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#152 Nov 09 2012 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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As John Smith so famously said (based from 2 Thes 3:10), "He who does not work, neither shall he eat." Everyone needs a hand (or handout) once in a while. However, as his quote implies, even in dire circumstances, such as famine in the face of a struggling colony, there were thouse who either thought themselves too good to labor or were too lazy to join in the group effort towards success.


Right, there were. WASPS.. They're still at it today. There is no moral side of safety nets aside from the part where we don't let people die or live in miserable circumstances because we aren't selfish children. Hard work is no the strongest correlate with economic success. LUCK is. This fantasy that hard working people prosper is what destroys capitalism, not the safety net. Does it correlate? Yes, of course. All other things being equal the person who works hardest will succeed. The problem is all other things aren't equal.
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That reminds me back from my previous diatribe, I don't know if I've ever heard a Latino Catholic speak about Pauline Christianity. Religion pretty much begins and ends with the Gospels.

Hard to imagine Jesus or Mary saying "Starve to death, slack-ass".

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That reminds me back from my previous diatribe, I don't know if I've ever heard a Latino Catholic speak about Pauline Christianity.

It's because they're poor, not because they're brown. Poor White Catholics have a similar moral understanding of their faith, although lacking the "New and Improved, now with more psuedo pagan Goddesry!" packaging. As Latino Catholics acquire wealth and status, they'll want to prevent other people from infringing on that, and they'll bend their entire worldview until that makes sense. That train is never late.
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As John Smith so famously said (based from 2 Thes 3:10), "He who does not work, neither shall he eat." Everyone needs a hand (or handout) once in a while. However, as his quote implies, even in dire circumstances, such as famine in the face of a struggling colony, there were thouse who either thought themselves too good to labor or were too lazy to join in the group effort towards success.
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It's easy to make sweeping generalizations about the state of people we look down upon in America and cherry pick quotes to support those positions, but that was neither the intended use of his quote nor of that particular verse. That situation was drastically different than what we are facing today. There aren't enough jobs for people to get back to work - it's not that people don't want to help the colony thrive.

The majority of people we are talking about in America are out of work because of things that we did - dating back decades when we first discovered this amazing thing called outsourcing. We have systematically taken jobs out of America so that the corporations can cut costs (read: rich can get richer), and then some folks want to justify their disdain for the struggling middle and lower classes by using these kinds of quotes that aren't even applicable? It's reprehensible. If there was an abundance of jobs available and people were still staying on welfare instead of getting back to work, it would be one thing. That's just not the case.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who game the system. There are, on ALL levels. But this attack on Americans who have really been handed a lot of **** as we move towards this "global economy" is insulting. You can't strip Buy American clauses out of bills and then complain that Americans are just lazy and want a handout when they don't have a job.

What's ironic is that the above quote is much more acceptable than say, quoting Matthew 19:21. From the same book, but suggesting the rich redistribute their wealth is socialist and evil, right?
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Eh, I won't pretend to have studied it extensively but I've visited Flea's old church in suburban Virginia for instance and the focus is definitely different.
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#157 Nov 09 2012 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Bill Maher is a comedian.
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Rush Limbauh is an opinion leader in the GOP, and taken quite seriously by a large majority of GOP voters.

See the difference?

Not everybody does, unfortunately.
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It's not that I am unsure as to which party appeals to my political philosophy and social views, it's that I'm willing to accept that neither party absolutely personifies my beliefs.


There's an app for that.

Okay, I lied, it's not an app. But "there's a website linked from a thread in an internet gaming forum for that" hasn't invaded popular lexicon to the same degree. Smiley: rolleyes
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#159 Nov 09 2012 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
I took it, and got 89% Jill Stein and 85% Obama. Oh, and 3% with Romney. Smiley: lol
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I took it, and got 89% Jill Stein and 85% Obama. Oh, and 3% with Romney. Smiley: lol


I wish there had been more national talk about Jill Stein. A lot of the things that she did and said resonated with me. She's fearless.

I voted for Obama because I didn't want to *not* vote for him and then feel responsible for a Romney victory and the subsequent regression to 1950, but if there had been a snowball's chance in **** of her winning I definitely would have gone Green this year.

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I took it, and got 89% Jill Stein and 85% Obama. Oh, and 3% with Romney. Smiley: lol


I wish there had been more national talk about Jill Stein. A lot of the things that she did and said resonated with me. She's fearless.

I voted for Obama because I didn't want to *not* vote for him and then feel responsible for a Romney victory and the subsequent regression to 1950, but if there had been a snowball's chance in **** of her winning I definitely would have gone Green this year.

You could have voted for her with the goal of helping her try to get 5% of the popular vote in order to secure public financing in the next Presidential race. Of course, she didn't get anywhere near that mark so you don't have to feel like you could have made a difference anyway. Smiley: tongue
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And you just don't realize that every single small business owner in this country that files as a sub s corp is about to take it in the ass.
Speaking of taking it in the ass, how does it feel to be responsible for Obama's victory?
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I don't think it can be fixed.
Guess there's no reason to try, then.
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Half the people in this country are on the take. How do you propose we fix this?
Abortion incentives.
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truth in what I've said.
Honey, start being truthful and maybe someone will take you serious enough to answer your questions.
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Half the people in this country are on the take. How do you propose we fix this?
Abortion incentives.
Punch cards, like the pizza place. Get 10 abortions, and your 11th is on the house!
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You want the govn out of the bedroom but you don't mind putting the results of the actions in the bedroom on those of us that are responsible.

