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#752 Nov 07 2012 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Irritated that pot decriminalization/legalization didn't pass in Oregon. Other than that, I'm a pretty happy camper!


It still passed in Colorado/Washington, which is a start. Once they start taxing it and duke it out with the feds, and let loose all the people in jail for Nonviolent pot charges, if they do that, and suddenly see hey those states are saving tons of taxpayer dollars, not imprisoning potheads etc, and getting revenue from the taxes on it, More states will be more willing to legalize it.


Something like that. I'm more likely to vote for it next time at this point.


Edited, Nov 7th 2012 7:39am by someproteinguy
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Actually, because of the pickups in the house, I've already heard Newt say the GOP & Boehner have a mandate too.

Dueling Mandates!!!

What pickups? Democrats had 193 before. They have 191 now, with 13 races not yet called.

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#757 Nov 07 2012 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
Fox's Exit Polls:

Neat Stuff:

Remember how Obama kept saying the under 30 crowd would show up? They were 19% of the total vote, 1 point higher than 08', & went 60% > 37% over Romney.

Romney won Independents 49% 45%

They have women backing Obama by 11 points, but Married women swung for Romney by 7.

Men swung for Romney 52-45%, Married men for Romney 60-38%.

Evangelicals made up 26 percent of the voters and 78% favored Romney.

Sandy Factor: About four voters in 10 say Obama’s response to Hurricane Sandy was important to their vote (42 percent), and they backed the president by a better than two-to-one margin. Fifteen percent said it was the “most important” factor in their vote.

& for Varrus:

National Blame For Current Economic Problems:

Obama 38%
Bush 53%





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This one was my favorite:

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Meanwhile, more Democrats than Republicans voted, 38-32 percent. In 2008, Democrats also outnumbered Republicans by 39-32 percent.


Given the recent commentary about correcting for it in polling bias... Smiley: rolleyes
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A Fordham University study ranked 28 polling firms on how their pre-election national surveys compared to the results on Election Day. The ranking:

1. PPP (D)
1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP
3. YouGov
4. Ipsos/Reuters
5. Purple Strategies
6. NBC/WSJ
6. CBS/NYT
6. YouGov/Economist
9. UPI/CVOTER
10. IBD/TIPP
11. Angus-Reid
12. ABC/WP
13. Pew Research
13. Hartford Courant/UConn
15. CNN/ORC
15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA
15. Politico/GWU/Battleground
15. FOX News
15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics
15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics
15. American Research Group
15. Gravis Marketing
23. Democracy Corps (D)
24. Rasmussen
24. Gallup
26. NPR
27. National Journal
28. AP/GfK

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#760 Nov 07 2012 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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That poll of polls was oversampled.
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#761 Nov 07 2012 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Irritated that pot decriminalization/legalization didn't pass in Oregon. Other than that, I'm a pretty happy camper!


It still passed in Colorado/Washington, which is a start. Once they start taxing it and duke it out with the feds, and let loose all the people in jail for Nonviolent pot charges, if they do that, and suddenly see hey those states are saving tons of taxpayer dollars, not imprisoning potheads etc, and getting revenue from the taxes on it, More states will be more willing to legalize it.


Something like that. I'm more likely to vote for it next time at this point.


Edited, Nov 7th 2012 7:39am by someproteinguy


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Although I can concede that two out of three is better than none. Hopefully this will help move the country forward on this issue.
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To support his claim that "My generation is clueless." I don't think he realizes that while there may be large universities in these areas, the students of those universities by and large do NOT vote within that county. Most still have permanent residency in their home counties/states, and their absentee ballots would be cast for those areas and not their schools'. He also seems to not understand population distributions, as all of these counties have some of the densest population rates in Florida and most FL cities went blue in this election. The only densely populated areas that didn't go for Obama seemed to be around Jacksonville (to my quick glance comparing population densities).

