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#1 Sep 26 2012 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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I guess on some level I knew that clothes sizes were manipulated by the clothes manufacturers. A story I heard this morning on the radio confirmed that peripheral knowledge. If the marketing professor they were interviewing is not exaggerating the size 6 that I thought I'd maintained over the last twenty years is actually like a size 10. She says the vanity sizing trends have also reached men's clothes. You may think a 36" pants is based on a 36" measure, but that's not necessarily so.
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"What used to be a size 8 in the 1950s has become a size 4 in the 1970s and a zero in 2006," Krishna said.

The point that Krishna is really making in this article is all about labels.
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In one experiment, she gave people cookies that were labeled either medium or large, and then measured how much they ate.

The catch? The cookies were identical in size.

What happened? You guessed it. People ate more cookies when they were labeled "medium." Rather than trust what their stomachs were telling them, in other words, people went by the label.


Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves with labels or have we simply grown accepting and comfortable with larger sizes in both our clothes and our bags of fries?

Isn't it rather paradoxical that on one hand we claim to despise the unrealistic body image that the fashion industry continues to sell us with anorexic-looking run-way models yet on the other hand we eat up their attempts at making us feel like we're mabye, just a teeny bit like that skinny model because we fit into a size 6 dress (that used to be a size 10)?

Should there be standardized clothes sizes or portion sizes for retail establishments to adhere to (that would mean MORE regulation!)?

Would you be cool living, working and traveling in one of them lounging mobile chairs like the fatties in Wall-E used? I might be ok with that, but I doubt they do very well in the snow.

The brits, always trying to make us Merican's feel inferior (ok, so maybe they don't have to try that hard) have been attempting to tackle the body image issue. This year they initiated the 'Body Confidence' awards

To see what a woman's body supposedly really looks like at various weights and heights and types check out My Body Gallery.






Edited, Sep 26th 2012 3:13pm by Elinda
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#2 Sep 26 2012 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I find the whole size thing very annoying. I don't give a **** what size I fit into, so long as I fit into it. I hate getting a size 38 from one store and fitting into it, getting 38 from another and it being ridiculously loose on me and then getting a 38 from another store and it being snug or too tight on me. Just set a standard and everyone fucking stick to that standard.
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#3 Sep 26 2012 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
I find the whole size thing very annoying. I don't give a **** what size I fit into, so long as I fit into it. I hate getting a size 38 from one store and fitting into it, getting 38 from another and it being ridiculously loose on me and then getting a 38 from another store and it being snug or too tight on me. Just set a standard and everyone fucking stick to that standard.

I think they've changed up shoe sizes too. I started out adulthood wearing a 6, then for many years i wore a 7 now I wear a six again.

Seems like standardized sizes would be helpful for on-line sales.
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#4 Sep 26 2012 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
I find the whole size thing very annoying. I don't give a **** what size I fit into, so long as I fit into it. I hate getting a size 38 from one store and fitting into it, getting 38 from another and it being ridiculously loose on me and then getting a 38 from another store and it being snug or too tight on me. Just set a standard and everyone fucking stick to that standard.
Seriously. I hate having to use dressing rooms for normal purchases.
#5 Sep 26 2012 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves
Most people are. Especially the ones that order everything off a menu and a diet drink.
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#6 Sep 26 2012 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Fat people problems.
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Fat people problems.


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#8 Sep 26 2012 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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My baby, who is almost eight months, is in 12-18 month clothing. Then again, he does look like the Michelin Tire Man...
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All babies look like the Michelin Tire Man.

Except mine, who was a beautiful angel.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves
Most people are. Especially the ones that order everything off a menu and a diet drink.
I can't speak for everyone else who you see ordering, but I order diet pop because I'm diabetic and one glass of normal pop will do more damage to me than eating 3 entrees off of any menu.
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#11 Sep 26 2012 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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All babies look like the Michelin Tire Man.

Except mine, who was a beautiful angel.

No, actually my other one was rather skinny, except for a one-month period where he was a bit chubby.
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#12 Sep 26 2012 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves
Most people are. Especially the ones that order everything off a menu and a diet drink.
I can't speak for everyone else who you see ordering, but I order diet pop because I'm diabetic and one glass of normal pop will do more damage to me than eating 3 entrees off of any menu.


