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#202 Oct 23 2012 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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So how is it that President Obama "lost" the first debate for being "too over confident" and not participating or calling Governor Romney out as a liar. But, now, Governor Romney is seen as "presidential" for behaving the same way? I swear these people are so hypocritical. I might have to add politicians to my hypocrisy list.

It's not already? What kind of fucked-up list is that?
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#203 Oct 23 2012 at 6:53 PM Rating: Default
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I didn't really think about it because I've been without TV for quite awhile. Most of my content have been from this forum, facebook and people from work. Most of my interactions have been the same topics not to include politics.
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#204 Oct 23 2012 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've enjoyed the GOP talking point of "Well, see actually it was a tie. And a tie is a win for Romney. So Romney really won the debate".

Meanwhile, the rest of the world says Obama won it by anywhere from 8-20+ points. But they don't want to admit that Romney lost and they sure as **** can't point to that performance as a real win.
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#205 Oct 23 2012 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Meanwhile, the rest of the world says Obama won it by anywhere from 8-20+ points. But they don't want to admit that Romney lost and they sure as **** can't point to that performance as a real win.

I find it hard to believe, honestly. I mean, I watched the whole thing, and I don't think Obama did a bad job, but none of it seemed all that amazing to me. I guess Romney did a worse job than usual (as said before, he basically just said "Yeah, what Obama did, but I'll somehow do it better"), but I didn't think the debate was that interesting or Obama that impressive.

*Shrugs*

Edit: Honestly, too many honestly's.

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#206 Oct 23 2012 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, someone has to make up the minority opinion in the polls Smiley: smile
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#207 Oct 23 2012 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Its Liberal media conspiracy. (also when did CNN become mini-fox? It used to be mini MSNBC, crazy turnaround.)


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#208 Oct 24 2012 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've enjoyed the GOP talking point of "Well, see actually it was a tie. And a tie is a win for Romney. So Romney really won the debate".
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#209 Oct 24 2012 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Its Liberal media conspiracy. (also when did CNN become mini-fox? It used to be mini MSNBC, crazy turnaround.)


It varies on a day to day basis. They're pretty good about giving airtime to slanted articles from both parties, but on any given day they can look pretty right wing or left wing depending on who's writing the articles. They also really suck at labeling opinion pieces. I try and make a habit out of checking who wrote the article. If it says something like "Written by Bob Jones. 1980-84 campaign adviser for Ronald Reagan and chairman of the God's Light charity foundation" you can usually guess the slant. Smiley: rolleyes

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#210 Oct 24 2012 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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After MSNBC decided to become the Anti-Fox, CNN decided they were going to be the "centrist" news station. I don't follow them but I wouldn't be surprised if they tried a little too hard to overcome conceptions of being "liberal" media.

It's a fool's errand anyway since the die-hards will forever declare any major media outlet that's not Fox or the WSJ as "mainstream liberal media".
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#211 Oct 24 2012 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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The minor media outlets as well.
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#212gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's on foreign policy. Most voters don't understand foreign policy, and it's not anywhere near as important to most voters right now as the economy is. Romney's strategy was to show he could speak intelligently about various countries and issues involving each of them, avoid any major mistakes he could be attacked on, and steer things back to economic issues as often as possible. By that measurement he succeeded fantastically. This debate really wasn't about who scored the most points among the political wonks, but who looked presidential and in control.
#213 Oct 24 2012 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.
That he's the Republican.
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#214 Oct 24 2012 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.


If Governor Romney won that debate, then President Obama won the first debate. You can't have it both ways.

I really almost tried to be unbiased, but the guy is totally fake. I didn't trust President Obama in 2008, but I trust him a whole lot more than Governor Romney.

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#215gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 4:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Apples and oranges. I could spend 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining why to you, but it's unlikely you'll get it even after I've explained it, so why bother.
#216 Oct 24 2012 at 4:52 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.


If Governor Romney won that debate, then President Obama won the first debate. You can't have it both ways.


Apples and oranges. I could spend 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining why to you, but it's unlikely you'll get it even after I've explained it, so why bother.



Because you're wrong? People stated that it wasn't the things that Obama said that caused him to lose, but things that he DID NOT SAY.

