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#1 Oct 10 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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Nixon was forced to resign for covering up much less than what the obama administration is covering up in regards to this terrorist attack on our embassy.
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Not really, but keep tooting that horn sweety.
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...what?
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He's saying that Obama should go for broke and break into Romney's house, I think.
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He's black. I just assumed he already had.
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Yeah, what exactly is being covered up?
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I googled it.

Falls into the "we had enough information that we should have seen it coming" category. Blame for scaling down security, etc.

Also, the government knew enough to stop 9/11. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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Also that the administration story on Day One wasn't unchanging gospel but rather changed as time went on.
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Nixon was forced to resign for covering up much less than what the obama administration is covering up in regards to this terrorist attack on our embassy.


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Also that the administration story on Day One wasn't unchanging gospel but rather changed as time went on.


Obviously their fallacies in this massive cover-up are just to throw us off. You're drinking the Kool-aid again Joph. Smiley: mad
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Lulz.
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One of the ultra-conservative guys I work with, who parrots anything he gets from chain e-mails or Limbaugh, came in today with the conspiracy theory that the security was pulled from the embassy as part of a secret assassination "like in The Godfather." So it's not surprising to hear that Varus was listening to the same station today.
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I googled it.


The fact that you had to google something which should be the biggest news story right now speaks volumes about how biased the media is.

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Falls into the "we had enough information that we should have seen it coming" category. Blame for scaling down security, etc.


No. It falls into the "We knew this was a terrorist attack committed against us on the anniversary of 9/11, but lied about it to the American people for political reasons". While the questions about whether there should have been better precautions taken prior to the attack are valid by themselves, those only point to incompetence. The facts showing that they knew darn well right after the attack happened that it was a terrorist attack and had nothing at all to do with some video, but 5 days later still sent the US ambassador to the UN around the talk circuit to convince people otherwise is where the whole thing escalates to the level of "cover up".
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I googled it.


The fact that you had to google something which should be the biggest news story right now speaks volumes about how biased the media is.


....

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If it makes you feel better I have no idea whether they were talking about it or not, having not really watched the news in like 3-4 days. When I last left off they were talking about how awesome Romney was in the debate, and how he was closing ground on Obama... Smiley: tongue


Edited, Oct 10th 2012 3:22pm by someproteinguy
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If it makes you feel better I have no idea whether they were talking about it or not, having not really watched the news in like 3-4 days. Smiley: tongue
It has been on the news, just not the "OMG OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST" level of conspiracy theory gbaji wants it to be. If it makes you feel any better, it really isn't that big of a story to anyone that follows information for more than a day and doesn't just **** in their pants every story.
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Also, as my lulz link demonstrates, the many members of the Republican House voted to cut funding for embassy security because deficits and freedom.
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Also that the administration story on Day One wasn't unchanging gospel but rather changed as time went on.


And you're buying that? Head in sand much?

If the answers were so unclear and things so murky, why then did the US ambassador to the UN go on 5 different news shows the following Sunday to repeat over and over that this was nothing but spontaneous violence erupting out of protests over an anti-Islamic video? And before you say that she was fired for this, her job is to be a mouthpiece for the Administration. There's no way her statements that day were her own.

Basically, everyone except the Administration's first response was "this was a terrorist attack". Yet, even days later, after the evidence that it was a terrorist attack was pretty much irrefutable, the Administration still clung to the whole protest over a video position. And it was a week after that when they finally acknowledged that it was a terrorist attack. To suggest that this was just changing information over time is nutty. It was an administration that realized that a terrorist attack reflected poorly on their foreign policy while an attack in response to a vile video (perhaps even one that could be linked somehow to conservatives) worked for them. So they went to the public with that second explanation, not because it was correct, but because it was politically useful.
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There's no way her statements that day were her own.
And if anyone knows about making statements that aren't their own ...
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If it makes you feel better I have no idea whether they were talking about it or not, having not really watched the news in like 3-4 days. Smiley: tongue
It has been on the news, just not the "OMG OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST" level of conspiracy theory gbaji wants it to be. If it makes you feel any better, it really isn't that big of a story to anyone that follows information for more than a day and doesn't just **** in their pants every story.


Well that's good.

