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#1 Oct 03 2012 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/

While the histrionics of the liberal author are what I expect from that side of the philosophical and political fence, the gist of the article is that Obama has become everything and more of what the Left accused Boooooosh and Cheney of during their tenure. The boogeyman spectre of a government that does not answer to its' people, nor adheres to the values it campaigned on is at the heart of why Conor Friedersdorf does not intend to vote for Barry this time around. And, from my perspective, outside of the pearl necklace clutching sentiment of the piece, he has it pretty much nailed.

Asylum? Your thoughts?

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1. While I understand the issues involved with the "Drone War" in Pakistan, I find it a more practical solution than committing ground troops into Pakistan.

2. I have no issues with putting American Citizens, whom join terrorist groups in foreign countries, on "kill lists". I wouldn't be as comfortable if they were used on US soil, though.

3. I have no issues with how we supported the Libyan rebels. I'd prefer they form a pro-western government, but that really isn't our call.

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Asylum? Your thoughts?

Not voting for the member of your political party because you dislike his execution of it's platform is childish and petulant. Obama's weak and easily manipulated. He also nominates very liberal SCOTUS justices, which really, is all that matters to me in a President. Particularly during this coming term.
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1. While I understand the issues involved with the "Drone War" in Pakistan, I find it a more practical solution than committing ground troops into Pakistan.

2. I have no issues with putting American Citizens, whom join terrorist groups in foreign countries, on "kill lists". I wouldn't be as comfortable if they were used on US soil, though.

3. I have no issues with how we supported the Libyan rebels. I'd prefer they form a pro-western government, but that really isn't our call.

What Joph said.
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Totem wrote:

While the histrionics of the liberal author are what I expect from that side of the philosophical and political fence, .......
As compared to the placid unemotional tripe you get from Limbaugh, Beck or O'Reilly?

Smiley: lol

Despite all his failures, I'm voting for Obama. I want a two-term president that won't point the country in wrong the direction.

...and he's hip.
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1. While I understand the issues involved with the "Drone War" in Pakistan, I find it a more practical solution than committing ground troops into Pakistan.

2. I have no issues with putting American Citizens, whom join terrorist groups in foreign countries, on "kill lists". I wouldn't be as comfortable if they were used on US soil, though.

3. I have no issues with how we supported the Libyan rebels. I'd prefer they form a pro-western government, but that really isn't our call.

What Joph said.


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Not voting for the member of your political party because you dislike his execution of it's platform is childish and petulant.
Also nothing new.
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Jophiel wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
1. While I understand the issues involved with the "Drone War" in Pakistan, I find it a more practical solution than committing ground troops into Pakistan.

2. I have no issues with putting American Citizens, whom join terrorist groups in foreign countries, on "kill lists". I wouldn't be as comfortable if they were used on US soil, though.

3. I have no issues with how we supported the Libyan rebels. I'd prefer they form a pro-western government, but that really isn't our call.

What Joph said.


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So Elinda, for the past four years we've been pointed in the right direction?!? Yikes. Scary to contemplate what constitutes a wrong direction for you.

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So Elinda, for the past four years we've been pointed in the right direction?!? Yikes. Scary to contemplate what constitutes a wrong direction for you.

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I didn't say we had moved at all. Only that we are pointing forward.

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My wife and I have increased our household income by around 30% in the past couple years. I assume everyone else who hasn't is some self-entitled leech who wants free housing, food, medical care... I'll never convince them to take personal responsibility for their lives anyway so why blame Obama?
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so why blame Obama?
Because Democrat.
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My wife and I have increased our household income by around 30% in the past couple years. I assume everyone else who hasn't is some self-entitled leech who wants free housing, food, medical care...
..or a demonized public employee that relies on a union to negotiate pay and benefits. Smiley: rolleyes
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You sure you're not a Republican, Jo? All that money being made off the backs of the 99%-- you should be ashamed of your 30% increase in wealth, mister! As a Lefty in good standing, I trust you are placing that monetary fruit picked from low hanging branches squarely in the competent hands of our Federal Government in addition to the low, low taxes you already pay.

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Why do conservatives feel the need to add in Obama's middle name all the time?
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We're not at the 2-4% we were at during the dotcom bubble, but we're sitting around 6% in MA.
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Obama's weak and easily manipulated.


Something like that.

He has a much-hyped ability to see across the aisle which has proven largely worthless. Spent the first 2 years rubber-stamping whatever the Democrats sent his way because there was no reason to compromise. Then when faced with a split congress he was largely unable to do much, as Republicans in congress weren't going to give any ground with the resurgent far-right threatening them in the primaries.

So meh. At this point the only reason I'd vote for him again is because I'm not keen on Romney. Thinking I just won't fill in that bubble or something. Anyone know a random 3rd party that would like a vote? Smiley: rolleyes
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You sure you're not a Republican, Jo?

I'm not blaming Obama for keeping me down and saying the reason I can't prosper is all due to regulations and the health care law so I don't think I'm a Republican...