Ah, eating at a fast food restaurant, ordering a diet soda, AND being a diabetic - the trifecta. Are you sure you haven't slipped south of the border?
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I never understood the diet coke rant thing. I mean, I get it from a "I have five more minutes of stand-up to fill and need jokes" point of view but, realistically, 1,500 calories + 0 cal. is better than 1,500 calories + 1,200 more calories with zero nutritional benefit. Maybe neither is a stellar dietary decision but one is significantly worse than the other.
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#14 Sep 26 2012 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I never understood the diet coke rant thing. I mean, I get it from a "I have five more minutes of stand-up to fill and need jokes" point of view but, realistically, 1,500 calories + 0 cal. is better than 1,500 calories + 1,200 more calories with zero nutritional benefit. Maybe neither is a stellar dietary decision but one is significantly worse than the other.

It's just something the hipsters like to rant about. Guenny's brought it up at least twice before on this very forum.
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I've also said why. Fake sugar makes you crave real sugar, because you're telling your body you're consuming sweets, it gets none, and it craves more. It's a viscous cycle. Not only that, but fake sugar is SO sweet, that it dulls your taste buds, so that when you do consume foods that are normally sweet, they taste less sweet, then therefore craving more sweets.

Forgive me for not scouring google but here is a decent site from almost two decades ago of some studies done on aspartame: http://www.wnho.net/emerging_aspartame_facts.htm

Or, you know, who the fUck cares, let's just keep making ourselves sicker and fall back a couple more rungs on the evolutionary ladder. I'm just a hipster who is too cool for Diet Coke. Smiley: cool
#16 Sep 26 2012 at 10:01 PM Rating: Excellent
I prefer water with my meals myself.
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#17 Sep 26 2012 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guenny wrote:
I've also said why. Fake sugar makes you crave real sugar, because you're telling your body you're consuming sweets, it gets none, and it craves more. It's a viscous cycle.


Except when consumed with meals containing sugars and other carbohydrates, I'm sure your body sees and consumes those other sugars and the effect is not nearly as bad as you like to make it out to be. If all you were consuming was fake sugars and your body never saw anything to use it maybe then it would be a problem... (but of course you'd have other problems as well)

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#18 Sep 26 2012 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I prefer water with my meals myself.


Depends on the meal for me. I have to have pop with my pizza.
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Guenny wrote:
I've also said why. Fake sugar makes you crave real sugar, because you're telling your body you're consuming sweets, it gets none, and it craves more. It's a viscous cycle.


Except when consumed with meals containing sugars and other carbohydrates, I'm sure your body sees and consumes those other sugars and the effect is not nearly as bad as you like to make it out to be. If all you were consuming was fake sugars and your body never saw anything to use it maybe then it would be a problem... (but of course you'd have other problems as well)

Edited, Sep 27th 2012 12:09am by TirithRR


Yes, I'm sure your conjecture about how metabolism works is a much more reliable fact than the apparent hyperbole I'm making out of science. Just go enjoy another can of that sweet, sweet nectar.
#20 Sep 27 2012 at 12:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just go enjoy another can of that sweet, sweet nectar.
Sweet Nectar only regens 1344 mana. Smiley: frown
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I prefer water with my meals myself.

Nah, beer for everything.
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Guenny wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves
Most people are. Especially the ones that order everything off a menu and a diet drink.
I can't speak for everyone else who you see ordering, but I order diet pop because I'm diabetic and one glass of normal pop will do more damage to me than eating 3 entrees off of any menu.


Ah, eating at a fast food restaurant, ordering a diet soda, AND being a diabetic - the trifecta. Are you sure you haven't slipped south of the border?
You're the one who threw in Fast Food there.
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#23 Sep 27 2012 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Elinda wrote:
Are we really gullible enough to fool ourselves
Most people are. Especially the ones that order everything off a menu and a diet drink.
I can't speak for everyone else who you see ordering, but I order diet pop because I'm diabetic and one glass of normal pop will do more damage to me than eating 3 entrees off of any menu.


Ah, eating at a fast food restaurant, ordering a diet soda, AND being a diabetic - the trifecta. Are you sure you haven't slipped south of the border?
You're the one who threw in Fast Food there.

Without it, she couldn't make her trifecta claim. Smiley: rolleyes
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#24 Sep 27 2012 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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Just curious, how do people define 'fast food'?

Clearly McDonald's, BK and Wendy's fit the bill. How about Panera Bread? Five Guys? Dominoes? Starbucks?

What are the criteria?
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Elinda wrote:
Just curious, how do people define 'fast food'?

Clearly McDonald's, BK and Wendy's fit the bill. How about Panera Bread? Five Guys? Dominoes? Starbucks?

What are the criteria?


If the menu is on a wall...
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#26 Sep 27 2012 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Just curious, how do people define 'fast food'?

Clearly McDonald's, BK and Wendy's fit the bill. How about Panera Bread? Five Guys? Dominoes? Starbucks?

What are the criteria?


If the menu is on a wall...
Or on a big lit-up board in the drive-through. Smiley: clown
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