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#1 Sep 20 2012 at 3:52 AM Rating: Good
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I think that this is a gorgeous image. It is about rage, frustration, throwing stones at police, and (I presume) tear gas. It's beautiful.
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Yes, from an artistic standpoint the surreal white inanimate smoke contrasting with the dark glistening skin and black fabrics of the animate person is pleasing to look at.

But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.
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Yes, from an artistic standpoint the surreal white inanimate smoke contrasting with the dark glistening skin and black fabrics of the animate person is pleasing to look at.

But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.


This.
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But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.


I don't get it. What's the "context" that bothers you?
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But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.


I don't get it. What's the "context" that bothers you?
You know I actually thought about that. There is nothing inherently violent in the photo. It was Ari's description that made me look at the picture as if I was looking at a battle scene.
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When I was going through boot camp, we were put in formation and the drill instructors threw gas canisters at us and we had to put on the gas masks as fast as possible. That's about when the wind shifted and we didn't need to anymore, but we did have to keep from laughing at scrambling brown rounds.
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But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.


I don't get it. What's the "context" that bothers you?
You know I actually thought about that. There is nothing inherently violent in the photo. It was Ari's description that made me look at the picture as if I was looking at a battle scene.


It's the face and the flexed arm. It looks like he's obviously distressed and so triggers our fight/flight reflex (at a low level, I don't think anybody is scared here). Smoke becomes tear gas, he becomes a protester throwing a rock at a police brigade etc. Hard to feel positive in that state. If he was smiling in a tutu we'd all think the image was cheery and be wondering what kind of smoke effects he's using.
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When I was going through boot camp, we were put in formation and the drill instructors threw gas canisters at us and we had to put on the gas masks as fast as possible. That's about when the wind shifted and we didn't need to anymore, but we did have to keep from laughing at scrambling brown rounds.


See my first experience was shafted. I know the purpose of the gas chamber is to teach you how to put on your mask and seal it properly. My first experience was us in standing in front of the container, after jumping up and down, with them waving the gas in our face until we broke. Since I shouted my information, they let me go when I started twitching.

The funniest thing is when I got out, I wasn't affected like everyone else. I could actually see and didn't have a ton of snot coming out of my nose. They guy kept saying "follow my voice" and I kept replying "I can see you"....

Fortunately, when I got to my first BN, we did it properly and I put on my mask and didn't feel anything.
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See my first experience was shafted. I know the purpose of the gas chamber is to teach you how to put on your mask and seal it properly. My first experience was us in standing in front of the container, after jumping up and down, with them waving the gas in our face until we broke.


Me too! Also mace and pepper spray. I was pretty sure I was going to get mustard gassed at some point, but fortunately no. In retrospect, I know no one who's had to actually deal with chemical agents in theater, and I know a lot of people who would have the chance if it were going to happen. Really would have been more useful if they had shot all of us in a non threatening area. There's an experience I would have like to have been able to had in a controlled setting.

Edited, Sep 20th 2012 10:25am by Smasharoo
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See my first experience was shafted. I know the purpose of the gas chamber is to teach you how to put on your mask and seal it properly. My first experience was us in standing in front of the container, after jumping up and down, with them waving the gas in our face until we broke.


Me too! Also mace and pepper spray. I was pretty sure I was going to get mustard gassed at some point, but fortunately no. In retrospect, I know no one who's had to actually deal with chemical agents in theaters, and I know a lot of people who would have the chance if it were going to happen. Really would have been more useful if they had shot all of us in a non threatening area. There's an experience I would have like to have been able to had in a controlled setting.

I went into a live agent chamber once at a terrerist training place in Alabama. Before entering the chamber with sarin gas we were outfitted in military protective gear. Much more wearable than the hazmat stuff I'm used to, but we were far from being in total encapsulation.

We did have to have a rigorous fit test done on the respirators before making entry though. It was kinda cool. Had to shower nude in group showers afterwards though - not something we civvies are very comfortable with. Fortunately there was only myself and one other woman in the group.
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Had to shower nude in group showers afterwards though - not something we civvies are very comfortable with. Fortunately there was only myself and one other woman in the group.


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Yes, from an artistic standpoint the surreal white inanimate smoke contrasting with the dark glistening skin and black fabrics of the animate person is pleasing to look at.

But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.
Beauty doesn't have to mean positive emotions though. See James Nachtwey, Sebastiao Salgado, Steve McCurry and many more.


Also Ari, who's the photographer/what's the source of that photo?
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What is that Sebastiao Salgado photo of?
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Also Ari, who's the photographer/what's the source of that photo?
Both relevant and irrelevant to your question, but I found this amusing.
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Totally similar!
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What is that Sebastiao Salgado photo of?
It's part of a series about mines in Brazil, I can't remember what they were mining there though, just the hundreds upon hundreds of people climbing rickety ladders.

