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#52 Sep 28 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not much else to do when you're praying for someone to call your phone with a job offer. (My phone, which I had paid for myself, was at the time a $99 pre-paid Verizon deal that cost me $15 a month out of my unemployment insurance to keep active. I wish I had known about the "Obama phones" - except since that was 2005 I guess they were "Bush Phones" back then.)

No matter. I'm gainfully employed now, happily paying my taxes as part of the 53%, and going to finish a graduate degree that will probably double our household income in the next nine months. Then I can happily pay more taxes, probably as much in a single year as the four grand that covered my ass 7 years ago.

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Don't forget a larger % of your wealth than Romney!
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Still just a rat in a cage... Smiley: disappointed
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So you're admitting you fail on multiple fronts?
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God you're stupid. Obviously you're to stupid to know the tax rate on investments.


God you're stupid. Obviously you're to stupid to know the tax rate on investments was the joke.
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Yeah, this isn't varrus unless he's totally changed his MO

The vitriolic hatred is the same, and the username is clearly self-referntial. He probably just got a computer at home and thought it would be a good opportunity to fool us.
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It's the same because it's generic and easy to emulate. Asylum almost always has at least two and a half of them at a time.

Not saying it isn't the same person playing the role, but without the key characteristics it isn't the same character. Garfield and Heathcliff.
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It's the same because it's generic and easy to emulate. Asylum almost always has at least two and a half of them at a time.

Not saying it isn't the same person playing the role, but without the key characteristics it isn't the same character. Garfield and Heathcliff.


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Crazylegs swings between rational and irrational have a familiar cadence.
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#63 Sep 28 2012 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
I think his pendulum is jammed.
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I think his pendulum is jammed.


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If you have any kind of degree or advanced training it kinda hard to land a burger flipping job.
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Yeah, this isn't varrus unless he's totally changed his MO


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God you're stupid. Obviously you're to stupid to know the tax rate on investments.


Why do I suddenly get the crazy feeling that this person might actually BE Mitt Romney?
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I think his pendulum is jammed.
Too much Blood Sugar.

Speaking of, Romney's daughter-in-law was telling some humanizing tale today...
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Watching his father, George, eat an entire batch of home-made ice cream that was accidentally sweetened with salt, so that it wouldn't go to waste, had a huge impact on Mitt. Waste is simply not tolerated.

...which immediately made a good part of the internet question how one makes ice cream freeze when you've replaced all the sugar with salt.
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Crazylegs swings between rational and irrational have a familiar cadence.

Rational? I must have missed that post.
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Can we swap out the batsh*t crazy right wing ranters with some that can formulate a coherent argument? Mr. Crazylegs is boring.
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Don't forget a larger % of your wealth than Romney!


We set taxes as percentage of wealth now? Unless she's in that sweet income spot somewhere around $100-250k where most earnings are direct income versus capital gains she's almost certainly paying a lower percentage of her income than Romney. And if she's in that range, she's not hurting economically.
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#71gbaji, Posted: Sep 28 2012 at 5:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Which goes to show just how stupid a good part of the internet is.
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I think his pendulum is jammed.
Too much Blood Sugar.

Speaking of, Romney's daughter-in-law was telling some humanizing tale today...
Laurie Romney wrote:
Watching his father, George, eat an entire batch of home-made ice cream that was accidentally sweetened with salt, so that it wouldn't go to waste, had a huge impact on Mitt. Waste is simply not tolerated.

...which immediately made a good part of the internet question how one makes ice cream freeze when you've replaced all the sugar with salt.


Which goes to show just how stupid a good part of the internet is.


Smiley: dubious

Gbaji, you do know how homemade ice cream is made.... right?

And the freezing properties of salt water that make it possible...?

... You know what, I'm not even going to bother. Smiley: oyvey

Edit: I think George Romney lied to everyone when he said it was sweetened with salt so he could eat all of it himself, and Mitt never figured it out.

Edited, Sep 28th 2012 7:50pm by catwho
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#73 Sep 28 2012 at 6:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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George: Because you messed up, I now have to eat this salty ice cream, despite the taste, and it is all your fault!

Mitt: No, Daddy, don't eat it, I'm sorry, I will be better next time!

George: (tears running down his cheeks) No, son, WE DON'T WASTE FOOD! BE BRAVE! REMEMBER THE SACRIFICE I AM ABOUT TO MAKE FOR YOU!
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Can we swap out the batsh*t crazy right wing ranters with some that can formulate a coherent argument? Mr. Crazylegs is boring.
You already have those, they just stop posting because as soon as they make a point, the batsh*t crazy right wingers jump on it and run with it in a batsh*t crazy way and then the coherent ones give up.
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I'm just wondering how sick you'd be if you ate a whole batch of salted ice cream.

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Yeah. Mechanics aside, eating a batch of salty (presumably salty enough to be a trial worth remembering) ice cream strikes me less as a noble display of frugality and more like someone who doesn't understand the "sunk costs" fallacy. It's ruined man, just cut bait and let it go rather than eating fucked up ice cream just to make a point.
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Maybe the icecream was made correct, he ate it, and taught mitt a lesson about how you should never believe someone who wants your icecream?
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catwho wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I think his pendulum is jammed.
Too much Blood Sugar.

