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#52 Sep 14 2012 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Turns out the obama administration knew about the attack a week in advance and did nothing

Is anyone surprised to hear this and what's more does anyone disbelieve it?

Makes sense to me. I bet they also knew how badly Romney would fuck up the response and decided to just ride it out for those sweet, sweet polling points!
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
Turns out the obama administration knew about the attack a week in advance and did nothing

Is anyone surprised to hear this and what's more does anyone disbelieve it?


Sure they knew the same way the Bush White House new months in advance about 9/11. Then again the Bush White House actually had credible evidence from several different nations, heck they even knew how the attacks were going to take place. This administration has received countless threats every year on 9/11, just like Bush did post 9/11, you can't track them all.

On the bright side, it is nice to see the overwhelming sympathy displayed by the people of Libya. Protesters turned to mourners. The government is actively arresting people, and the best part, the US Gov didn't have to send any more young men and women into harms way. Its almost like diplomacy has worked or something.
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Well, we've sent in Marines for extra security and to 'help' with the capture of those responsible (I use quotes because I assume they'll be taking the active lead). Plus moving a couple warships off the coast.
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Well, we've sent in Marines for extra security and to 'help' with the capture of those responsible (I use quotes because I assume they'll be taking the active lead). Plus moving a couple warships off the coast.


Oh I must have missed that update...spending to much time reading about dogs who sit on their masters graves I guess.
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#58 Sep 14 2012 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like the two attacks were somewhat unrelated in leadership. The Libya attack was done by ex gaddafi regime militants, whereas the Egypt mob was rabble roused by the video. The vid was made by a coptic Christian group in the us, and blamed on Israeli, in order to destabilize eqyptian politics (which has a large Coptic minority.) the US actually has a reasonably good relationship with Egypt, which lends the regime power(and thusly removes power from the Coptic factions).

With this context, things are a lot more straightforward.

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Looks like the two attacks were somewhat unrelated in leadership.


Please, it's transparently a Syrian operation to busy the US with other things while they consolidate power and end their uprising. The option to use force overtly in support of the rebels in Syria has now been removed. Assad isn't Qaddafi or Mubarak. He's the real thing.
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It's always been the case that these tin-pots stick around as long as they make it less annoying to keep them in power.
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Rdmcandie, Though you may have only known Sean Smith through the internet game EVE, you knew him as a friend and it's only human to morn the lost of someone that gave meaning to your life. Let yourself grieve for him, give yourself time to heal and some day you'll look back and be able to say proudly that you had to chance to get to know VileRat, a true Friend and American Hero.
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VileRat, a true Friend and American Hero.
People that go to work, day in and day out, in spite of knowing they can die at any second, are heroes. Showing up to work and dying is unfortunate, even a tragedy, but in no way is it heroic.
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ElneClare wrote:
VileRat, a true Friend and American Hero.
People that go to work, day in and day out, in spite of knowing they can die at any second, are heroes. Showing up to work and dying is unfortunate, even a tragedy, but in no way is it heroic.


I dare say it seems like he was doing just that. His corp-mates reported that he would frequently have to leave chat because of nearby gunfire and other such incidents of violence. Serving in the consulate of an unstable and relatively hostile region is a dangerous job, and I think there's something fairly heroic about undertaking it.
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And I'd argue that it was the gate guards and such that had to actually deal with gunfire and incidents of violence and that when anything resembling danger showed up he was escorted away from it.
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And I'd argue that it was the gate guards and such that had to actually deal with gunfire and incidents of violence and that when anything resembling danger showed up he was escorted away from it.


That's true.

Well, except for that time when he got killed.
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And I'd argue that it was the gate guards and such that had to actually deal with gunfire and incidents of violence and that when anything resembling danger showed up he was escorted away from it.

This. Being a diplomat is often even less dangerous than an ordinary citizen.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Well, except for that time when he got killed.
Which is unfortunate, but not heroic.
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Look. I know you're annoyed, and I get it. But the Admins had very little to do with that particular decision.
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#69 Sep 14 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Well, except for that time when he got killed.
Which is unfortunate, but not heroic.


The act of working amidst the dangers being heroic, not the act of being killed.
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#70 Sep 14 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Don't confuse heroism with courage. I respect Vile Rat and his commitment to his work, I will miss shooting things with him, and shooting him in the online gaming world. But I don't think he was heroic, courageous, of course, it takes a lot of balls to work in the environments he did.

Hero is a word that gets thrown around a lot these days, it has lost a lot of meaning. But its meaning is different to everyone so I can't judge. All I know is a piece of my gaming community is gone, and it sucks.
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#71 Sep 14 2012 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't confuse heroism with courage. I respect Vile Rat and his commitment to his work, I will miss shooting things with him, and shooting him in the online gaming world. But I don't think he was heroic, courageous, of course, it takes a lot of balls to work in the environments he did.

Hero is a word that gets thrown around a lot these days, it has lost a lot of meaning. But its meaning is different to everyone so I can't judge. All I know is a piece of my gaming community is gone, and it sucks.