As one of the tax-paying people responsible for those "results", I advocate for family planning to be as cheap and widespread as possible and for abortion to remain a safe and legal option.
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#171 Nov 09 2012 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Half the people in this country are on the take. How do you propose we fix this? I don't think it can be fixed.


Not with that attitude. Smiley: disappointed

Let me know when you get rid of that child tax credit mess you all voted for. Smiley: rolleyes

Well okay, 1 of you didn't...

Making it bigger was pretty popular too...

Seriously, you should raise taxes on those old white people, they're the worst cheats of all...

Edited, Nov 9th 2012 3:27pm by someproteinguy
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#173 Nov 09 2012 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're an idiot. A few old tax cheats are but a drizzle compared to the tsunami of individual welfare bums.


Yeah, yeah heard all the spin before. Reduced to blaming all your problems on the poor folk now eh? You pubs are all the same, nothing but pretenders. Couldn't cut your precious government spending if your lives depended on it.

Smiley: disappointed

Edit: *hah pubs... I gotta lay off the SWTOR...*

Edited, Nov 9th 2012 7:02pm by someproteinguy
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According to Shawn Trendy (sp?) from RCP on the radio this morning, white voter turn-out was way down this election. Minorities didn't vote in significantly greater raw numbers, but they made up a larger percentage because the white voter base Romney was relying on stayed home.




I'm sorry, but......huh?!?!.................. Have you seen the sun recently.....in the past 15 years? Regardless of who stated that, regurgitated, or reqouted it?! That is beyond a ignorant statement.

Romney lost cuz he's a f*ckin' ignorant d*ck, and a f*ckin **** to boot, so is his VP candidate. We got the lesser of 2 evils, that's all it is, in a nutshell with the president elect of 2012.
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No, *you're* a nutshell!
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Hard work is no the strongest correlate with economic success. LUCK is. This fantasy that hard working people prosper is what destroys capitalism, not the safety net. Does it correlate? Yes, of course. All other things being equal the person who works hardest will succeed. The problem is all other things aren't equal.



Unfortunately, hard work gets you practically nowhere in this country. Taking advantage of the person working hard next to you, is what gets you somewhere in this country and has been the standard for quite.
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I'ma suggest the same to you. :P
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We had an Obama victory party at Trappeze tonight.

13 white, well-educated 30-somethings. The only person among the group who hadn't finished at least a BA was the one who's a manager for Microsoft. The remaining assortment ranged from a graphic design professional, an education professor, an interior designer, and several current graduate students (including myself and one who is finishing up his PhD in microbiology).

Everyone was employed. And aside from student loans, no one was on government "handouts."
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Romney lost cuz he's a f*ckin' ignorant d*ck, and a f*ckin **** to boot, so is his VP candidate.


Well, there is that...
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Unfortunately, hard work gets you practically nowhere in this country. Taking advantage of the person working hard next to you, is what gets you somewhere in this country and has been the standard for quite.


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#184 Nov 12 2012 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Did you manage to keep your job?
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No, only every employer that didn't already offer healthcare.

Meaning, any employer that offered a real job with real benefits really didn't see any changes.
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Guess you missed that bit where obama concealed the food stamp numbers prior to the election.

Bothered to look at the markets reaction?

Every business that has around 50 employees are firing people to avoid the new tax regulations.

A lot of poor people just voted towards extending their own poverty.


Down 2.44% over 5 days. ALPACALIPS NAO! Smiley: tinfoilhat

If it helps my brother-in-law's business is about 50 employees and hiring though, maybe you could get a job from him. You gotta be drug free and shave daily of course, think you can handle that?

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ALPACALIPS NAO! Smiley: tinfoilhat

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I get a bit confused about the "clean-shaven" provision. I have a goatee which I keep pretty neat and tidy; if I keep the rest of my face shaved (no stubble) does that count? Or do I have to revert back to my teenage look?
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I get a bit confused about the "clean-shaven" provision. I have a goatee which I keep pretty neat and tidy; if I keep the rest of my face shaved (no stubble) does that count? Or do I have to revert back to my teenage look?


Pretend you're in the military; they're a security company.

Now that I read what I wrote, that line seems pretty appropriate. Smiley: lol

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I wish the quiz had better options to include restrictions and/or circumstances instead of blanket answers..

Obama 89%
Stein 77%
Romney 75%

Seems pretty balanced to me..
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#195 Nov 12 2012 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
It was really close though. Too close to call even
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#196 Nov 12 2012 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wish the quiz had better options to include restrictions and/or circumstances instead of blanket answers..

Obama 89%
Stein 77%
Romney 75%

Seems pretty balanced to me..


It does... Did you not see the third option that every question had? If you click on that, it brings up a list of more elaborate and detailed answers. That way if it's not a clear cut issue for you, you don't have to stick with a yes or no answer.
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I wish the quiz had better options to include restrictions and/or circumstances instead of blanket answers..

Obama 89%
Stein 77%
Romney 75%

Seems pretty balanced to me..


It does... Did you not see the third option that every question had? If you click on that, it brings up a list of more elaborate and detailed answers. That way if it's not a clear cut issue for you, you don't have to stick with a yes or no answer.


Hmmm. might have been blocked or I just overlooked it. I will look again.
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Hmmm. So, it was blocked by firefox. I retook the quiz and here are my "new" scores..

Obama 61%
Romney 56%
Stein 44%

Ironically, my state and national percentages remained the same. I guess I'm "normal" Smiley: glare
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Aww, did that ruin your special snowflake opinions of yourself?
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I won't believe that until 2016 when each and every single vote is officially counted.
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