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#202 Oct 29 2012 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do people honestly think that their government doesn't hide anything from them?


I think the government would kill me in my sleep, sell my organs on the black market, and blame it on terrorists if they thought it was in their best interest.

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#203 Oct 29 2012 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Isn't "the government hiding things" the whole idea behind classified information?
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#204 Oct 29 2012 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's the good kind of secret information, it doesn't count.
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#205 Oct 29 2012 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Your mom is hiding things.
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#207 Oct 29 2012 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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The real question is why
-- you're still trying.
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#209 Oct 29 2012 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
Now you can go back to blaming the gop for pointing it out.
Not blaming the GOP. Blaming you.
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#210 Oct 29 2012 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sometimes it helps to come up with a new argument if your first one doesn't work. Crazy stuff really, didn't believe it myself the first time.
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Is there a reason why the typical conservative poster on this forum usually skirts the edge of functionally illiterate? Not all of them, mind you but enough for it to be noticeable.
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#212 Oct 29 2012 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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In your mind, what should he have done?
Wouldn't matter, would complain. Not Republican.


Obama abandoned those men. Again obama abandoned those men. Let that sink in. Now you can go back to blaming the gop for pointing it out.


I think you are throwing around enough blame for the rest of us, we don't need to do anything further. Just remember, when you point a finger, you are pointing three others at yourself! How could you have done that, Crazylegz, how could you have abandoned those men?
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#213 Oct 29 2012 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Easy. The typical clone is a high school drop out assistant fry cook at a local fast food joint, one is a really bad at writing but likes to use quantity to compensate for the quality, and the others are okay and aren't just parroting and actually think about their posts.
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#215 Oct 29 2012 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I get that liberals lack intellectual honesty.
You lack intellect. Honestly.
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#216 Oct 29 2012 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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So when confronted with tough issues they always resort to attacking the messenger.


Hmm, what about when we are confronted with a delusional, intellectually stunted ego centric without a single foot planted anywhere near reality? What do we do then, you wonder? We actually have several pages of example of just that! Smiley: lol
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Democrats hate for the gop is much stronger than their love of the US. That's all you need to know.

If strong love for the US = bombing civilians in a foreign country which we are not at war with... well, sure I don't have that kind of love.
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Question for gbaji: do you believe there was a shady arms deal going on between the US government and Libya, and that's why the ambassador was killed?

All the accounts calling for impeachment of Obama over this seem to be mentioning it. Likely because that's Glenn Beck's personal theory, but still... I haven't seen you mention it yet, but you still seem very upset over this.


Um... Because I don't watch/listen to Glen Beck maybe? I have no clue what you're talking about. I don't read conservative boards/blogs/etc, so I wouldn't know what the far right nutters are saying. I do, however, think there are plenty of legitimate questions about what exactly went on based just on what tidbits have been reported in the more mainstream news sources. Apparently, there was a CIA annex near to the building where the Ambassador was. That's where the two seals who died came from in an attempt to save them. They did so against orders according to many reports. In other reports, there were others there who were saved by their actions (I heard 30 people a couple of times). Where were they? In the same building? In the annex? So why did all those other people get saved, but not the Ambassador and his aide? You'd think he'd be the most important person to protect during a protracted 4+ hour event.


I can't even speculate on exactly what happened that night. But it's clear that something that shouldn't have happened did (beyond the fact that an attack occurred). Someone dropped the ball, or something illegal/secret may have been going on that we don't want anyone to know about. Who knows? But you'd think that the administration could have come up with something a bit more convincing than what they've come up with so far. I also still maintain that they attempted to paint the attack as an outgrowth of the protests over the video as an attempt to just sweep the whole thing under that particular rug, call it a tragedy, and move on. But it was so horribly executed and so incredibly easy to discredit that they only succeeded in attracting more attention, not less. And now they're kinda stuck having to come up with more explanations while not admitting that the initial one was fabricated. And we all know how that story usually ends.



If they'd come clean with this from day one, there would still be questions about security, but no one would be questioning the conduct after the event or suspecting a cover up of some kind. The silly little political lie that was easy to spot may end out spilling a bigger national security lie that they could have kept concealed. Even if all this is just wild imaginations, they created the environment in which people would do so by their initial actions.
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Is there a reason why the typical conservative poster on this forum usually skirts the edge of functionally illiterate? Not all of them, mind you but enough for it to be noticeable.

Because it takes a functionally illiterate person (or the insanely rich) to follow the typical GOP rhetoric.
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Is there a reason why the typical conservative poster on this forum usually skirts the edge of functionally illiterate? Not all of them, mind you but enough for it to be noticeable.

Because it takes a functionally illiterate person (or the insanely rich) to follow the typical GOP rhetoric.


Really? So you'll just trot out the tired old "anyone who votes GOP is either rich or stupid" line? At some point, shouldn't an intelligent person suspect that this is itself absurd rhetoric and look for better explanations?
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I dunno. We have a sample size of Varus, ThiefX, potentially pseduo-Varus and you who brag about the giant pile of money the IRS seized and finally gave back.