I remember some "we're not sure if it's an attack or a random mob" thing, but I thought they decided it was an attack a long time ago. Then a controversy about the FBI people not getting there faster, and that's about where I last remember things being.

Oh! Also remember we had a thread about the gamer dude who died. Sad times. Smiley: frown
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Also that the administration story on Day One wasn't unchanging gospel but rather changed as time went on.
And you're buying that? Head in sand much?

Yeah, that Bush CIA analyst is a total tool, huh? Good thing you know better.
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If it makes you feel better I have no idea whether they were talking about it or not, having not really watched the news in like 3-4 days. Smiley: tongue
It has been on the news, just not the "OMG OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST" level of conspiracy theory gbaji wants it to be.


There's a pretty huge gap between "OMG OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST" and covering a story sufficiently that a random person has at least heard of the issue in question and doesn't have to google to find out what's going on. This has been a story for more than 3 or 4 days too. It will be a month tomorrow from the attack. It's been over three weeks since ambassador Rice went on the Sunday show circuit and lied for the Administration. It has been two weeks since Republican members of congress began calling for the resignation of Rice and an investigation into exactly what happened.

Today's hearings, much like the attack in Libya, didn't just spontaneously appear one day. They have been building for some time. The idea that even someone semi aware of politics would be so completely unaware that any of this was going on is sadly not surprising given the blatant liberal slant of much of the media. Simply not informing the public of events which might reflect poorly on people or party's they like has become a common means to manipulate public perceptions of events.

Which explains exactly why he had to google the story in the first place.

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If it makes you feel any better, it really isn't that big of a story to anyone that follows information for more than a day and doesn't just **** in their pants every story.


Why isn't it a big story? What would constitute a big story then? I think our government lying to us about a terrorist attack is a pretty big deal. Don't you?
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There's a pretty huge gap between "OMG OBAMA IS ANTICHRIST" and covering a story sufficiently that a random person has at least heard of the issue in question and doesn't have to google to find out what's going on.
Like you, not everyone watches or reads the news on a daily basis? Well, not like you, since you make it painfully obvious you never do.
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I think our government lying to us about a terrorist attack is a pretty big deal. Don't you?
I know you don't, since you basically had the entire Bush administration cock in your mouth the whole time that was going on. But hey, go on and tell us about your new found morality.

Edited, Oct 10th 2012 7:07pm by lolgaxe
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Also that the administration story on Day One wasn't unchanging gospel but rather changed as time went on.
And you're buying that? Head in sand much?

Yeah, that Bush CIA analyst is a total tool, huh? Good thing you know better.


His statements that intelligence isn't perfect and we don't always know everything right off the bat are perfectly correct. This does not explain at all how 5 days after the attack, when it should have at least been understood that the attack was likely to have been a planned terrorist attack rather than a spontaneous event, Rice went on the talk shows saying the following:

Ambassador Rice wrote:
But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo


There is no way in **** that this statement can be true Joph. Intelligence isn't perfect, but it's not that stunningly imperfect either. She didn't "hedge her language" as your linked article mentions. She made a straight out statement of facts that was simply not true. And not just something that we found out wasn't true later, but something that demonstrably was known to be false at the time. So either she just made stuff up on her own (unlikely given her position and job), or someone told her that was the official statement she was to give that day.

And that means an attempt to lie to the American people by the highest levels of the Obama administration. And it's why there are hearings going on right now. Yes, part of it is about security at the Embassies and whether they should have known an attack was coming. But the bigger part is whether the Obama Administration deliberately attempted to downplay the attack to make it seem like it was not an organized and planned act of terrorism and did so by directing ambassador Rice to make statements which they knew were not true.

Because that's a pretty big deal.
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His statements that intelligence isn't perfect and we don't always know everything right off the bat are perfectly correct. This does not explain at all how 5 days after the attack, when it should have at least been understood that the attack was likely to have been a planned terrorist attack rather than a spontaneous event, Rice went on the talk shows saying the following...

...yet he wrote it weeks later. As I said, what a tool, huh? Good thing you know so much better with all your intelligence analyst experience.
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Wow, you're adorable.

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Okay, here is what really happened:

Republicans cut funding for the security of embassies:

Democrats, in an effort to show how bad of an idea that was, allowed the terrorist attack to happen.

