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#177 Oct 11 2012 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I gotta give Ryan credit for pressing that "experience" angle as hard as possible. It'll probably work out quite well for people that have zero understanding of how the business experience is as useful to federal budgets as first-person-shooter experience is useful to SWAT snipers.
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GOP whining about biased moderator in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....
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#179 Oct 11 2012 at 8:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
It'll probably work out quite well for people that have zero understanding of how the business experience is as useful to federal budgets as first-person-shooter experience is useful to SWAT snipers.

How about my medic time in Team Fortress 2?
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#180 Oct 11 2012 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
GOP whining about biased moderator in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


A quick google search shows they've been whining about the moderator for a couple days already.
#181 Oct 11 2012 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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That blonde ***** was far too ugly to be a Republican blonde lady. She's obviously part of the liberal hag squad.
#182 Oct 11 2012 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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Shoot me for health!
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#183 Oct 11 2012 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
I have yet to understand what any of the 5 points on the 5-point plan are.

Step 1: Tax cuts for everyone!
Step 2: More wars!
Step 3: magic, fairy dust and unicorns
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!
#184 Oct 11 2012 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
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#185 Oct 11 2012 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.


I am more of a Step 4 kinda guy Smiley: lol
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#186 Oct 11 2012 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.

Lolgaxe, 2016?
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#187 Oct 11 2012 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
That's good because those will be needed to fund all of their grand ideas.
#188 Oct 11 2012 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.

Lolgaxe, 2016?
I'd vote for him. I'm not an american citizen but I'll find a way to vote.
#189 Oct 11 2012 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
Lolgaxe, 2016?
"My fellow Americans, vote for me or I'll shoot my opponent."
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#190 Oct 11 2012 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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Well, Greta just doesn't like Biden. He was a big meany.
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#191 Oct 11 2012 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
Lolgaxe, 2016?
"My fellow Americans, vote for me or I'll shoot my opponent."
Depending on the opponent, that may not get people to vote for you.
#192 Oct 11 2012 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.

Lolgaxe, 2016?
I'd vote for him. I'm not an american citizen but I'll find a way to vote.

And that's why we need Voter ID reforms.
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#193 Oct 11 2012 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
Lolgaxe, 2016?
"My fellow Americans, vote for me or I'll shoot my opponent."
Depending on the opponent, that may not get people to vote for you.


It's a win-win situation though.

If you vote for him, he wins because he gets voted in.
If you don't vote for him, he wins because his opponent is dead.
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#194 Oct 11 2012 at 8:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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#195 Oct 11 2012 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, I'm on board with Step 3.
Lolgaxe, 2016?
"My fellow Americans, vote for me or I'll shoot my opponent."
Depending on the opponent, that may not get people to vote for you.
Pretend there was a thirty minute speech before it about being a war vet, and it'll look like playful ptsd.
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#196 Oct 11 2012 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
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I think this is how Biden felt during half the debate.

Also, this debate was a lot more fun than the previous one.
#197 Oct 11 2012 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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Well this was a lot more exciting than the first debate.

Some of my favorite moments, strictly from the showmanship perspective, rather than policy points:
1) Biden's car crash turn-around (Saw that one coming. Who told Ryan to bring up that story?)
2) Biden comparing Ryan to Sarah Palin
3) Hammering on the 47%
4) The letters from Ryan requesting stimulus funds


What I learned from Ryan:

• The jobs numbers are going in the wrong direction. (Apparently job growth is the wrong direction? Jobs are going in the right direction you idiot, just not as fast as you want. Learn some calculus you supposed fucking economy wonk: when the derivative equals zero, then you're starting to go in the wrong direction.)

• We'll handle Iran better, but we don't know how. (Be "tougher" I guess? But they can't go to war, so as always, the options are sanctions and war; sanctions are slow and they don't feel powerful, but that's how it goes in the 21st century when you can't just go and bomb the fuck out of your enemies at will).

• We'll handle Afghanistan better, well kinda the same, but giving a set withdrawal date is bad, that much we know.

• We'll handle Syria better, but we don't know how. (Dealing with revolutions in foreign countries involves a lot of really nuanced issues and isn't really a left-vs-right philosophical issue. There's no one solution that is always the best, and the results are almost always mixed. But of course, Obama is doing it wrong no matter what.)

• We'll find magic loopholes in the tax code. Cutting mortgate interest deduction for the wealthiest people will pay for everything.

• Republicans hate welfare except for SS and Medicare, those are awesome.

• Ryan apparently thinks "Obamacare" is an actual health care program, not a piece of legislation containing many different laws.
#198 Oct 11 2012 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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One handicap the incumbent administration always faces in foreign policy is that they can't fully respond to campaign attacks due to security interests. Biden can't say "Actually, we're funneling guns in to the Syrian rebels right now through Turkey!" or "Actually, we set back the Iranian nuclear program using a coordinated computer virus attack with Israel!"

Edited, Oct 11th 2012 10:12pm by Jophiel
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#199 Oct 11 2012 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
One handicap the incumbent administration always faces in foreign policy is that they can't fully respond to campaign attacks due to security interests. Biden can't say "Actually, we're funneling guns in to the Syrian rebels right now through Turkey!" or "Actually, we set back the Iranian nuclear program using a coordinated computer virus attack with Israel"

I was hoping he'd bring up that computer virus thing when Ryan was harping on Iran's nuclear threat, but I indeed forgot that of course that will remain classified until like 2040.

I'm surprised neither of them brought up North Korea as an analog. They have a nuclear bomb but it kinda sucks, and like Iran they have no missile capable of delivering it internationally. And they developed it even with trade sanctions in place, which is a point Ryan could have made. But the country is also impoverished and malnourished, which is bad from a humanist standpoint, but which also can't go on forever and they'll have to relent eventually.


#200 Oct 11 2012 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
One handicap the incumbent administration always faces in foreign policy is that they can't fully respond to campaign attacks due to security interests. Biden can't say "Actually, we're funneling guns in to the Syrian rebels right now through Turkey!" or "Actually, we set back the Iranian nuclear program using a coordinated computer virus attack with Israel"

I was hoping he'd bring up that computer virus thing when Ryan was harping on Iran's nuclear threat, but I indeed forgot that of course that will remain classified until like 2040.

I'm surprised neither of them brought up North Korea as an analog. They have a nuclear bomb but it kinda sucks, and like Iran they have no missile capable of delivering it internationally. And they developed it even with trade sanctions in place, which is a point Ryan could have made. But the country is also impoverished and malnourished, which is bad from a humanist standpoint, but which also can't go on forever and they'll have to relent eventually.
Biden really didn't need to do more than saying that they'd know if Iran came close to actually having a nuke and that Ryan had to stop talking nonsense. No need to confuse the topic even more.
#201 Oct 11 2012 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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Just to add a point where I think Biden didn't do well:
He correctly argued that the administration's statements regarding the Benghazi attacks developed as the intelligence was gathered. But his repeated use of the language "that's what they told us" comes off poorly, like "you can't blame us, we just did what we were told."
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