In more Smiley: rolleyes news, Allen West can't believe he lost and is pursuing legal recourse for a recount. His campaign also implied that the election supervisor of St. Lucie county had thrown the race and broken the law multiple times.
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Late last night Congressman West maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections “recounted” thousands of early ballots. Following that “recount” Congressman West trailed by 2,400 votes. In addition, there were numerous other disturbing irregularities reported at polls across St. Lucie County including the doors to polling places being locked when the polls closed, in direct violation of Florida law, thereby preventing the public from witnessing the procedures used to tabulate results. The St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections office clearly ignored proper rules and procedures, and the scene at the Supervisor’s office last night could only be described as complete chaos. Given the hostility and demonstrated incompetence of the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections, we believe it is critical that a full hand recount of the ballots take place in St. Lucie County. We will continue to fight to ensure every vote is counted properly and fairly, and accordingly will pursue all legal means necessary.”
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#763 Nov 07 2012 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Y'all missed the scandal in 2010 when the pollster that Kos had hired was basically making up numbers to keep him happy. As soon as he realized he'd been cheated, he fired them, and then scrounged around for the pollster who actually predicted the 2010 numbers right. That pollster was PPP.

Daily Kos, the Great Orange Satan and the liberal hive of scum and liberal villainry, actually likes to live in reality as much as possible. Unlike our sworn arch enemies over at Red State.
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#764 Nov 07 2012 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Awww, sorry.

Forgive? Smiley: flowers

Like I said in the other thread, I'm not opposed to it in principle. But if we ended up passing this on our own it would have put us in a sticky situation of both having to pay to fight for it in the courts, and (I feared) make the state a bit of a magnet for less-desirable aspects of the business for a while. With other states around us going ahead on legalization, I'm hoping they'll work out the kinks and make it an easier transition here.
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The thing about the pot debate is that it's still against Federal drug laws, so the DEA can and will raid operations that are considered legal by the state (and this has been happening for some time in areas where medical marijuana is legal). Because they have jurisdiction, and they're a federal law enforcement agency, there isn't actually anything the state can do.

The state level legalization is more about decriminalizing use and low level possession. There's no way to legally set up dispensaries, as far as I know.

It's more a stepping stone to garnering public support in other states, which would ultimately create the kind of support needed to remove it from the list of prohibited substances.
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A Fordham University study ranked 28 polling firms on how their pre-election national surveys compared to the results on Election Day. The ranking:

1. PPP (D)
1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP

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BTW our likely voter screen is hang up if you're not going to vote. Don't need a PhD to come up with that but it seems to work.

Smiley: laugh

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Should we hold hope for Boehner's words? Is the House really willing to be led?

Part of me wants to say no... but a smaller part hopes to say yes.
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Should we hold hope for Boehner's words? Is the House really willing to be led?

Part of me wants to say no... but a smaller part hopes to say yes.

I'm guessing his offered compromise is going to be like 2 millimeters to the left of what they want, but still far to the right of what a 50/50 compromise would be.

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Should we hold hope for Boehner's words? Is the House really willing to be led?

Boehner is a terrible, weak House Speaker and gets led by his party rather than the other way around. He may have the best of intentions but that's like me saying I honestly wanted the cattle stampede to turn left when I asked it nicely but it just wouldn't listen.
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I actually decided to watch Hannity today, after Bill for the outrage.. I like how they're upset about the change of the demographics... "We're not a majority white anymore" "We need more Hispanic voters". "If the VP were Hispanic, Romney would have won". I like how they are targeting the Hispanic vote, blaming them for the loss, even though more Black Americans voted.
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I think the GOP is under the illusion that, if they could just get credit for some sort of immigration reform and toss a brown person the ballot, they'd capture a significant portion of the Hispanic vote. They don't have a single issue like that to try to play against the black vote.