Speaking of, Romney's daughter-in-law was telling some humanizing tale today...
Laurie Romney wrote:
Watching his father, George, eat an entire batch of home-made ice cream that was accidentally sweetened with salt, so that it wouldn't go to waste, had a huge impact on Mitt. Waste is simply not tolerated.

...which immediately made a good part of the internet question how one makes ice cream freeze when you've replaced all the sugar with salt.


Which goes to show just how stupid a good part of the internet is.


Smiley: dubious

Gbaji, you do know how homemade ice cream is made.... right?

And the freezing properties of salt water that make it possible...?


Yes. And do you realize that the issue of freezing/melting has nothing to do with the story at hand? Apparently a "good part of the internet" wasn't smart enough to figure out that out. Which is what my comment was about.
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#79gbaji, Posted: Sep 28 2012 at 7:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Assuming he didn't make the children eat the salty ice cream, and instead made a new (presumably properly made) batch for the kids, his act of frugality makes a lot more sense. By consuming the salty ice cream, he's giving more of the good ice cream to the kids. It's a classic lesson of a parent sacrificing for his/her children by making use of something they don't want/like rather than just throwing it away.
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gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I think his pendulum is jammed.
Too much Blood Sugar.

Speaking of, Romney's daughter-in-law was telling some humanizing tale today...
Laurie Romney wrote:
Watching his father, George, eat an entire batch of home-made ice cream that was accidentally sweetened with salt, so that it wouldn't go to waste, had a huge impact on Mitt. Waste is simply not tolerated.

...which immediately made a good part of the internet question how one makes ice cream freeze when you've replaced all the sugar with salt.


Which goes to show just how stupid a good part of the internet is.


Smiley: dubious

Gbaji, you do know how homemade ice cream is made.... right?

And the freezing properties of salt water that make it possible...?


Yes. And do you realize that the issue of freezing/melting has nothing to do with the story at hand? Apparently a "good part of the internet" wasn't smart enough to figure out that out. Which is what my comment was about.


Apparently a good part of the internet has figured out what makes ice cream ice cream. You'll catch up some day. Maybe.
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Assuming he didn't make the children eat the salty ice cream, and instead made a new (presumably properly made) batch for the kids, his act of frugality makes a lot more sense.
Except for the part where that's the opposite of what frugal is, that makes sense.
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Yes. And do you realize that the issue of freezing/melting has nothing to do with the story at hand?

Sure it does. He supposedly ate an entire batch of ice cream that was made with salt. You can't make ice cream with with any significant salt content since it won't freeze which is sort of central to the whole "ice cream" concept. I suppose he could have drank an entire quart of salty milk sludge with vanilla flavoring which would make him sound even stupider. Or, the story is fabricated.

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Assuming he didn't make the children eat the salty ice cream, and instead made a new (presumably properly made) batch for the kids, his act of frugality makes a lot more sense. By consuming the salty ice cream, he's giving more of the good ice cream to the kids. It's a classic lesson of a parent sacrificing for his/her children by making use of something they don't want/like rather than just throwing it away.

Yeah, you don't "sacrifice" by eating ice cream. You choose to eat it or not eat it and, if it tastes like salty shit, the intelligent choice is "not eat it". It's not as though they were living in Anne Frank's attic and this was their only food for the week or something. The day I eat crappy ice cream and expect people to think I'm nobly "sacrificing" for my children, I hope a flight of angels spirit my kids away to a parent with a fucking clue.

You know how a sane person would handle that situation? By teaching their kids that sometimes you make a mistake and things don't work out but, given that it's nothing significant, you can just laugh it off, have a funny memory and move on with life rather than eating a quart of sad-cream.


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Salt only lowers the freezing temperature, it doesn't make it impossible to freeze. Fully saturated salt water freezes at -6 F. A home freezer is about 0 F, so it's entirely conceivable.

*Disclaimer: I have no idea about how the rest of the components of the ice cream would affect it.
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The story says "Home made ice cream" which I would assume means it used one of those crank machines you put salty ice water into the outside and the milk into the center container and get to cranking. In fact, the point of the salt in the ice water is create enough cold that you can semi-freeze (non-salted) milk.

I would suspect that you'd either have a minimal enough salt in there that it would freeze but not significantly affect the taste (very possible; maybe Mormons don't add a full measure of sugar to their ice cream. Beats me) which sort of invalidates the point of the story or having enough salt to make its consumption a "sacrifice" would prohibit it from freezing.

I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on it. Someone mail it in to Mythbusters. Or maybe some aspiring GOP'er will film themselves making salty ice cream and put it on YouTube. I think the "point" of the story is pretty dumb anyway so it's all the same to me. The key line is supposed to be that Mitt learned "waste will not be tolerated" but sometimes you're better off tolerating waste. Saying "No! We've spent this much, we MUST sacrifice further" is a terrible mindset to apply to every situation. That's the sort of thinking that blindly gives you "We must send 50,000 more men in so the deaths of the first 45,000 won't be in vain".

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Ah, wasn't aware that's how you froze it.

