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#302 Nov 05 2012 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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We don't have TV, so I miss most of the Warren/Brown ads, but I do hear the compelling Brown argument of "She pretended she was an indian!" on the radio about every 14 seconds.
Even on Rhode Island radio stations, I probably hear this ad more than any for RI politicians.

Yeah, I've heard it plenty north of MA as well.

The WoW politician continues to be a media highlight here. All the negative publicity from the right got her selected to be one of the DLCC essential races to watch for. Talk about a strategy back-firing....
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Sorry but no way you can spin that playing to a 3k crowd is better than playing to a 30k one

Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 48% (Columbus Dispatch)
Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 42% (Zogby)
Ohio: Obama 49%, Romney 46% (YouGov)
Ohio: Obama 48%, Romney 44% (Reuters/Ipsos)

I guess playing to a 3k crowd must be better than playing to a 30k one Smiley: laugh
Where's rasmussens numbers?

Here you are, champ:

Ohio: Obama 49%, Romney 48% (Rasmussen)

Edit: Whoops, bad info. 49-49 from Rasmussen. Only group since November to still have them tied.

Edited, Nov 5th 2012 3:16pm by Jophiel
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#304 Nov 05 2012 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like 28k of those people were just there for free hotdogs.
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I find it hard to believe that mini Fleajoph is already 2 years old. I demand pictures.

Here's a pic for ya. You'll have to excuse the colors; my wife can't post a photo on Facebook without giving it the Instagram "fuck you" to forty years of photography technology Smiley: laugh
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#306 Nov 05 2012 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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What is that he's playing with? No touchscreen, not even a keyboard and mouse...and look at the phone! That's positively ancient! How can you raise your child in such a barbaric manner?
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Hah... that phone is there for him to play with. It's my old flip phone. Keeps him off our expensive phones.
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#308 Nov 05 2012 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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Reminds me of how my brothers and I use to see children smashing buttons on controllers in Wal-mart. We would always laugh and say that we would never buy our kids games if they don't actually know how to play. I was the "late bloomer" at age 6 playing games, so we never understood how 10 year olds weren't capable of playing games.
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Hah... that phone is there for him to play with. It's my old flip phone. Keeps him off our expensive phones.

Good plan. We did that too. That'll last you another year, at most. Hope you've got Droids so you can download Angry Birds for free. There are at least three versions now.
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I've got an array of toddler games on my tablet. He enjoys the Hide & Seek and one that calls out types of vehicles and plays music.
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Not like anyone cares, but I'll clarify my point on polling. There isn't anything inherently wrong with polling or sampling. My beef is more with how they are conducted and how they are used to justify points. I differentiate sampling a small population to determine the average height of adult males vs who will win the general election. While both might represent what they seek, there are no variables to change the former in a short amount of time.
I thought you didn't believe in statistics?

Don't you dare try to make my signature a liar. Smiley: mad
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#312 Nov 05 2012 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not like anyone cares, but I'll clarify my point on polling. There isn't anything inherently wrong with polling or sampling. My beef is more with how they are conducted and how they are used to justify points. I differentiate sampling a small population to determine the average height of adult males vs who will win the general election. While both might represent what they seek, there are no variables to change the former in a short amount of time.

That makes more sense. I would simply say that the possible change in voting trends can be observed and isn't as extreme as you give it credit for. That's also the difference between a poll, and a site like 538 which uses the polls and historical data to drive a simulation that actually makes predictions. This is why Romney still has that 20% chance to win, because that's the calculated error.
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#313 Nov 06 2012 at 1:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man, even the "Unskewed polls" guy barely gives Romney a victory with 275 EVs.
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#314 Nov 06 2012 at 5:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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So this is kinda neat: NY Times has made a map with directions to the White house. Out of 512 possible outcomes, Obama wins 431, 5 are tied and Romney wins 76.
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Not like anyone cares, but I'll clarify my point on polling. There isn't anything inherently wrong with polling or sampling. My beef is more with how they are conducted and how they are used to justify points. I differentiate sampling a small population to determine the average height of adult males vs who will win the general election. While both might represent what they seek, there are no variables to change the former in a short amount of time.
I thought you didn't believe in statistics?