People said he lost because he didn't counter Romney and appeared that he didn't want to be there, just standing there letting Romney lie all over the place. It wasn't over content. So, there isn't anything that you can say on how he "won". Anyone believing that he won the debate, other than being more "calm" is in denial.
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#217 Oct 24 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.


If Governor Romney won that debate, then President Obama won the first debate. You can't have it both ways.


Apples and oranges. I could spend 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining why to you, but it's unlikely you'll get it even after I've explained it, so why bother.


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#218gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 4:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That he looked presidential and in control. Obama was in attack mode, but failed to score more than the most superficial of hits. Romney, on the other hand, controlled the debate. He played rope-a-dope with the president. Quite well really. He made himself look like the front runner and Obama the guy trying to catch up. This allows him to maintain his momentum. And that's really all that matters. Again, it's not really about who is better at foreign policy (cause 99% of the folks at home don't have a clue anyway). It's about who looks more like a president. That's the battle Romney was fighting. Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.
#219 Oct 24 2012 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.
That he's the Republican.


That he looked presidential and in control. Obama was in attack mode, but failed to score more than the most superficial of hits. Romney, on the other hand, controlled the debate. He played rope-a-dope with the president. Quite well really. He made himself look like the front runner and Obama the guy trying to catch up. This allows him to maintain his momentum. And that's really all that matters. Again, it's not really about who is better at foreign policy (cause 99% of the folks at home don't have a clue anyway). It's about who looks more like a president. That's the battle Romney was fighting. Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.
Maybe if Mitt had worn his Abe Lincoln hat.
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#220gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 5:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Again: Apples and oranges. Do you even understand that the challenger and the incumbent have different things they need to accomplish with these debates? It really isn't about just scoring the debates like it's two college kids in class. It's about how the performance in the debate affects the election. You have to understand that and then understand what each candidate is trying to accomplish and *then* you can judge a debate performance.
#221 Oct 24 2012 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.
That he was a Democrat.
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#222 Oct 24 2012 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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#223 Oct 24 2012 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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ITT: Sweating in nervousness means you look presidential.

Republican sweat is manly.
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#224 Oct 24 2012 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewy".

Sweating is what poor people do.
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#225 Oct 24 2012 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewyGlistens".

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#226 Oct 24 2012 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guys, you're missing the point.

Romney looked white.
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#227 Oct 24 2012 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edit: Sorry, a noble white dressage steed.

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#228 Oct 24 2012 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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#229 Oct 24 2012 at 5:39 PM Rating: Default
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Because you're wrong? People stated that it wasn't the things that Obama said that caused him to lose, but things that he DID NOT SAY.


It was his body language. It was his failure to defend his positions. It was his lack of counters to Romney's statements. That's why he lost the first debate.

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People said he lost because he didn't counter Romney and appeared that he didn't want to be there, just standing there letting Romney lie all over the place.


Yup. And these are not mistakes that Romney made. Hence, why it's apples and oranges. You honestly couldn't noodle this out?

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It wasn't over content. So, there isn't anything that you can say on how he "won". Anyone believing that he won the debate, other than being more "calm" is in denial.


Again: Apples and oranges. Do you even understand that the challenger and the incumbent have different things they need to accomplish with these debates? It really isn't about just scoring the debates like it's two college kids in class. It's about how the performance in the debate affects the election. You have to understand that and then understand what each candidate is trying to accomplish and *then* you can judge a debate performance.


Soooooo. you still haven't seen the video link? He didn't defend any point. He changed all of his points to agree with President Obama. If it weren't blatant contradiction, then you could have a point.
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#230 Oct 24 2012 at 6:15 PM Rating: Default
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Soooooo. you still haven't seen the video link?


From TDS? I watched the debate itself. WTF?

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He defended several key points. He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw). He effectively countered Obama's claim that he hasn't been ignoring Israel. He also correctly defended his statements about allowing the car companies go into bankruptcy (which Obama got completely wrong btw).

What he didn't do was allow the President to drag him into an argument about other topics. He controlled what was debated. If you failed to see that then you weren't paying attention. He choose to steer the topics away from areas he knew the president would be prepared for and into areas he wasn't (or at least which Romney was much better prepared for).