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Also Ari, who's the photographer/what's the source of that photo?
Both relevant and irrelevant to your question, but I found this amusing.
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Totally similar!
I can sorta kinda see how the dog is similar in shape to the gas cloud.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Also Ari, who's the photographer/what's the source of that photo?

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Photo: Egyptian protester prepares to throw stones towards police during a demonstration against the film.



Sorry, should have included the source/photographer in the OP.
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What is that Sebastiao Salgado photo of?

From what I've seen, probably sapphire miners in Africa. Or was it India? They hand dig out an open cut mine, taking the sand/soil up out of the pit in bags. When they get down to the gem bearing rock layer, they start a more elaborate variation of digging out, bagging, and transporting the precious ore to be sifted. It's cheaper there to pay people to do this all by hand, rather than use machinery.
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Sorry, should have included the source/photographer in the OP.
You really are bringing down the credibility of this website. You are truly an awful, awful person.

Edited, Sep 20th 2012 1:15pm by Spoonless
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Had to shower nude in group showers afterwards though - not something we civvies are very comfortable with. Fortunately there was only myself and one other woman in the group.


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No shorts. There was a very strict decon procedure - it was like 32 steps - that ended with your respirator - it was the last thing off. Then you stepped into the shower. We had to even wear underclothes provided to us. They take this sarin gas stuff pretty seriously.
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Yes, from an artistic standpoint the surreal white inanimate smoke contrasting with the dark glistening skin and black fabrics of the animate person is pleasing to look at.

But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.
Beauty doesn't have to mean positive emotions though.
Yeah, well no. Beauty is a purely subjective. Regardless, what we hold to be beautiful is what brings us pleasure to look at.


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Yeah, well no. Beauty is a purely subjective. Regardless, what we hold to be beautiful is what brings us pleasure to look at.

But we can also get pleasure from sad things. Movies, music, etc. I've found pieces of prose beautiful both in form and in the dexterity with which they articulate an emotion or situation, despite the fucking depressing subject matter they are sometimes about (thinking of some Vonnegut examples).
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Yeah, I think something is perceived beautiful when it makes us feel in a deep and unique way.

The advertisement buzzword idea of "beauty" just being something pretty to look at is just a shallow consumerist notion.
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Elinda wrote:
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Yes, from an artistic standpoint the surreal white inanimate smoke contrasting with the dark glistening skin and black fabrics of the animate person is pleasing to look at.

But I can't get past the context enough to summon up any positive emotions while looking at this photo.
Beauty doesn't have to mean positive emotions though.
Yeah, well no. Beauty is a purely subjective. Regardless, what we hold to be beautiful is what brings us pleasure to look at.
I consider a lot of James Nachtwey's photos to be beautiful, they also make me feel uncomfortable and they just about guarantee nightmares for a few weeks if you look at too many.
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The best part about CS training is the shower afterwards.
You kids to day have it so easy.Smiley: mad

We had to enter the gas chamber masked, hang around in the gas for a bit (gettin itchy nao), remove the masks (eyes stingin nao), wait 1 full minute then exit the chamber (chokin an gaspin an cryin nao). Then we got to wear our BDU's for the rest of the day (smellin funky nao).

Out of 50 guys 3 puked and 1 passed out. I was, of course, fine cryin' like a little girl with a skinned knee and sh*t.
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You kids to day have it so easy.Smiley: mad
It's funny because we did the same thing you described as well. We just showered at the end of the day.
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The best part about CS training is the shower afterwards.
You kids to day have it so easy.Smiley: mad
It's funny because we did the same thing you described as well. We just showered at the end of the day.
On a completely unrelated note, we could drink coffee, smoke cigs and (gasp!) drink beer in the Batallion PX in BT. I guess we did have it better.Smiley: laugh
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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The best part about CS training is the shower afterwards.
You kids to day have it so easy.Smiley: mad
It's funny because we did the same thing you described as well. We just showered at the end of the day.
On a completely unrelated note, we could drink coffee, smoke cigs and (gasp!) drink beer in the Batallion PX in BT. I guess we did have it better.Smiley: laugh
Yeah, well we got ... um ... what did we get ... yeah, well, your face.

We got a good meal where we could eat and drink whatever we wanted when we graduated basic and SOI (school of infantry). It was great. It was also a trap. A very cruel, cruel trap. I remember crying.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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The best part about CS training is the shower afterwards.
You kids to day have it so easy.Smiley: mad
It's funny because we did the same thing you described as well. We just showered at the end of the day.
On a completely unrelated note, we could drink coffee, smoke cigs and (gasp!) drink beer in the Batallion PX in BT. I guess we did have it better.Smiley: laugh


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