Maybe if I made up more excuses to cover for my lack of drive and ability. Think the GOP would want me then?
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My wife and I have increased our household income by around 30% in the past couple years. I assume everyone else who hasn't is some self-entitled leech who wants free housing, food, medical care...
..or a demonized public employee that relies on a union to negotiate pay and benefits. Smiley: rolleyes

Everyone knows union members are the most self-entitled of all!

Edited, Oct 3rd 2012 9:53am by Jophiel
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Why do conservatives feel the need to add in Obama's middle name all the time?


Isn't it obvious? They want to invade and institute a 'regime change'.
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They keep using Willard's middle name too! I call conspiracy!
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It's just weird. Seems like they put a lot of stress on the 'H' in Hussein, too. When speaking aloud, I mean.
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Obama's weak and easily manipulated.


Something like that.

He has a much-hyped ability to see across the aisle which has proven largely worthless. Spent the first 2 years rubber-stamping whatever the Democrats sent his way because there was no reason to compromise. Then when faced with a split congress he was largely unable to do much, as Republicans in congress weren't going to give any ground with the resurgent far-right threatening them in the primaries.

So meh. At this point the only reason I'd vote for him again is because I'm not keen on Romney. Thinking I just won't fill in that bubble or something. Anyone know a random 3rd party that would like a vote? Smiley: rolleyes


Well, if you enjoy throwing your vote away, write me in.
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Gary Johnson, Libertarian - he's pro dope and was a two-term governor of Enchantment land.

Vote worthy?
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Nice dodge there, Jo. You performed that like a Lefty pro, what with your hand firmly grasping the cash your political kith and kin vilify, all the while avoiding the largesse to unfortunates you stridently call for as a mandate via our national tax system. To judge from your obvious greed, where you blatently stole income from other more deserving souls-- after all, financial success is a sure marker of corruption, unsavory and unethical business practices, and most likely offshore tax shelters --you have the heart of a wicked, wicked capitalist.

Brand thyself with a scarlet "C", young Jophiel Prynne, thou Wall Street harlot! I shun theeeeee!

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Nice dodge there, Jo. You performed that like a Lefty pro

Impossible. I thought the Lefty Pros were all driving welfare Cadillacs. Here I am, working hard and getting ahead and you just mock me for it. Sure you're not a... liberal??

But if you want to call me a dirty capitalist, that's fine. Out of a sample size of me, 100% of capitalists support Obama! Hooray!
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Gary Johnson, Libertarian - he's pro dope and was a two-term governor of Enchantment land.

Vote worthy?


I had to google, not the worst of choices that's for sure.

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Johnson holds fiscally conservative, socially tolerant views,[76] and a philosophy of limited government[77] and military noninterventionism.[78][79] As well as a libertarian, he has often identified as a classical liberal.[80] Johnson is in favor of simplifying and reducing taxes.[81] During his governorship, Johnson cut taxes fourteen times and never increased them.[82] Due to his stance on taxes, political pundit David Weigel described him as "the original Tea Party candidate".[83] Johnson supports balancing the federal budget immediately.[84] He supports "slashing government spending", including Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.[81] His plans include cutting Medicare and Medicaid by 43 percent and turning them into block grant programs, with control of spending in the hands of the states to create "fifty laboratories of innovation".[84] He advocates passing a law allowing for state bankruptcy and expressly ruling out a federal bailout of any states.[77] Johnson has expressed opposition to the Federal Reserve System, which he cites as massively devaluing the strength of the U.S. dollar, and would sign legislation to eliminate it. He otherwise supports an audit of the central bank, and urged Members of Congress in July 2012 to vote in favor of Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Transparency Act.[85]

In his campaign for the Libertarian Party nomination, he stated he opposed foreign wars and pledged to cut the military budget by 43 percent in his first budget as president.[79] He would cut the military's overseas bases, uniformed and civilian personnel, research and development, intelligence, and nuclear weapons programs.[86][87] He is opposed to the United States' involvement in the War in Afghanistan and the Libyan Civil War.[88] He has stated that he does not believe Iran is a military threat, would use his presidential power to prevent Israel from attacking Iran, and would not follow Israel, or any other ally, into a war that it had initiated.[89]

Johnson is a strong supporter of civil liberties and received the highest score of any candidate from the American Civil Liberties Union for supporting drug decriminalization and having a pro-choice stance on abortion, while opposing censorship and regulation of the Internet, the Patriot Act, enhanced airport screenings, and the indefinite detention of prisoners.[90] Johnson endorsed same-sex marriage in 2011;[91] he has since called for a constitutional amendment protecting equal marriage rights,[91] and criticized President Obama's position on the issue as to have "thrown this question back to the states."


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He's on the short list of running mates.
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I promise to keep the lizard people in check.
Smiley: rolleyes Will Farrell and his henchwoman removed any possible threat from Sleestak with that lamo remake of LotL.

What's your stance on the zombie apocalypse?
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Gary Johnson, Libertarian - he's pro dope and was a two-term governor of Enchantment land.

Vote worthy?

At first I thought you said Gary Johnston. As if Presidents aren't already puppets enough...
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I promise to keep the lizard people in check.
Smiley: rolleyes Will Farrell and his henchwoman removed any possible threat from Sleestak with that lamo remake of LotL.

