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#102 Sep 29 2012 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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No one said it was magic. You make ice cream within a fairly narrow range of temperatures because you want it cold enough to be ice cream but not so cold as to be ice cream that you need a hammer and pick to eat. Ice-cream machines are designed to provide this temperature. As you noted, if you replaced the sugar for salt, you'd have double the depression effect, thus keeping it from freezing within the temperatures used to make ice cream. That's not to say it'd never, ever freeze. It just probably wouldn't freeze in your ice cream machine.

It's entirely possible that there was just a very minimal amount of salt used because perhaps they didn't sweeten their ice cream with sugar much; I guess you can also use condensed milk for sweetness. But if there wasn't enough salt to make it unpalatable, that negates the whole "And he ate the WHOLE thing!" aspect of the story.

Edit: This is also a sterling example of the sort of dumb shit we're willing to argue on this forum Smiley: laugh

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No one said it was magic. You make ice cream within a fairly narrow range of temperatures because you want it cold enough to be ice cream but not so cold as to be ice cream that you need a hammer and pick to eat. Ice-cream machines are designed to provide this temperature. As you noted, if you replaced the sugar for salt, you'd have double the depression effect, thus keeping it from freezing within the temperatures used to make ice cream. That's not to say it'd never, ever freeze. It just probably wouldn't freeze in your ice cream machine.

It's entirely possible that there was just a very minimal amount of salt used because perhaps they didn't sweeten their ice cream with sugar much; I guess you can also use condensed milk for sweetness. But if there wasn't enough salt to make it unpalatable, that negates the whole "And he ate the WHOLE thing!" aspect of the story.

Edit: This is also a sterling example of the sort of dumb shit we're willing to argue on this forum Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 29th 2012 1:57pm by Jophiel
I wasn't implying that it was magic, just thought that it'd be nice to put the science behind it because there seemed to be some confusion.

I couldn't give two **** about the Romneys and their ice cream fiasco
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#104 Sep 29 2012 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think anyone is really stupid enough to think "salty stuff never ever freezes", or we'd have a **** of a time explaining oceanic glaciers.

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#105 Sep 29 2012 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Living on a farm, if you **** up the ice cream you feed it to the pigs (which will pretty much eat anything). Then you get bacon!

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Is that an old school one of these?
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#107 Oct 01 2012 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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Back on topic, running the numbers for these Obama phones, they cost<$9 per month per phone, including device, service, shipping, program management etc.
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#108 Oct 01 2012 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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If I can dredge out the stats, I'll try to backtrack some of those figures, to get a clearer picture on which part of the program is incurring the bulk of the cost.
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Does it play Angry Birds?
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#110 Oct 01 2012 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, if you hurl it at them.

But I'd call that fowlplay.
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#111 Oct 01 2012 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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This is why Obama is a failure. There aren't any pigs around where I live for me to throw my free Obama Phone at.
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This is why Obama is a failure. There aren't any pigs around where I live for me to throw my free Obama Phone at.


So now you're blaming Obama for the bacon shortage?
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#113 Oct 01 2012 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't see any other presidents to blame, so ya!
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#114 Oct 01 2012 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I own a "Obama" phone and only game it comes with is Brick Attack. I try to see if I could pay for another game, and got message that I couldn't get other games for it. Which sucks as I'm more a Solitaire player then trying to move the paddle with very cheaply made Korean phone. Well I might make enough money selling jewelry that I could upgrade to a prepaid phone plan.
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I own a "Obama" phone and only game it comes with is Brick Attack.

Which is the game where your phone randomly and irrevocably stops working.
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#117 Oct 01 2012 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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#118gbaji, Posted: Oct 01 2012 at 6:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How is that the opposite of frugal? He's going to make ice cream. He messed up the first batch such that it didn't taste very good, didn't freeze fully, whatever. He's going to make another batch of ice cream. Hell, he's probably going to make several batches over the course of a hot summer. By saving and consuming the bad batch himself when he might otherwise eat some of each future batch, he's effectively saving the cost of the first batch. Which is being frugal.
#119 Oct 01 2012 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
Well, you are the poster child for wacky partisanship, so you would know.
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#120 Oct 01 2012 at 7:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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If someone said that watching my grandmother save hundreds of dry rotted rubber bands inspired them not to tolerate waste, I would happily mock them for it. That's exactly the sort of **** that should be thrown out.
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As has already been pointed out, ice cream is not something anyone needs to eat. If he'd thrown it out and gone without ice cream so his kids could have the next good batch, that'd be a lesson. Eating salty, nasty, extraneous empty calories because they're there is not really a lesson I'd want my kids to take away.

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#122 Oct 01 2012 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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As has already been pointed out, ice cream is not something anyone needs to eat. If he'd thrown it out and gone without ice cream so his kids could have the next good batch, that'd be a lesson. Eating salty, nasty, extraneous empty calories because they're there is not really a lesson I'd want my kids to take away.



I think you mean OUR kids Smiley: wink
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#123 Oct 02 2012 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is there something you're trying to tell me, Stupidmonkey?
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#124 Oct 02 2012 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Is there something you're trying to tell me, Stupidmonkey?


The moment has passed, I am no longer in the mood Smiley: lol
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#125 Oct 02 2012 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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Assuming he didn't make the children eat the salty ice cream, and instead made a new (presumably properly made) batch for the kids, his act of frugality makes a lot more sense.
Except for the part where that's the opposite of what frugal is, that makes sense.