Are you saying that you're not rich or that Varus isn't stupid? Smiley: grin
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#222 Oct 29 2012 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Your examples are clearly oversampling the Democratic demographic.
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#224 Oct 29 2012 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
Is there a reason why the typical conservative poster on this forum usually skirts the edge of functionally illiterate? Not all of them, mind you but enough for it to be noticeable.

Because it takes a functionally illiterate person (or the insanely rich) to follow the typical GOP rhetoric.


Really? So you'll just trot out the tired old "anyone who votes GOP is either rich or stupid" line? At some point, shouldn't an intelligent person suspect that this is itself absurd rhetoric and look for better explanations?


Yeah, sometimes they're both.
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Let's not forget that I was responding to Brownduck's post, not yours Joph.
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#226 Oct 29 2012 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Which was elaborating on a post of Joph's.
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#227 Oct 29 2012 at 9:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Which was elaborating on a post of Joph's.

Well that's sort of assumed isn't it?
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#228 Oct 30 2012 at 12:40 AM Rating: Good
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anyone who votes GOP is either rich or stupid


You forget "racist".
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Democrats hate for the gop is much stronger than their love of the US. That's all you need to know.

If strong love for the US = bombing civilians in a foreign country which we are not at war with... well, sure I don't have that kind of love.


Any attack on US soil, and yes embassies are considered US soil, should be met with all force at their disposal. This was a protracted attack that took hours. Obama chose not to even attempt a rescue. That is reprehensible and makes me angry just thinking about those two marines having to fight off the muslim militants with no help on the way and obama going to bed not knowing the outcome.

I'm serious only people who are invested with government or expect something from government are Democrats.

You expect the government to bomb Libya for the embassy attack. Fucking Democrat.
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#231 Oct 30 2012 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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You expect the government to bomb Libya for the embassy attack. Fucking Democrat.


Seriously, everyone wants the government to solve their problems these days.

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It wasn't an embassy, it was a consulate. Actually, it wasn't even really a consulate but rather a "diplomatic mission outpost".

Also, embassy soil isn't really considered to be sovereign to the hosted embassy. The host nation grants the embassy special consideration as a joint courtesy between nations but they don't cede sovereignty of the land to the embassy.

Funny how people always assume this works for American embassies abroad and I can just picture their reaction if they were told "Yeah, the president is completely ceding a couple acres of sovereign US soil to the government of Syria right in the heart of New York"

Edited, Oct 30th 2012 10:55am by Jophiel
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It wasn't an embassy, it was a consulate.
Details aren't important! MURDER MAN, MURDER.
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No obama could have sent in a rescue team but did nothing and blamed a video.


Still relying on the government man, still relying on the government. Smiley: disappointed

See our friend from the other thread. There's a hurricane coming. Is he sitting around waiting for the government to deal with the problem? Not a chance. He's doing something about it. No cowering in his home and waiting for the national guard to bring him food. He got his flag, he got his gun, and he's going to stand up to that storm no matter what.

Live and learn my crazy friend, live and learn...
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What has obama done besides say that he's anti terror?
If you have to ask, you kind of prove your ignorance and that you're nothing more than a parrot. Nice job.
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I can tell you're not a jarhead.
I can tell you hide in the closet at the first sign of confrontation.
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Still pretending bin ladens death ended the war on radical islam I see. You're pathetic.
Still pretending you had anything to do with any war. Still Republican I see.
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Lol. Yeah you're not a marine.
And you're not even Air Force. What's your point, closet boy?
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It wasn't an embassy, it was a consulate. Actually, it wasn't even really a consulate but rather a "diplomatic mission outpost".

Also, embassy soil isn't really considered to be sovereign to the hosted embassy. The host nation grants the embassy special consideration as a joint courtesy between nations but they don't cede sovereignty of the land to the embassy.

Funny how people always assume this works for American embassies abroad and I can just picture their reaction if they were told "Yeah, the president is completely ceding a couple acres of sovereign US soil to the government of Syria right in the heart of New York"


So what kind of response should have been sent?

A nuculear warhead! Yee-haw, motherfucker!
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I was a Cub Scout!
Always be prepared?
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Democrats hate for the gop is much stronger than their love of the US. That's all you need to know.

If strong love for the US = bombing civilians in a foreign country which we are not at war with... well, sure I don't have that kind of love.


Any attack on US soil, and yes embassies are considered US soil, should be met with all force at their disposal. This was a protracted attack that took hours. Obama chose not to even attempt a rescue. That is reprehensible and makes me angry just thinking about those two marines having to fight off the muslim militants with no help on the way and obama going to bed not knowing the outcome.

I'm serious only people who are invested with government or expect something from government are Democrats.

You expect the government to bomb Libya for the embassy attack. Fucking Democrat.


No obama could have sent in a rescue team but did nothing and blamed a video.

That's not what you said you wanted. You wanted him to authorize drone strikes on a crowd that contained civilians, in a foreign country at which we are not at war, which would still result in those Americans being dead. That's what you wanted.

Honestly, you should have been over there yourself. Stop relying on the government and stand up for your beliefs. Heck, you could be killing civilians in Libya right now. Why are you online?
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God, man... it's the WORLD WIDE WEB!! I can be online AND killing Libyans at the same time!
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How else are you gonna fly them drones?
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#251 Oct 30 2012 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
There's probably an online flash game that controls drones or something.

That's how I'd do it anyway.
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