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#877 Nov 14 2012 at 7:09 PM Rating: Default
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Bill O is really showing his true colors.. He isn't so "Fair and Balance" now. I mean, we all know that he's on the right, but he used to at least pretend to be center.
#878 Nov 15 2012 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Couple choice quotes from people I enjoy:
David Frum wrote:
All voters want "stuff," Republicans as well as Democrats. If anything, Republican voters have been more successful at obtaining "stuff" than Democrats: Medicare is more generous than Medicaid, farm programs deliver better returns than means-tested programs.

The Romney-Ryan ticket did not stint on the stuff-offering itself: it promised Republican voters that all the cost of deficit reduction would be dumped on Democratic voters - voters under 55 - with Republicans gaining the additional benefit of a 20% cut in tax rates.

But Mitt Romney was very wrong to see 2012 as a referendum on "stuff." It was a referendum on the question, which candidate would do a better job promoting prosperity and creating jobs. That was the referendum that Romney and the Republican party lost. We lost both because voters did not believe in the job-creating magic of upper-income tax cuts - and because voters were unpersuaded that the GOP even cared that much about job creation, as opposed to wealth preservation.
John Avlon wrote:
A final point: President Obama backing the DREAM Act or contraception coverage is not a nakedly political gesture, it is a matter of policy difference. Addressing the needs and desires of people is not a bribe or a government gift to be exchanged for a vote. It is part of the purpose of representative government as conservative forefather Edmund Burke himself once envisioned: “Government is a contrivance of human wisdom to provide for human wants. Men have a right that these wants should be provided for by this wisdom.”

Romney’s distance from this perspective about government shows how far the conservative conversation has drifted from original principles. His impulse to rationalize defeat as victory for liberal special-interest bribery shows again that it is probably best for the country that he was not elected president this November.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#879 Nov 15 2012 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
Stuff that Democratic voters want:

- My insurance to not be allowed to deny me coverage because I slipped on a rug and busted up my knee cap last year
- My insurance, which I already pay out the nose for, to go ahead and treat my oral contraceptive as a drug preventing anemia (main reason I take it) rather than as some sort of elective cosmetic surgery\
- My employer to at least consider offering healthcare as part of a benefits package, rather than leaving me on my own. (Even better would be cutting the employer out of the equation entirely and just having the government handle it, like the rest of the civilized planet)
- Modern day immigrants to get the same fair shake at establishing roots here in the US that my ancestors did 100 years ago. (Back then, you signed your name at Ellis Island, pledged your allegiance, and moved out West. And that was that.)
- Adequate funding for school systems
- Properly built and maintained roads

So, if by "stuff" they mean basic human rights one ought to expect in the "greatest nation on Earth" as well as normal government services that are handled unquestioningly by every other first world country in the world, then yeah, you're damn right I want stuff!
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