How is that the opposite of frugal? He's going to make ice cream. He messed up the first batch such that it didn't taste very good, didn't freeze fully, whatever. He's going to make another batch of ice cream. Hell, he's probably going to make several batches over the course of a hot summer. By saving and consuming the bad batch himself when he might otherwise eat some of each future batch, he's effectively saving the cost of the first batch. Which is being frugal.

If he ate a whole batch of ice cream himself - because it tasted bad, was the wrong color or whatever, that is excessive. If he was highly frugal he's not be serving ice cream at all - there's no need for it.

If he was just a bit of a tightwad, he'd provide the kids their treat but if it flubbed up they'd have to eat it as is or skip it until next time.

Making the second batch, whether or not the first batch was eaten by himself or used as a fertilizer for Audrey 2, would be the wasteful part of this equation.



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#126 Oct 02 2012 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
He's going to make another batch of ice cream.
If he were frugal he wouldn't. That's kind of the point of frugality.
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To me, the response is a pretty glaring example of partisanship gone to nutty ends.
You are going to ridiculous lengths to defend your assumption, so I guess we could give you this one.
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If he was highly frugal he's not be serving ice cream at all - there's no need for it.
That's not frugal, that's flat out cheap. You can treat yourself and still be frugal. For most of us posting here, owning a car is a luxury as most of us can use public transport instead. Me owning a truck is wasteful, while someone owning a Prius is frugal.
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#128 Oct 02 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I assume you're asking about my example and to clarify that should have been me owning a Prius, as I can't speak for everyone in general. I only need a vehicle to go from point A to point B. My truck costs more in it's monthly payment, gas, insurance and general maintenance than a Prius would, yet the Prius meets my needs 95% of the time. The savings would be more than enough to cover me renting a truck on the occasion I actually need something bigger. Essentially, me owning a truck instead of a small car is wasteful and I only own one because I wanted one not because I needed one.
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He's going to make another batch of ice cream.
If he were frugal he wouldn't. That's kind of the point of frugality.


You're using an incredibly restrictive definition of frugal. Frugality isn't about total money spent, but about spending the least amount for what you get (not being wasteful). It's about "bang for buck". If you spend $10 on supplies to make one batch of ice cream and **** it up, you've spent $10 for zero result. If you buy a second $10 worth of supplies and make a batch of ice cream, you've gotten one batch for $20. Assuming your objective was to have a batch of ice cream, the second option is actually more frugal than the first.

As you make more successful batches the relative "cost" of failing with the first decreases. Obviously, this doesn't mean you rush out to buy a hundred batches of ice cream, but if we're assuming that the family would make several batches over a period of time anyway, then this isn't costing more money than they would have spent anyway. Given this situation, if one family member (like the father) who is willing to sacrifice flavor for cost, keeps the bad batch in the freezer and puts that in his bowl while providing new/good ice cream to the rest of the family, then he's able to sit with his family with all of them eating ice cream together, while making up for the loss of the initial batch.

Net effect is that he regains the lost cost of the first batch. Obviously, he could do the same thing by just not eating ice cream, but if this was more of a social thing for the family, he might choose the course he did. Either way, it's still an example of frugality. He choose not to waste something which was (presumably) still edible and thus fulfilled the purpose of ice cream (it's cold), but just didn't taste great. He did so in a way that protected his family from the cost of the initial mistake (they weren't forced to either eat bad tasting ice cream or go without).

Why is this a problem? Why is this such a horrible thing that he and his entire family should be mocked for it?

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To me, the response is a pretty glaring example of partisanship gone to nutty ends.
You are going to ridiculous lengths to defend your assumption, so I guess we could give you this one.


I'm responding to people attacking someone for relating an amusing story about their grandfather. But it's my motives that should be questioned instead?
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I think the point is that it's relative, not absolute.
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I assume you're asking about my example and to clarify that should have been me owning a Prius, as I can't speak for everyone in general. I only need a vehicle to go from point A to point B. My truck costs more in it's monthly payment, gas, insurance and general maintenance than a Prius would, yet the Prius meets my needs 95% of the time. The savings would be more than enough to cover me renting a truck on the occasion I actually need something bigger. Essentially, me owning a truck instead of a small car is wasteful and I only own one because I wanted one not because I needed one.


Ok, I thought you were saying Prius for the low gas costs, but if you were a minimal driver, gas costs are a low component of your costs comparative to vehicle price, so if you had a cheap truck that would be more economical.
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#133 Oct 02 2012 at 4:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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The point of the story wasn't too amuse but to awe is with Romney's sense of preventing waste brought on by his salty ice cream sludge eating father.

I tell the refrigerator light bulb story to amuse people, not to full them with a sense of wonder at my own qualities.
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gbaji wrote:
You're using an incredibly restrictive definition of frugal.
It only appears that way because you're trying to use the term so loosely that you're using it wrong and hoping no one notices, which isn't exactly a new tactic.
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I'm responding to people attacking someone for relating an amusing story about their grandfather.
The **** you taking about? You created a hypothetical possible scenario trying to make the actual story that was presented seem better, and now you're defending your assumption like it were reality, all the while not realizing that it's you being criticized, not Romney. You're like the Jehova's Witnesses of the Republican party.
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