As I see it, heroism and courage are generally synonymous, with heroism skewing more towards "bravery done for others' benefit". I think consulate work falls under that well enough for me.

I mean, there's a gradient here. But I do think that it's heroic, on some level.
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#72 Sep 14 2012 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Look. I know you're annoyed, and I get it. But the Admins had very little to do with that particular decision.

Substitute "Powers That Be" if you prefer. This place has changed hands too many times to keep up with who exactly is cramming the ads in. Who is collecting the top level paychecks these days, anyway?
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Look. I know you're annoyed, and I get it. But the Admins had very little to do with that particular decision.


No kidding. I'm pretty sure this was obvious. No one thinks the hall monitors are setting school board policy, either.

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Mainly I was just too lazy to bother contacting an admin about Tricky's post and giving a flip answer.
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NSFW Onion article.
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That is a highly disturbing image... yet strangely arousing...

Edit - Grammar is hard.

Edited, Sep 14th 2012 6:01pm by Criminy
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lolgaxe wrote:
And I'd argue that it was the gate guards and such that had to actually deal with gunfire and incidents of violence and that when anything resembling danger showed up he was escorted away from it.

This. Being a diplomat is often even less dangerous than an ordinary citizen.

The Canadian diplomat, yeah...
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All of these attacks on American embassies are beginning to tickle my latent "bomb them all to hell" instinct.

That, or heartburn.
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Man, now they're attacking British emabssies, and we don't have a single battleship!

I just don't know how to respond.
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Build battleships.
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Was the story before or after the Page Three girl?
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Was the story before or after the Page Three girl?


During.

We were also treated to Clarissa's (21, 38-DD, Hastings) opinions on golf, taxes and string theory.
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Say what you like but there's not a person here whwho thinks obama will use force against these radicals.
Says the guy who wouldn't be involved with that force anyway. Rock on, Call of Duty warrior. Rock on.
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Why aren't you over there @#%^?
Deployments are on three~four year cycles and I just got back from Afghanistan two years ago. What's your excuse?

Edited, Sep 14th 2012 10:43pm by lolgaxe
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I was certain before, but now I'm not so sure. Varus isn't usually quite that aggressive...he usually tries to deflect by citing his **** car, or his ability to stalk college girls.
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#88 Sep 14 2012 at 8:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Plus, the quoting style is totally wrong.



Cute nickname,

Quote:
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Why don't you just keep drinking the kool aid etc
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Plus, I think Varus knows that lolgaxe has actually actively served.
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Easy to make mistake though. Not like there's much depth. Ankle socks, if you will.
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I pay people that cant do anything else to do it for me
We already established you're a pussy, I was asking why are you a pussy.
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Plus, the quoting style is totally wrong.



Cute nickname,

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Why don't you just keep drinking the kool aid etc


True, true. Let's analyze further, for teh lulz.

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Why aren't you over there @#%^?
Deployments are on three~four year cycles and I just got back from Afghanistan two years ago. What's your excuse?

Edited, Sep 14th 2012 10:43pm by lolgaxe



I pay people that cant do anything else to do it for me. If a few of you have to die for my right to burn the koran **** off a billion muslims so be it. After all you must preserve my right to express myself.


Now, the first sentence is vintage varus. All hubris, but exaggerated just enough that you suspect that even he doesn't believe what he's saying.

The second sentence brings us further away, however, making it crystal clear that the sock is being ironic. The third sentence drives the nail into the varus-theory's coffin, being painfully ironic, and of a different manner of speaking. Varus certainly wouldn't use the phrase "express myself" for fear that it made him sound like the gheys.

No, y'all are definitely correct. 'Tis the sock of another, verily.

Edited, Sep 14th 2012 11:26pm by Eske
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I read a report on my phone that German Embassy in Sudan was in flames this afternoon as well. With a similar aftermath of Libya where the non militant muslims turned from protest to anti-protest protest. I hope the media begins showing more examples of the true muslims reactions to the incidents. But I doubt they will hate is a powerful tool and nets more ratings than your typical peaceful alternatives.

http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

You don't see these images in newspapers or on the major media networks. These are the real Muslims, the ones who wish to be our friends and live peacefully in a world of shared prosperity.

Sadly the extremist Muslims have bastardized there religion, and their image. I feel sorry for them, it is sad when the deeds of the few gloss over the beliefs of many. Its even more sad that in the quest for ratings and money our media ignores them as well.

Edited, Sep 14th 2012 11:31pm by rdmcandie
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Man, now they're attacking British emabssies, and we don't have a single battleship!

I just don't know how to respond.

Last time I checked we still had Trident armed submarines. We should park them in the Gulf.

Actually don't we have 20 or so destroyers & frigates?

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crazylegz1975 wrote:
What you should be asking yourself is why you have this obvious fear of @#%^.
That won't answer why you're a pussy.
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Still notice you havent gone out of your way to defend obama.
You've gone quite out of your way to not explain why you're a pussy.
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