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#52 Sep 26 2012 at 8:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yup. And a US president so afraid to do something that might upset one of the dozen disparate factions of voters he depends on for re-election that he's been effectively hiding under his desk for the last 2 and a half years

Aside from the bajillion drone strikes across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc, dozens of dead leaders and strong-arming Pakistan (rather than just blindly paying them billions of dollars to hide bin Laden and give over chunks of land to Taliban government control).

Man, you're not even TRYING to have credibility here, are you?
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#53 Sep 26 2012 at 8:48 PM Rating: Excellent
yeah, I'm struggling to figure out how killing more people more aggressively is seen as passive foreign policy. I guess he didn't actually start any new wars.
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yeah, I'm struggling to figure out how killing more people more aggressively is seen as passive foreign policy.

Because when your guy is losing Ohio by six plus points, you start swinging wildly in a blind panic.
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Yup. So apply that to Obama's foreign policy. He's cheered (from the sidelines) movements which caused governmental collapse in several nations, taken no part in rebuilding them or strengthening them against those stronger governments, and then steadfastly refused to take any action, even verbal against those stronger governments when they merrily send their agents in to manipulate the new and weaker governments.


There is no action to take, that's the point. Doing nothing (publicly, the naive idea that the US wasn't and isn't presently deeply involved in shaping these new governments as best it can along with Iran, Syria, Russia et all is infantile) is, quite frequently, the best course of action. What exactly was the course of action to take that yields better results?

I mean I understand, the guy you've championed for the election for years now is a stiff, clumsy nightmare of loser who people mostly distrust and you're dying for any fingernail hold of *something* to hang on to. Here's a tip: This isn't it. Really. Step outside the echo chamber for a moment. It's not 1949. The US can't act unilaterally against another nation state with literally no provocation. Even verbally. You don't condemn Syria or Iran for this, if you do, they laugh and gain support.

I've said this previously, but I'll repeat it now, both of these guys, al-Assad and Khamenei are not tin pot dictators, comically flawed and easily undermined. They, especially Khamenei, aren't acting. They're the real thing. Khamenei is a political genius. al-Assad is lesser talent, but so is pretty much everyone else on the planet. It's very, very, very unlikely that any even vaguely democratic state is going to outmaneuver them in their backyard. Us, Israel, and he newly formed governments in question included. al-Assad will kill every man woman and child in Syria to maintain power, personally if it came to it. Khamenei won a fucking war with Iraq, with Iraq supported by the USSR, US, and the Saudis. At the cost of 1,000,000 casualties. 1,000,000 of his own dead, chemical weapons used against some of them, largely because the US was embarrassed by the revolution. This is the guy you're going to handle with harsh language? Really?

Good luck with that.

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I'm not sure what your point was there. Let me clue you in to something you and I both know, but I suspect a lot of others don't (and which frankly the left finds politically incorrect, so they wont say). These attacks are happening because the leaders in those countries are more afraid of the extremists among their own populations than they are of losing US support/aid/friendship/whatever. They are afraid to take any position that might appear to be siding with the US because they're quite sure (due to recent history) that the US will not support them for taking those positions and wont act against them for failing to. I mean, when the Obama administration is going back and forth trying to figure out how to label the attacks in a way that will poll the best, and the Libyan government is jumping up and down saying "it was a planned terrorist attacks you idiots! Do something!", it's a pretty strong indication that our leaders are off their f'ing rockers.


You realize the Libyan Gov't did side with us on this matter, right? And that we are handling it via killing the offending parties? And that the attackers are ex-members of the gov't that the US helped depose, right?

So, uh, how many windows did you lick as a child? I've been told lead paint chips are bad for you.

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Edit: Also, I take the kids to the museum for one day and nobody mentions that Gallup tracking has Obama +6 in the national horserace? That's a nightmare number for Romney. The recent stuff from Ohio is even worse. Too early to gloat, but, man, it's 42-14 in the 3rd quarter. I want Obama to win, but it could at least be slightly entertaining.