Don't you dare try to make my signature a liar. Smiley: mad


You would be a fool not to have a bias against statistics. Having a bias and not believing in statistics are not one AND the same. Ok, I just wanted to say that, but it's true. I recently have not seen anyone talk about polls and not dismiss other polls. Every time a poll is presented that contradicts their poll, they "dig deeper" into the poll and come up with numerous flaws on why the other poll is inaccurate and theirs is right.

If you sit back and take every poll (especially political ones) at face value, then you're simply a fool. There's no other way to put it. So, yes, I'm biased against statistics. I'm not sure how you think that's funny. It' called reality. If you've ever done any scholastic research, you would definitely understand it more.
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Man, even the "Unskewed polls" guy barely gives Romney a victory with 275 EVs.


Don't worry, Dick Morris is allays there to fight the battle against reality.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/266027-prediction-romney-325-obama-213-
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Obama plays to half empty arena. Oh how the chosen one has fallen.
It's kind of cute how hard you try.
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Hannah and I just returned from voting. For some reason they didn't show me as registered so she got an exciting peek into the sausage making process of 15 very polite old white people trying to figure out what to do for an hour before finally giving me a ballot.
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Well, thank God Massachusetts will go blue now.
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Obama plays to half empty arena. Oh how the chosen one has fallen.
It's kind of cute how hard you try.

not cute.
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Well, thank God Massachusetts will go blue now.

Hey, Warren isn't a sure thing!
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The only notable thing about my voting experience this morning was that the Election Judge was a 15-year-old kid. Well, I suppose he was probably 18, but not much more. As Election Judge, he apparently had two duties: 1) verifying the registration checker's initials on my ballot before I fed it into the machine, and 2) handing out stickers.
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While I was visiting Mass a few weeks ago, there were some young Warren squaws and braves out busily stumping for her. Seeing them I was reminded of Dennis Miller joking about asking if he could donate to her campaign, but the glass beads he offered were angrily refused.

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As Election Judge, he apparently had two duties: 1) verifying the registration checker's initials on my ballot before I fed it into the machine, and 2) handing out stickers.

They rotate duties throughout the day but, so some extent, his job was probably "Provide the required 2:3 ratio of D:R or R:D judges"

Also, my polling place had no stickers which upset Flea mightily.
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Obama plays to half empty arena.
Even Clint Eastwood's audience supports Obama, huh.
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At this time, to judge by the scant results filtering in, Obama is leading handily. However, that is to be expected since all the Republicans are still at work...

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At this time, to judge by the scant results filtering in, Obama is leading handily. However, that is to be expected since all the Republicans are still at work...

At work counting votes is the better punchline. Don't forget to cast your vote. That Fienstein race is a squeaker.
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At this time, to judge by the scant results filtering in, Obama is leading handily. However, that is to be expected since all the Republicans are still at work...

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What's with all the bad second-hand humoUr?

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He's reduced to stealing jokes from Dennis Miller. Show a little sympathy.
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538 dropped from 92% Obama to 90.9% Obama.

Mitt-mentum!
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538 dropped from 92% Obama to 90.9% Obama.

Mitt-mentum!
Probably because of Newt Gingrich's prediction that Romney will take over 300 EV's for sure.
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At this time, to judge by the scant results filtering in, Obama is leading handily. However, that is to be expected since all the Republicans are still at work...

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What are you talking about? Romney's key demographic is retired.
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It's work just getting out of bed at that point.
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At this time, to judge by the scant results filtering in, Obama is leading handily. However, that is to be expected since all the Republicans are still at work...

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What are you talking about? Romney's key demographic is retired.


In the realm of old white politicians, Romney is one of the whipper-snappers.