If it was Barack Obama vs Herman Cain, do you think Cain would have picked up a noteworthy percentage of the black vote?
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I think the GOP is under the illusion that, if they could just get credit for some sort of immigration reform and toss a brown person the ballot, they'd capture a significant portion of the Hispanic vote. They don't have a single issue like that to try to play against the black vote.



That's what McCain tried with his VP pick. Everyone knew that the US wasn't going to nominate another Republican after Bush and the race to the white house was going to be between President Obama and Hilary Clinton. Either way, history was going to be made and McCain was too much like George Bush. He wanted to spice it up and thought it would do something but it didn't work.

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If it was Barack Obama vs Herman Cain, do you think Cain would have picked up a noteworthy percentage of the black vote?


Only black republicans would support him. It is taboo to be a black republican and I'm sure some of it has to do with "monkey see monkey do", but as the bishops said in the link that I provided in the other thread, you wont find a candidate that you 100% agree with. Democrats just seem to appeal to the struggles that affect the black community more so than the Republicans.

Now, to tie in both comments, if Sarah Palin were more appealing, I believe that she would have taken more of the women vote than Romney, same with McCain (assuming his opponent weren't black). People will vote for certain demographics, but I don't think they are completely ignorant to completely overlook every flaw. The candidates have to have some level of competency.
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If it was Barack Obama vs Herman Cain, do you think Cain would have picked up a noteworthy percentage of the black vote?
Only black republicans would support him. It is taboo to be a black republican and I'm sure some of it has to do with "monkey see monkey do", but as the bishops said in the link that I provided in the other thread, you wont find a candidate that you 100% agree with. Democrats just seem to appeal to the struggles that affect the black community more so than the Republicans.

Sure, that was my point. Some people act as though blacks only voted for Obama because he's black. If they got a black guy on the ballot, you'd split that significantly.

Obama did run against a black guy for the IL senate seat, Alan Keyes. Trounced him. Granted Keyes was a miserable candidate and completely whack-a-doodle so he's not the best test, but I can certainly say that he didn't peel apart the African-American vote based on race and some unreleased groundswell for blacks just wishing they could vote Republican.

Republicans seem to have a very shallow notion of how to get minorities to vote for them.
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Not that it really matters but the Romney campaign is throwing in the towel on Florida:
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Though votes are still being tallied, President Obama is all but assured a victory in Florida because the lion’s share of the outstanding ballots come from Democratic-heavy counties.

Obama leads Republican Mitt Romney by 55,825 votes — or 49.9 percent to 49.24 — but there just aren’t enough votes from Republican areas to allow the challenger to catch up.

Romney’s Florida campaign has acknowledged their candidate lost in Florida as well. Romney already conceded the national race after he lost the other battleground states.

“The numbers in Florida show this was winnable,” Brett Doster, Florida advisor for Romney, said in a statement. “We thought based on our polling and range of organization that we had done what we needed to win. Obviously, we didn’t, and for that I and every other operative in Florida has a sick feeling that we left something on the table. I can assure you this won’t happen again.”


So Obama wins by a razor sharp margin of 332-206 electoral votes.

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So Obama wins by a razor sharp margin of 332-206 electoral votes.

That was a close one!
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Sure, that was my point. Some people act as though blacks only voted for Obama because he's black. If they got a black guy on the ballot, you'd split that significantly.

Obama did run against a black guy for the IL senate seat, Alan Keyes. Trounced him. Granted Keyes was a miserable candidate and completely whack-a-doodle so he's not the best test, but I can certainly say that he didn't peel apart the African-American vote based on race and some unreleased groundswell for blacks just wishing they could vote Republican.

Republicans seem to have a very shallow notion of how to get minorities to vote for them.


There is still a level of common sense necessary to get the sheeple, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. If both people are of the same demographic, then you can't say that one would win over the over because of their demographics, because they are the same. However, if the candidates are of different demographics, it is possible to get votes based on demographics, especially if its the first, but you can't be a "whack-a-doodle" and expect to get it. That's why Operation Sarah Palin failed.