What, you don't think it's funny watching Romney's foot-in-mouth like a snake eating its own tail?
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The ad from the actual Obama campaign is even more simple & brutal than the DNC ad. Romney can say a thousand times how his "heart aches" for the lower/middle class and he really cares and each time it takes less than 30 seconds to knock it down.

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You know you're in for a treat when he says "I'm not sure what your point was," because it's certain he's going to proudly go off in some random direction that can only vaguely be related to the actual point being made.
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The Obamas spent 1.4 billion of US taxpayer money.
If they called it a war you'd be begging them to spend more. Smiley: smile
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#62 Sep 27 2012 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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The Obamas spent 1.4 billion of US taxpayer money. Think that'll resonate.


That's ok Bush the younger still costs the US tax payers about 1 Billion a year (1.3 in 2013!), which means that he has spent a total of of about 4 billion of US tax payer money since Obama took office....and he isn't even working anymore.

4-1.3 = 2.7 Billion more US tax dollars, kind of reminds me of his presidency.




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#63 Sep 27 2012 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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found that video kind of funny.

(ps I don't know how to embed videos)
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The Obamas spent 1.4 billion of US taxpayer money. Think that'll resonate.

Hasn't yet but keep trying!
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#65 Sep 27 2012 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Obamas spent 1.4 billion of US taxpayer money. Think that'll resonate.

Hasn't yet but keep trying!


Can't; too busy with meaningful campaign stops.
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Jophiel wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
The Obamas spent 1.4 billion of US taxpayer money. Think that'll resonate.

Hasn't yet but keep trying!


Can't; too busy with meaningful campaign stops.

I'm sorry, couldn't get past the first sentence of that article.

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If I named the conservatives who've done the most for freedom and the conservative cause in my lifetime, I'd include William F. Buckley, Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh, and not necessarily in that order.


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Every time I turn on my TV, it's the same political rally with Paul Ryan and the same crowd around him, state after state after state, and it looks like a political beauty pageant. And it looks like politics, not like governing. You don't want to run for president looking like a candidate. You want to run for president looking like a president. Go to where the problem is, Mitt Romney, go to an inner city and find out what's happened to the American family that's falling apart. Go where the problem is, go to an unemployment line, talk to some people.


He can't do this of course because

A) He's scurred of them.
B) It's not his job to worry about them folk.

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Well obviously the campaign is failing; but would be succeeding if Ronmey was more like Rush Limbaugh. Smiley: rolleyes
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Well obviously the campaign is failing; but would be succeeding if Ronmey was more like Rush Limbaugh. Smiley: rolleyes

Rush has more fans than Romney. True story.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Can't; too busy with meaningful campaign stops.

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I'm not sure Rush has ever run a political campaign, but he's a hell of a radio host. The man has enthralled 20 million listeners three hours a day, nonstop, without guests for nearly 30 years. Reliably, I'm one of them.

Pfftt... the guy's on vacation like two days a week these days with Mark Steyn or whoever filling in.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Well obviously the campaign is failing; but would be succeeding if Ronmey was more like Rush Limbaugh. Smiley: rolleyes

Rush has more fans than Romney. True story.


Different standards.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Well obviously the campaign is failing; but would be succeeding if Ronmey was more like Rush Limbaugh. Smiley: rolleyes

Rush has more fans than Romney. True story.


Different standards.

[insert Mad TV "lowered expectations" graphic here]
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These liberal Republican pollsters are doing their best to suppress voter turnout in swing states.


Fixed that for you.

As I pointed out in a blog post earlier this year, even some Republicans thought what Sproul did was uniquely criminal. “The difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn’t throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out,” noted Chris Cannon, a Republican lawmaker from Utah, who later lost his seat because of a right-wing primary challenge, during a congressional hearing on voter suppression. Indeed, many voter registration groups (including ACORN) have paid per-registration form turned in, thus incentivizing fake signatures—i.e., Mickey Mouse registering to vote. But this type of thing doesn't actually result in fraudulent votes because Mickey Mouse doesn’t show up at the polls and try to cast a ballot. Destroying registration forms, on the other hand, means citizens who believed they were registered show up and could have been denied their vote.
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Rasmussen had the least accurate polls in 2010 out of the major firms.

