absolutely ignorant one. It was completely false and worded in a very hostile way, but it illustrates a lack of understanding of basic science that is prevalent in the party and that's barely touched on in the article, except to say that

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Many commentators will now rush to declare Republicans an endangered species and pin the blame for the party’s woes on conservative ideas.


Conservative ideas are not the problem. Making up their own version of science to confuse people so they get on board with them is. Fifty or so years ago maybe Todd Akin would have been accepted as the authority on the female reproduction system because nobody really knew better. They didn't have access to things like the internet where they could get information from real doctors who were experts in their field. It's a new game, and Repulicans need to make drastic changes to how they play it. That kind of ignorance will not be tolerated by educated people in the elections going forward.

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when discussing the style of candidates to avoid (and which have cost the GOP seats for the last couple cycles).


#2 strikes me as especially true. A lot of the social conservative ideas are a bit less popular these days than in the recent past, especially among the younger crowd. Even though someone may not agree with the idea, many may be fine with accepting them in a candidate I suspect (assuming s/he has other redeeming qualities of course). Presenting them in a way that isn't so alarmist would make a huge difference.

You know try something like "unborn child is a victim too, and it's not their fault" instead of "it's not legitimate rape and it's a gift from God."

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"Pulled the hand grenade" seems fitting metaphor. Smiley: rolleyes

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Making up their own version of science to confuse people so they get on board with them is. Fifty or so years ago maybe Todd Akin would have been accepted as the authority on the female reproduction system because nobody really knew better. They didn't have access to things like the internet where they could get information from real doctors who were experts in their field. It's a new game, and Repulicans need to make drastic changes to how they play it. That kind of ignorance will not be tolerated by educated people in the elections going forward.


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TL:DR = Seriously, don't make up stupid $#!%.

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When those who are on the take outnumber those who work that's about it. The wealthy will flee just like they're doing in france.
No idea on the veracity of this but on the radio up here in Canada this morning, they were making fun of some Republicans who were complaining about Obama winning and were talking about moving to Canada.
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#2 strikes me as especially true. A lot of the social conservative ideas are a bit less popular these days than in the recent past, especially among the younger crowd. Even though someone may not agree with the idea, many may be fine with accepting them in a candidate I suspect (assuming s/he has other redeeming qualities of course). Presenting them in a way that isn't so alarmist would make a huge difference.

You know try something like "unborn child is a victim too, and it's not their fault" instead of "it's not legitimate rape and it's a gift from God."

Smiley: oyvey

Yeah, it seems like a reasonable articulation of that position could be, "I just really believe in my heart that it's a human life. And while I understand that restricting abortion is an infringement on the rights of the mother, I think that the value of the life and the child's rights outweigh the other position."

You don't even have to bring religion into it - secular humanists and non-evangelicals have a strong universal value of human life as well. You could also, you know, have a plan that includes (a) increased funding for free birth control (to limit the need for abortions in the first place) and (b) increased funding for adoptive services and such, to help out the women who are forced to carry to term.

But then, that's not a position that's a winner in state politics, so you'd have to take a hard line against abortion in the early part of your career, and then tack center for a national election. A flip-flop that people would also jump all over.
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No idea on the veracity of this but on the radio up here in Canada this morning, they were making fun of some Republicans who were complaining about Obama winning and were talking about moving to Canada.
It's like four years ago all over again. I'm waiting on the birth certificate coming back into play.
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No idea on the veracity of this but on the radio up here in Canada this morning, they were making fun of some Republicans who were complaining about Obama winning and were talking about moving to Canada.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956681/posts

I love the idea of a extreme right-winger moving to Costa Rica, a country that abolished its military 60 years ago to fund public education instead.

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OH MY GOD OBAMA WON AND NOW IT IS SNOWING HERE.

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There's no doubt about it that we're heading the way of socialist France. It'll be here before you know it.


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One can only hope a fair number of boomers die off before 2016 and we can make some real progress.
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Maybe this is off, but given that polling showed that the overwhelming majority of people in other countries (Canada, France, England, Austrailia, etc) would have thrown their support behind Obama... isn't it possible that his success could be evidence of a recalibration in terms of what "moderate" means in America to something more recognizable to people in pretty much any other democracy on earth?

It just seems weird to me that anyone would campaign on religious fundamentalism/woman hating/*** hating/poor hating etc and then be surprised they didn't win. I mean, really women + gays + poor people = more than 50% of the population of ANY country...

Expecting people to vote against their own interests consistently seems like a bad strategy, even if it has worked in the past.
You forgot to add anyone vaguely foreign looking to your equation.
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I still say that Romney was just thrown to the wolves and was meant to lose, much like Kerry.
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The question I keep hearing is "If not Romney, who else would have won?"

I think the answer is "One of the guys who was smart enough not to run this cycle". You had several potential serious contenders who stayed out, probably realizing it wasn't the cakewalk the GOP media was claiming and not wanting to poison their brand with failure.
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They don't really need a reluctant hero, either. Besides, his record isn't going to win him votes with all the folks who helped with an Obama win this year. They are going to have to look to someone else if they want to take back the presidency in 2016.
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The question I keep hearing is "If not Romney, who else would have won?"


The honest answer is "no one who gets through the GOP primary process" The Iowa Evangelical/NH Libertarian/SC Racist Gun nut whipsaw is a real problem for them. At least the DEM crazies are fairly evenly distributed throughout the process.
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