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Republicans seem to have a very shallow notion of how to get minorities to vote for them.


Yes, they are desperate. They realize that they can't win solely off the white man vote anymore. Losing 50% of the women is crucial, given that women make up a large percentage of the vote.
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Mitt Romney was "shellshocked" at losing the presidential race, an adviser tells CBS News.

"They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time -- poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney. As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed -- they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night."

That strikes me as fucking insane that this delusion and self-created blindness carried all the way to the top with Romney himself. It's one thing to assume that the campaign and the GOP intelligentsia were just bullshitting the rank-and-file voters with the "we have the momentum and great internal polls" talk but to hear that Mitt Romney actually believed that the Unskewed Polls dipshit was a more credible source than the wealth of real polling data just blows my mind. Thank God that moron wasn't elected. THAT was the hard facts and data driven economic stewardship we had to look forward to?
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Also, I never paid any attention to Rachel Maddow before but I might have to start...

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Rachel is the Democratic version of Hannity.. Can't stand either of them.... at least alone. Together, I can get the whole picture.
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That strikes me as ******* insane that this delusion and self-created blindness carried all the way to the top with Romney himself. It's one thing to assume that the campaign and the GOP intelligentsia were just ************ the rank-and-file voters with the "we have the momentum and great internal polls" talk but to hear that Mitt Romney actually believed that the Unskewed Polls ******* was a more credible source than the wealth of real polling data just blows my mind. Thank God that moron wasn't elected. THAT was the hard facts and data driven economic stewardship we had to look forward to?

Meh, not that strange, really. The candidate rarely understands what's going on, and that's ok. He's running for President, a job that requires making decisions about things he would know virtually nothing about. It's not like Obama gets briefed on what's happening in Ubekibekibekistan in the morning and then knows more than lead analyst.
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We watched that. I love her now.
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One of the very few folks in the pundit class with a solid education to back up her opinions. Unlike Oldermann, who often comes off sounding like a crazy drunk uncle, she frequently sounds more like a first grade teacher.

Actually, she sort of looks like my kindergarten teacher, Ms Edenfield, come to think of it.
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We watched that. I love her now.

That, and the Hitler video, are easily the best things I've seen all day.
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It's not like Obama gets briefed on what's happening in Ubekibekibekistan in the morning and then knows more than lead analyst.

If the lead analyst is saying Ubekibekibekistan is a small island located 10,000 miles underneath Australia because that's the answer that makes them all feel better in defiance of all the maps, globes and common sense, that's still a bit of a problem Smiley: laugh

Even more so if, say, they all decide Ubekibekibekistan has weapons of mass destruction because they really wanted to hear that Ubekibekibekistan has weapons of mass destruction


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Seriously, you guys didn't know about Rachel before!? I know that technically she's a pundit, but I just have a really hard time seeing her as one. She has a Ph.D. in politics, which she earned at Oxford and she was a Rhodes scholar. Not only is she ridiculously smart, she's gracious. I've seen her interview conservatives before, she very rarely interrupts them, and she never ever yells or screams. I've been watching her show since she got it four years ago. I used to love watching her fill in for Olbermann when he still had a show. He actually was pretty important in helping her get her own show, so I gotta give him props for that, even if he's rather obnoxious.
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I know WHO she is. I just never bothered to pay attention to her or watch her show. I watch very, very little TV as it is and almost none of that is the news networks unless there's some major event going on.

