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#227 Oct 24 2012 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edited, Oct 24th 2012 6:24pm by Jophiel
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#228 Oct 24 2012 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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#229 Oct 24 2012 at 5:39 PM Rating: Default
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Because you're wrong? People stated that it wasn't the things that Obama said that caused him to lose, but things that he DID NOT SAY.


It was his body language. It was his failure to defend his positions. It was his lack of counters to Romney's statements. That's why he lost the first debate.

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People said he lost because he didn't counter Romney and appeared that he didn't want to be there, just standing there letting Romney lie all over the place.


Yup. And these are not mistakes that Romney made. Hence, why it's apples and oranges. You honestly couldn't noodle this out?

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It wasn't over content. So, there isn't anything that you can say on how he "won". Anyone believing that he won the debate, other than being more "calm" is in denial.


Again: Apples and oranges. Do you even understand that the challenger and the incumbent have different things they need to accomplish with these debates? It really isn't about just scoring the debates like it's two college kids in class. It's about how the performance in the debate affects the election. You have to understand that and then understand what each candidate is trying to accomplish and *then* you can judge a debate performance.


Soooooo. you still haven't seen the video link? He didn't defend any point. He changed all of his points to agree with President Obama. If it weren't blatant contradiction, then you could have a point.
#230 Oct 24 2012 at 6:15 PM Rating: Default
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Soooooo. you still haven't seen the video link?


From TDS? I watched the debate itself. WTF?

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He didn't defend any point.


He defended several key points. He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw). He effectively countered Obama's claim that he hasn't been ignoring Israel. He also correctly defended his statements about allowing the car companies go into bankruptcy (which Obama got completely wrong btw).

What he didn't do was allow the President to drag him into an argument about other topics. He controlled what was debated. If you failed to see that then you weren't paying attention. He choose to steer the topics away from areas he knew the president would be prepared for and into areas he wasn't (or at least which Romney was much better prepared for).

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He changed all of his points to agree with President Obama. If it weren't blatant contradiction, then you could have a point.


You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy. He didn't change his positions. He just choose not to get into arguments about nuanced differences of positions which most voters aren't going to understand, but which would put the advantage into Obama's court. Romney outmaneuvered Obama on this debate.
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#231 Oct 24 2012 at 6:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy.

If the GOP believed this was true, they wouldn't be twisting themselves all over screaming about Benghazi.

Of course, the GOP screaming has gotten about zero traction so maybe there is something to it. Hrmmmm...
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#232 Oct 24 2012 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
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From TDS? I watched the debate itself. WTF?


So, I take that as a "no"..

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He didn't change his positions. He just choose not to get into arguments about nuanced differences of positions which most voters aren't going to understand, but which would put the advantage into Obama's court. Romney outmaneuvered Obama on this debate.


If you watched the link, then you would see why. There's a reason why I didn't ask if you watched the debate. Hint: They aren't the same thing.........

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He defended several key points.


He did the same exact thing President Obama did in the first election, lost.
#233 Oct 24 2012 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw).


Sure they were.
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#234gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador.
#235 Oct 24 2012 at 8:06 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
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You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy.

If the GOP believed this was true, they wouldn't be twisting themselves all over screaming about Benghazi.


You're confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador.

You mean "The vast majority of U.S citizens who care about foreign policy" is confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador. They should know that it has nothing to do with foreigners or how we conduct business in foreign lands.
#236 Oct 24 2012 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
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Not sure what you're trying to say, but what I was saying is that most Americans don't care about the details of trade agreements, distribution of military forces around the world, which countries we have what treaties with, etc. That's what I mean by they don't pay attention to foreign policy.

They do pay attention when a consulate gets attacked killing our ambassador and staff. Hence why those are two different things.
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#237 Oct 24 2012 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.
That he was a Democrat.


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ITT: Sweating in nervousness means you look presidential.


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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewy".

Sweating is what poor people do.


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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewyGlistens".

Sweating is what poor people do.



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Guys, you're missing the point.

Romney looked white.


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Edit: Sorry, a noble white dressage steed.


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Edited, Oct 24th 2012 10:27pm by Eske
#238 Oct 24 2012 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.


If Governor Romney won that debate, then President Obama won the first debate. You can't have it both ways.


Apples and oranges. I could spend 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining why to you


And you do. Always.

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it's unlikely you'll get it even after I've explained it, so why bother.


Would help if your explanation wasn't totally ficticious and intended to serve only one purpose - perpetuate your delusions.
#239 Oct 24 2012 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw).



Sure they were.


No worries, gbaji, I can wait.
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#240 Oct 24 2012 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
That he looked presidential and in control. Obama was in attack mode, but failed to score more than the most superficial of hits. Romney, on the other hand, controlled the debate. He played rope-a-dope with the president. Quite well really. He made himself look like the front runner and Obama the guy trying to catch up. This allows him to maintain his momentum. And that's really all that matters. Again, it's not really about who is better at foreign policy (cause 99% of the folks at home don't have a clue anyway). It's about who looks more like a president. That's the battle Romney was fighting. Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.

Which debate are *you* talking about?
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#241 Oct 25 2012 at 4:50 AM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to say, but what I was saying is that most Americans don't care about the details of trade agreements, distribution of military forces around the world, which countries we have what treaties with, etc. That's what I mean by they don't pay attention to foreign policy.

They do pay attention when a consulate gets attacked killing our ambassador and staff. Hence why those are two different things.


What I mean is that you should watch the first 5-8 mins of the link.

Edit: To be on point. What you had said might have been true, but the attack sparked people's interest in those things. They want to now know what what are our foreign practices to keep people safe. In any case, it doesn't matter. The topic of the debate is chosen. If you don't want to cooperate with the debate, then don't show up. Obviously people care about it or it wouldn't have been an entire topic. You don't just show up and just start talking about whatever you want. If you claim that is what Romney done because that's what the people wanted to hear, then he lost the debate, because the topic was on foreign policies.

If this were school and you chose your own topic to discuss after being given a topic to discuss, you would fail.

Edited, Oct 25th 2012 12:56pm by Almalieque
#242 Oct 25 2012 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Which debate are *you* talking about?
He said he DVR'd them. He never said he watched them.
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