What's your stance on the zombie apocalypse?

Guns, lots of guns.
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I'd vote for a Statler/Waldorf ticket.
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I'd vote for a Statler/Waldorf ticket.

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Obama could eat a live baby on national tv and you'd still vote for him.
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It wasn't aborted, so it better be if it knows what's good for it.
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You'll do anything to avoid talking about the racist you elected.
Being white trailer trash didn't entitle you to get an Obama Phone?

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You'll do anything to avoid talking about the racist you elected.

I am talking about him. You brought up Obama cannibalizing infants and I'm asking you about them.

Man, if you're going to be so unwilling to discuss your own talking points, you should stop using them Smiley: disappointed
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Gary Johnson, Libertarian - he's pro dope and was a two-term governor of Enchantment land.

Vote worthy?
Not a major fan of his stance on the military, but otherwise he isn't bad. Also saw him bungee jump at a state fair once. That was kinda cool.
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Once the Michelle Obama "Whitey" video is released, he's DOOOOOOOOMMMMMEEEDDDDDD....
Uncle Obama isn't catchy enough?

Yeah, I know, it probably has nothing to do with him.
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It isn't racist to acknowledge that the white man kept the black man enslaved for two hundred years or more in the Americas, kept him down, poor, and disenfranchised until well into the 20th century, and that we're still battling generations of inbred hatred, distrust, and denial as a result of that sordid past.

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Two thoughts:
First, Obama would eat that Republican baby only after it was deep fried and served with a side order of collard greens and watermelon for dessert. Just sayin'. He's gotta represent, ya know, his ethnic side.

Secondly, Catho, blacks were enslaving blacks long before whites and Arabs got around to using them for cotton pickin', shuffle dancing, and inspiring Al Jolson vaudeville routines. Only those blacks don't consider themselves blacks, they think of themselves as Hutu or Swahili, or Tutsis. To listen to guilty conscience striken white people, Americans practically invented slavery, rather than acknowledging that it is a scourge which has plagued mankind since the dawn of time even to this day. So get over it. It's over, done, fini, no more, and every other word which denotes finality. Give the whole "Oh woe is the present day black person for his kind have suffered SO much!" That is a reverse form of racism where you excuse every thing about them and strip them of their dignity by relieving them of any responsibility for their lives. Imagine if you did that to your kids. They'd never leave the house or your care since you void any kind of ambition or results from their actions.

Thirdly-- yes, I know I said I only had two points --if you can't recognise the first point is satire and the second is serious commentary, then, yes, you should vote for Obama since you have proven you lack critical thinking skills. Best of luck to you. You'll need it in life.

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Secondly, Catho, blacks were enslaving blacks long before whites and Arabs got around to using them for cotton pickin', shuffle dancing, and inspiring Al Jolson vaudeville routines. Only those blacks don't consider themselves blacks, they think of themselves as Hutu or Swahili, or Tutsis. To listen to guilty conscience striken white people, Americans practically invented slavery, rather than acknowledging that it is a scourge which has plagued mankind since the dawn of time even to this day. So get over it. It's over, done, fini, no more, and every other word which denotes finality. Give the whole "Oh woe is the present day black person for his kind have suffered SO much!" That is a reverse form of racism where you excuse every thing about them and strip them of their dignity by relieving them of any responsibility for their lives. Imagine if you did that to your kids. They'd never leave the house or your care since you void any kind of ambition or results from their actions.

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You're reading an awful lot of right-wing rhetoric into that one factually correct little statement by catwho.

Overcompensate much?
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Not at all. If I overcompensate, it would be in my tendency to empathize with others' plights. Regardless the persona I project here on this and other boards, my instinct is to see the world through the eyes of the person I am trying to understand.

However, Catho's statement baldly taken would suggest that our blacks have somehow been given greater obstacles and difficulties than blacks from other regions of the world. Yet, as a man who has traveled the world extensively, lived in Africa, the Middle East, and various places of interest in Central Asia, I can firmly attest to the view that many, if not most blacks from elsewhere subscribe to, which is that Americans, black, white, yellow, red, and all the shades inbetween have life pretty good and would gladly trade their existence for even the most destitute of inner city blacks.

Furthermore, if you cannot appreciate that last sentence for the sheer obviousness of it, then that tells me you haven't moved or lived in those circles. Because to them, a little racism for what there is in the United States, pales in comparison to the overwhelming violence and misery which surrounds them on a daily basis-- you know, the kind of trouble which involves being macheted to death, raped until dead, children forced to point a gun at their mother and pull the trigger, being accused of witchery and turning your neighbors into monkeys, having **** with newborns because you believe it cures AIDS, bathing in the blood of rival tribes thinking it renders you impervious to bullets, knives, and roadside bombs.

At the risk of minimizing our collective past, the complaints of blacks and those championing their problems smacks of the teenage girl bitterly complaining about the injustice befalling her when her parents take her cell phone away for bad grades. Trust not me, but the millions of blacks who have experienced real problems and carry on anyway. Racism?!? Pffft, if only they had such tiny problems.

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