After the attack, the "cover-up" was actually a ploy to get the Republicans to uncover the "cover-up"...

So that Democrats could point to how the Republicans cut the funding to the security of embassies! Smiley: tinfoilhat
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This is about an administration flat out lying to the american people in regard to what's happening in foreign relations.
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Okay, here is what really happened:

Republicans cut funding for the security of embassies:

Democrats, in an effort to show how bad of an idea that was, allowed the terrorist attack to happen.

After the attack, the "cover-up" was actually a ploy to get the Republicans to uncover the "cover-up"...

So that Democrats could point to how the Republicans cut the funding to the security of embassies! Smiley: tinfoilhat


You're delusional. Are you really trying to sell that the administration was just the victims of those mean old republicans in the house? Really?


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How's that any different than any other administration in the last 70 years or so?
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Romney's actually tied or behind in every swing state poll released today.
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Why isn't it a big story? What would constitute a big story then? I think our government lying to us about a terrorist attack is a pretty big deal. Don't you?


Google 'WikiLeaks' and let me know what you find. Smiley: rolleyes

Besides, didn't we just do this with the fast and furious thing? Or the WMD thing? How about those nice safe oil rigs eh? Do you know what the word 'is' means? Pardon my asking, but how the heck are you still surprised and outraged at this stuff? Smiley: confused

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How's that any different than any other administration in the last 70 years or so?


Yeah this...


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I get that now that Obama has done everything w did and then some democrats are reverting back to their "every politician does it" nonsense.
Lack of reading comprehension and memory are so adorable in children.
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I get that now that Obama has done everything w did and then some democrats are reverting back to their "every politician does it" nonsense.


But... but... the Christian Science Monitor said I was a solid Republican! Smiley: frown

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It has "Christian" right in the name so you know it's true.

Nine new swing state polls today and Obama leads in seven of them. Deep, cleansing breaths from the Democrats Smiley: laugh

Rasmussen has O+1 this morning. Romney debate bump may be receding.
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Well, they don't count today.
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I'm kind of hoping Ryan is goaded into taking off his shirt tonight. I want to see those famous P90X abs.

I'm dreading Biden being goaded into joining him, though.
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If they do, I hope Rick Derringer's "Real American" is piped in through the speaker system.
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Yeah, there's a big story here. And it's not at all politically motivated.

Wingnuts will not be happy until they get the black man out of office, even if it means destroying this country in the process. Yay for self righteous indignation.


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My personal favorite was when Issa was demanding to know if there was enough security and then got mad that people started talking about the recommended amount of security.

Good news though! Issa is ALSO now pledging to investigate and hold hearings on the latest unemployment numbers! So you just KNOW none of this is politically motivated Smiley: facepalm
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I'm not a Democrat, political affiliations mean nothing to me.
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Good news though! Issa is ALSO now pledging to investigate and hold hearings on the latest unemployment numbers! So you just KNOW none of this is politically motivated Smiley: facepalm
I read that in Professor Farnsworth's voice.
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My personal favorite was when Issa was demanding to know if there was enough security and then got mad that people started talking about the recommended amount of security.

Good news though! Issa is ALSO now pledging to investigate and hold hearings on the latest unemployment numbers! So you just KNOW none of this is politically motivated Smiley: facepalm
I'm half-expecting to hear that Issa's next investigation is into why only men are permitted to use the Congressional Men's Room, with a follow-up piece on Fox decrying the Obama administration's socialist plot to take away people's freedom to choose.

That man will investigate a thumb tack.


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This is about an administration flat out lying to the american people in regard to what's happening in foreign relations.


How's that any different than any other administration in the last 70 years or so?


Or ever?

I'm not sure why the people think the government should tell them everything. If they don't like it, they should move to a country where the government is completely open about everything that happens, even before the facts are sorted....


Good luck with that.
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My personal favorite was when Issa was demanding to know if there was enough security and then got mad that people started talking about the recommended amount of security.

Good news though! Issa is ALSO now pledging to investigate and hold hearings on the latest unemployment numbers! So you just KNOW none of this is politically motivated Smiley: facepalm


Well, he has to do something to pass the time other than naming the "Reagan Economic Exclusion zone"
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