Actually even their 2008 polling favored McCain more than the norm throughout much of the 2008 race but they firmed up closer to the rest towards the end of the race, not the other way around.
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Rasmussen had the least accurate polls in 2010 out of the major firms.

Actually even their 2008 polling favored McCain more than the norm throughout much of the 2008 race but they firmed up closer to the rest towards the end of the race, not the other way around.

I think it's funny that Rasmussen has such notoriously inaccurate polls that electoral-vote.com offers a "Rasmussen-free maps" version prominently on its home page.
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Actually these polls are the liberals swinging wildly.
How convenient for you and your gimmick.
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#77 Sep 27 2012 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
I quite enjoy wild swinging! Were they using a tire swing? Those are the best.
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#79 Sep 27 2012 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
I'd be swinging wildly, but I lost all my polyester pants-suits in the divorce.Smiley: cry
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Rasmussen had the least accurate polls in 2010 out of the major firms.

Actually even their 2008 polling favored McCain more than the norm throughout much of the 2008 race but they firmed up closer to the rest towards the end of the race, not the other way around.

I think it's funny that Rasmussen has such notoriously inaccurate polls that electoral-vote.com offers a "Rasmussen-free maps" version prominently on its home page.


Oddly enough, the Rasmussen polls commission by Fox News have a lower republican bias than the average Rasmussen poll.
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Dang Liberal media and over sampling polls. Its obvious. Who can really believe that in less than a week that Obama would take a lead in the polls in all the battle ground states. Id wager 47% of you would.
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Fox News has Obama up by five. Liberal polling conspiracy!!

The way it was presented this morning on the radio was amusing. "A new Fox News poll shows President Obama leading challenger Mitt Romney by five points but has them nearly tied on who is best to lead the economy..."
(A) I'm guessing "nearly tied" means Obama is leading that since they'd have otherwise said "Romney is leading in who is best..."
(B) If the best Romney can do is nearly tied in the one singular thing that was supposed to be the focus of his whole campaign...

Thank God Fox News is no doubt cooking the numbers to depress Republican voter turnout.
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I dunno there is one thing I can see Romney doing better than Obama.

Increasing that 47% by another 5-10%.

Trickle down baby!
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Thank God Fox News is no doubt cooking the numbers to depress Republican voter turnout.
Just keeping them humble.
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Had anyone posted this yet?

Partisan beer chart
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That beer chart was terrible. Where are all the microbrews?

Considering the small dots for national brands like Fosters, Molson and Becks, I'm guessing any given microbrew is statistically insignificant.
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Obvious over sampling on Coors. I drink Coors and I am left leaning.



Oh and Miller! christ who ever did the polling on this cooked the books.


(I buy my beer in Detroit its half the price compared to the beer up here, @#%^ paying 45 bucks for a case of beer.)

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That beer chart was terrible. Where are all the microbrews?

Considering the small dots for national brands like Fosters, Molson and Becks, I'm guessing any given microbrew is statistically insignificant.


Then have a generic bubble for "Small batch craft brews" and lump them all together.

The only thing I drink on there regularly is Sam Adams, and that's whenever the local package store gets a seasonal variety pack in when we've got a party coming up.
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Then have a generic bubble for "Small batch craft brews" and lump them all together.

That implies that all are drunk equally by the same partisan make-up.
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I didn't see the Old Style "votes twice for the Democrat" section. Was it on another chart?
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I laughed at the Budweiser placement because that's what all the Mexicans drink (at least around here). And MGD is my default beer selection. As in "I'm having a beer because it sounds like a good idea at the moment but I don't care enough about beer to order anything more exotic than this."
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It's hard to make many meaningful connections in that beer chart, other than that people who vote more often apparently also have more money and/or refined taste, and avoid the shittiest light beers.

They did a restaurant chart also, that has some humorous outliers: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-feltus-chick-fil-a.eps-20120803,0,570192.graphic
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