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You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy. He didn't change his positions. He just choose not to get into arguments about nuanced differences of positions which most voters aren't going to understand, but which would put the advantage into Obama's court. Romney outmaneuvered Obama on this debate.
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You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy.

If the GOP believed this was true, they wouldn't be twisting themselves all over screaming about Benghazi.

Of course, the GOP screaming has gotten about zero traction so maybe there is something to it. Hrmmmm...
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#232 Oct 24 2012 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
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From TDS? I watched the debate itself. WTF?


So, I take that as a "no"..

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He didn't change his positions. He just choose not to get into arguments about nuanced differences of positions which most voters aren't going to understand, but which would put the advantage into Obama's court. Romney outmaneuvered Obama on this debate.


If you watched the link, then you would see why. There's a reason why I didn't ask if you watched the debate. Hint: They aren't the same thing.........

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He defended several key points.


He did the same exact thing President Obama did in the first election, lost.
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He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw).


Sure they were.
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#234gbaji, Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador.
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You're missing the point I made earlier. 99% of voters don't pay attention to foreign policy.

If the GOP believed this was true, they wouldn't be twisting themselves all over screaming about Benghazi.


You're confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador.

You mean "The vast majority of U.S citizens who care about foreign policy" is confusing foreign policy with bad guys killing our ambassador. They should know that it has nothing to do with foreigners or how we conduct business in foreign lands.
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#236 Oct 24 2012 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
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Not sure what you're trying to say, but what I was saying is that most Americans don't care about the details of trade agreements, distribution of military forces around the world, which countries we have what treaties with, etc. That's what I mean by they don't pay attention to foreign policy.

They do pay attention when a consulate gets attacked killing our ambassador and staff. Hence why those are two different things.
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Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.
That he was a Democrat.


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ITT: Sweating in nervousness means you look presidential.


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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewy".

Sweating is what poor people do.


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Romney doesn't sweat. He gets "dewyGlistens".

Sweating is what poor people do.



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Guys, you're missing the point.

Romney looked white.


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Edit: Sorry, a noble white dressage steed.


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gbaji wrote:
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Romney won by a landslide in the measurement that matters.


If Governor Romney won that debate, then President Obama won the first debate. You can't have it both ways.


Apples and oranges. I could spend 4 or 5 paragraphs explaining why to you


And you do. Always.

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Would help if your explanation wasn't totally ficticious and intended to serve only one purpose - perpetuate your delusions.
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He defended his statements about Obama going on the apology tour with quotes from said tour (which were accurate btw).



Sure they were.


No worries, gbaji, I can wait.
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That he looked presidential and in control. Obama was in attack mode, but failed to score more than the most superficial of hits. Romney, on the other hand, controlled the debate. He played rope-a-dope with the president. Quite well really. He made himself look like the front runner and Obama the guy trying to catch up. This allows him to maintain his momentum. And that's really all that matters. Again, it's not really about who is better at foreign policy (cause 99% of the folks at home don't have a clue anyway). It's about who looks more like a president. That's the battle Romney was fighting. Obama made the mistake of fighting the wrong battle is all.

Which debate are *you* talking about?
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#241 Oct 25 2012 at 4:50 AM Rating: Default
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Not sure what you're trying to say, but what I was saying is that most Americans don't care about the details of trade agreements, distribution of military forces around the world, which countries we have what treaties with, etc. That's what I mean by they don't pay attention to foreign policy.

They do pay attention when a consulate gets attacked killing our ambassador and staff. Hence why those are two different things.


What I mean is that you should watch the first 5-8 mins of the link.

Edit: To be on point. What you had said might have been true, but the attack sparked people's interest in those things. They want to now know what what are our foreign practices to keep people safe. In any case, it doesn't matter. The topic of the debate is chosen. If you don't want to cooperate with the debate, then don't show up. Obviously people care about it or it wouldn't have been an entire topic. You don't just show up and just start talking about whatever you want. If you claim that is what Romney done because that's what the people wanted to hear, then he lost the debate, because the topic was on foreign policies.

If this were school and you chose your own topic to discuss after being given a topic to discuss, you would fail.

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