Speaking of, CNN did a fantastic job on Tuesday night. I always laugh at their over the top gadgets and effects but they replaced the asinine "holograms" from 2008 for using the tech in an informative and wonky manner and it was great.
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If the lead analyst is saying Ubekibekibekistan is a small island located 10,000 miles underneath Australia because that's the answer that makes them all feel better in defiance of all the maps, globes and common sense, that's still a bit of a problem


You mean if the information gathering process was somehow politicized and people in power were told what they wanted to hear rather than an objective analysis? Perish the thought. Thank goodness THAT never happens in the Obama administration.
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Not true. Cracked on O'Reilly:

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apparently he's not the anti-intellectual dimwit his enemies like to imagine. According to basically every list of surprising celebrity SAT scores on the Internet, O'Reilly put up a near perfect 1585 out of 1600 on his SATs, and his college career indicates a downright shocking level of intellectual curiosity. He graduated from Marist University with honors and went on to earn a masters degree from Boston University and a second masters from Harvard, before deciding to yell the F-word at teleprompters for a living.


Also, I think you're referring to Olbermann, who while may come across as a drunk uncle, enrolled in college at 16.

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#792 Nov 09 2012 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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O'Reilly has a segment on my morning radio program called the "Talking Points Memo" in which he sounds like an embittered Andy Rooney, going on about how America is falling apart because boys don't play pick-up games of stick ball in the alley any longer.
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#793 Nov 09 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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It's been a while since I heard anyone use the term "shellacked."
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One of the very few folks in the pundit class with a solid education to back up her opinions. Unlike Oldermann, who often comes off sounding like a crazy drunk uncle, she frequently sounds more like a first grade teacher.


Not true. Cracked on O'Reilly:

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apparently he's not the anti-intellectual dimwit his enemies like to imagine. According to basically every list of surprising celebrity SAT scores on the Internet, O'Reilly put up a near perfect 1585 out of 1600 on his SATs, and his college career indicates a downright shocking level of intellectual curiosity. He graduated from Marist University with honors and went on to earn a masters degree from Boston University and a second masters from Harvard, before deciding to yell the F-word at teleprompters for a living.


Also, I think you're referring to Olbermann, who while may come across as a drunk uncle, enrolled in college at 16.


After watching the 90 minute debate between O'Reilly and Stewart, I realized that the guy is actually quite sharp. It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.

And that Maddow clip was awesome.

I'm amused at how many people (online) are saying Obama's reelection is calling God's wrath down on America. I mean, was Mitt Romney supposed to be some kind of spiritual glass dome that kept us from a rain of fire and brimstone? So many religious conservatives (mostly Evangelicals) seemed to say "I don't care about Romney's religion, I care about his policies" and now turn around and say him not getting elected is a sign of God's disfavor. I kinda roll my eyes and go "Uh, right..."
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#795 Nov 09 2012 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Marist, huh? I guess we have more than just Rik Smits as a claim to fame!

Not that I have any affiliation with the college, but it's the local campus. That and Vassar.
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It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.


Eh, he did have that "DO IT LIVE." flip-out. I'm inclined to think that the anger is real.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.


Eh, he did have that "DO IT LIVE." flip-out. I'm inclined to think that the anger is real.


That is unfair to him because I'm sure everyone has their freak out moment at least once in their life. Although I don't agree with him on varying issues, he is an intelligent person.
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Almalieque wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.


Eh, he did have that "DO IT LIVE." flip-out. I'm inclined to think that the anger is real.


That is unfair to him because I'm sure everyone has their freak out moment at least once in their life. Although I don't agree with him on varying issues, he is an intelligent person.


Thats the thing...he really isn't. He is a parrot.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.


Eh, he did have that "DO IT LIVE." flip-out. I'm inclined to think that the anger is real.


And for all his supposed intellect, he's given us two amazing memes in regard to his dismissal of modern science.

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Almalieque wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
It seems like him being a complete angry *** is probably more for showmanship than actual irrationality. Anger sells for pundits; no one likes a calm, boring persona.


Eh, he did have that "DO IT LIVE." flip-out. I'm inclined to think that the anger is real.


That is unfair to him because I'm sure everyone has their freak out moment at least once in their life. Although I don't agree with him on varying issues, he is an intelligent person.


Thats the thing...he really isn't. He is a parrot.


..... haha.. I keep forgetting that you're still new at this..
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