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Alton Brown should get back on the Food Network and make a combination Good Eats/Mythbusters combo. Eats Busters?

I'm thinking even the electric machines would have trouble freezing a mixture with a salt for sugar replacement. If I remember Good Eats correctly, I think Alton's recipes called for like... 1/2 to 1 cup of sugar (or a even a little more)... That's a lot of salt for a couple cups of liquid.
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I can't help but to think of China's government attack trolls every time I read gbaji's post.
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Ah, wasn't aware that's how you froze it.

I saw my grandfather make homemade ice cream a dozen times when I was a child, but I never knew exactly how the salt was used. Guess you learn something new every day.
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Yeah. Mechanics aside, eating a batch of salty (presumably salty enough to be a trial worth remembering) ice cream strikes me less as a noble display of frugality and more like someone who doesn't understand the "sunk costs" fallacy. It's ruined man, just cut bait and let it go rather than eating fucked up ice cream just to make a point.


Assuming he didn't make the children eat the salty ice cream, and instead made a new (presumably properly made) batch for the kids, his act of frugality makes a lot more sense. By consuming the salty ice cream, he's giving more of the good ice cream to the kids. It's a classic lesson of a parent sacrificing for his/her children by making use of something they don't want/like rather than just throwing it away.

Why am I not surprised that liberals nationwide not only failed to get the point, but managed to find some way to deride it?


Or you could jsut not have any ice cream and sure, make another batch for the kids. Ice cream is a luxury food item, if you're not going to enjoy it then it's just @#%^ing up your body for no reason. This doesn't cost you any more.

Eating burned steak or something, sure, that's normal. I mean, it's hardly exceptional in any way, so it makes a fairly weak hardline anti-waste message, but it might make him more relateable.
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Awww Gbaji has a new friend. Reminds me of when Varus was around.
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Actually, I have a similar story to Mitt's fabricated one, only ours was a legit kid mistake. My best friend and I made peanut butter cookies from a recipe, but we read 1 tbsp of salt as "one cup of salt" and we ended up with the saltiest, nastiest cookies on the planet.

My mother took one bite and threw the whole batch out, then helped us make another.
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Eating burned steak or something, sure, that's normal.

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In George Romney's defense, he was fairly impoverished growing up, and the Depression broke their family also. Other people I know that had similar circumstances also retained irrational habits toward food even after they reached affluence. For example, always literally scraping a plate completely clean to eat every last particle of food, or tearing a napkin into fourths to waste less.
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Sure. And my grandmother horded dried out rubber bands that would disintegrate into dust if used. They kept the same Styrofoam cup next to the kitchen tap for years. My grandfather famously unscrewed the light bulb in the refrigerator to save electricity. When my mother and aunt were younger, he would make "garbage stew" where he cleaned all the leftovers out of the fridge, threw them in a pot and boiled it into a single mass. He used to comb the alleyways in Chicago looking for discarded stuff to give to us ("Oh boy, a bag full of mismatched discarded mittens...") But he also had paper grocery bags full of cash he kept hidden in the house and used to walk to the bank near daily to check his account interest. Both lived through the Depression -- my grandfather was a bona fide boxcar riding hobo trying to get work from city to city back in the day.

The difference being that we recognized that as being extreme behaviors likely brought on by a very stressful event. They weren't lauded as "My grandparents kept a thousand worthless rubber bands because waste would not be tolerated; isn't that something wonderful to emulate?" It wasn't wonderful, it was a sickness and it's a shame that they were too afraid to spend any money to buy a seventy-five cent bag of rubber bands from the drug store.

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However, in this instance we have to keep in consideration that eating ice cream made out of salt isn't a sickness, it's magic, and it should be celebrated as such.
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I think the pattern would be similar with anyone from that era, my 4 grand parents all have some quirks associated with scrimping and saving. It is just the way they were raised. Heck my Grandfather keeps all of his batteries in his freezer, my Grandmother literally sleeps on money. She refuses to use a bank other than cashing checks. My other Grandmother refuses to buy food she can grow herself, and that is just a tiny portion of the odd things.
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Thanks to grandmothers and great(s) grandmothers I have a wonderful collection of Victorian Buttons. A few going back as far as the Civil War. Sure one of my grandmothers washed and kept all the Styrofoam trays from meat packaging on the servants steps to the second floor, but rumor was she had stash many a $20 through out the mini mansion, they lived in. I wish I had her camera collection (first Brownie and Polaroid). as well as every Edison invention that made it to the market. Some horders did saved important history.

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I know I'm late to the party, but you guys should read up on how freezing point depression works.

Salt (NaCl) doesn't have, itself, some intrinsic anti-melting property. Any solute in a solution causes the freezing point of the solvent to decrease. NaCl is just the most commonly used because it's easily available and cheap. Putting sugar in water can also decrease it's freezing point.

It's important to note, however, that the magnitude of the depression is dependent on the molality (concentration) of solute the solution. NaCl, when dissolved, dissociates into Na+ and Cl- giving twice as much solute per NaCl molecule thereby doubling the depression effect, whereas sugar (most likely in this case sucrose: C12H22O11) does not dissociate.

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