Did anyone win this thing yet?

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Obama crushing it in early OH exits. Kerry did too, of course....
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Not sure if it's true, but was told that Romney owned the business that makes the voting machines. I thought that was pretty funny...Smiley: lol Some people might have Christmas earlier.
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Not sure if it's true, but was told that Romney owned the business that makes the voting machines. I thought that was pretty funny...Smiley: lol Some people might have Christmas earlier.


mmmmHHHMMMmmmm..... Smiley: dubious

It's bad calibration and one reason I dislike the electronic only thing but no, I don't believe it was HAXX!! unless they were dumb enough to hack is in a way blindingly obvious to the voter.

Edited, Nov 6th 2012 3:15pm by Jophiel
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Not sure if it's true, but was told that Romney owned the business that makes the voting machines. I thought that was pretty funny...Smiley: lol Some people might have Christmas earlier.


mmmmHHHMMMmmmm..... Smiley: dubious

It's bad calibration and one reason I dislike the electronic only thing but no, I don't believe it was HAXX!! unless they were dumb enough to hack is in a way blindingly obvious to the voter.

Edited, Nov 6th 2012 3:15pm by Jophiel


I was wondering why Romney's name appeared first on the ballot there. Was going to post the question, then decided to not be a lazy ass and googled it myself. In case anyone's curious:

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/article/201348/52/Why-Does-Romneys-Name-Appear-First-on-the-Ballot

And, the ulterior reason that I was curious about it:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/nameplac.htm

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In Ohio they rotate the list from precinct to precinct. Obama comes before Romney but, if you rotate it one tick upward, the list starts with Romney, lists all the third party yahoos and ends with Obama.

That's just an artifact of the way they try to keep it fair though.
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Yeah it's "randomized" in most places.

Honestly though if you simply check the name that's at the top of the ballot without reading it, I'm not sure you should actually be voting without some assistance.
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That's just an artifact of the way they try to keep it fair though.


If they really wanted to make it fair, then the candidates names would be arranged on a bottom-left - to - top-right diagonal, thereby balancing our tendencies to read left-to-right and top-to-bottom.


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PS: Of course, studies would need to be done to determine the exact angle. I think 45° still favors the top guy. 30° seems more balanced, to me. But length of name is also a variable that needs to be accounted for. There's an algorithm for all this, somehow. And yes, I'm aware that I'm taking this a bit too seriously.

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I voted for Zombieland because it was on top... Smiley: um

Anyway we randomize, the Green Party chick was on top here.

Usually if it gets to the point where I'd be using something arbitrary there other far better criteria. My favorites include: not voting for someone who has a similar name to someone you hate, voting for the woman, or going for the shorter name. Also kudos to people who have names I can pronounce, and sometimes alternating top and bottom is cool too. Really depends on the mood.

Edited, Nov 6th 2012 1:51pm by someproteinguy
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#347Almalieque, Posted: Nov 06 2012 at 3:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They should be placed under two different "cups" with an extra cup that has a "You lose" message. After being rotated around for about 15 seconds, you are able to choose a cup. Whatever you choose, is your vote. Test your sight!
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And, the ulterior reason that I was curious about it:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/nameplac.htm


Not really relevant for president though. I'm sure the research most applies to that handful of positions you vote for every time that you have no clue who the hell anyone is anyway. So if you're running for a judicial spot or school board slot, it might make a difference.
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I would list a bunch of positions that you have to agree or disagree with along side a given weight. After you finish, your responses will be paired to those positions of the candidates. There's your vote.
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And, the ulterior reason that I was curious about it:

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/nameplac.htm


Not really relevant for president though. I'm sure the research most applies to that handful of positions you vote for every time that you have no clue who the hell anyone is anyway. So if you're running for a judicial spot or school board slot, it might make a difference.


I'm not really willing to say one way or the other if I think it would be relevant. I honestly have no clue how many people walk into a polling booth undecided.
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