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#1 Sep 06 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was this still national news? I know it was when his 4th wife, Stacy Peterson went missing.

Anyway, Drew Peterson was found guilty of murdering his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio. Her death was originally ruled accidental but the Stacy Peterson case cast new questions, Kathleen Savio was exhumed and charges eventually pressed. The big thing was that the prosecution never had any hard evidence -- it was all circumstantial and hear-say. That and the prosecution was continually doing stupid things like entering evidence or soliciting testimony that the judge had already ruled inadmissible. Certain to be appealed and we'll see where it goes from there.

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 3:20pm by Jophiel
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#2 Sep 06 2012 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I wonder about the conviction (not that I have any insight into what evidence was actually presented). Contrary to what many believe, hearsay is not automatically inadmissible - as we saw in this case the judge has a lot of leeway on what to allow and what to exclude. But it's rare enough to get a murder conviction with primarily circumstantial evidence. From the coverage I did see it seemed they had next to no hard evidence at all.
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#3 Sep 06 2012 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Who cares about evidence, he was the villain, he obviously did it. Haven't you ever watched Law and Order?

Probably survives appeal, lack of evidence is rarely grounds to overturn a conviction.
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Oh, I'm pretty sure he's guilty. I'm just not sure the evidence was there to support a conviction. "Creepy guy who keeps losing women under mysterious circumstances and looks like the Cowardly Lion" isn't on the books, as far as I know.

But, again, I only know what I've read, which has been pretty long on sensation and short on fact.
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I'm just not sure the evidence was there to support a conviction

I get it. My point was that once you indict someone, it's the jury's job to decide if there's enough evidence to support a conviction. The threshold is extremely low, and almost never successfully challenged. There might be other issues, I'm really not that familiar with the case.

Have you read "The Leftovers"?
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No, but I will.

Which one are you talking about? The Perrotta novel?

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There have been recent news stories about how prosecutors are fed up with new standards of "evidence" because CSI, et.al. have juries believing there must be indisputable blood and fiber evidence that almost never exists in real life.

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Which one are you talking about? The Perrotta novel?


Yes. Just finished it and thought "that seems like something Samira would read". Now I've acted upon that thought, and am free of any existential angst or wondering. Also allows Nexa and I to update your dossier.
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There have been recent news stories about how prosecutors are fed up with new standards of "evidence" because CSI, et.al. have juries believing there must be indisputable blood and fiber evidence that almost never exists in real life.




If I were a prosecutor I would so introduce carpet fibers into every case, regardless.

"So what if he was 300 miles away at the time? Look! CARPET FIBERS!"

Wonder how often that would work.

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He really should have left at least that last body somewhere it would have eventually been found. Then the whole "do you think a cop would have been dumb enough to leave an obvious murdered body where someone could find it? really?" defence would have impregnable.
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There have been recent news stories about how prosecutors are fed up with new standards of "evidence" because CSI, et.al. have juries believing there must be indisputable blood and fiber evidence that almost never exists in real life.



Mmm. I served on a jury recently, and during the selection process, one of the questions most often repeated was "You stated that you watch shows like Law & Order and CSI...tell me, would you expect the court process to mirror what you've seen in those shows?"
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I actually got called for jury duty next month, although I don't think I'll make it far past the selection process (I don't think pot should be illegal, I think the drinking age should be 15, I read WAY too much local news, I live next to the mother in law of the chief of traffic enforcement and hear a lot of gossip, work tangentically with the office of the last major murder in town, and oh yeah my mother was brutally murdered in 2004.) Oddly enough, though, I haven't seriously watched a cop show of any sort since Night Court when I was a little kid.
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I'm just not sure the evidence was there to support a conviction. "Creepy guy who keeps losing women under mysterious circumstances and looks like the Cowardly Lion" isn't on the books, as far as I know.
I think the most important question to ask is if anyone checked between the couch cushions.
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trickybeck wrote:

There have been recent news stories about how prosecutors are fed up with new standards of "evidence" because CSI, et.al. have juries believing there must be indisputable blood and fiber evidence that almost never exists in real life.



Mmm. I served on a jury recently, and during the selection process, one of the questions most often repeated was "You stated that you watch shows like Law & Order and CSI...tell me, would you expect the court process to mirror what you've seen in those shows?"


I can't even begin to state how freaking irritating that is. It's not only criminal matters, but also civil matters, where this happens. During voir dire, at least half of the jury panel seems to act like they are some kind of expert. There generally is never an "Ah ha!" moment during any trial. I've noticed that jurors typically pay attention for the first hour or 2 waiting for that moment and then get bored and think that the system overall sucks. /jobrantoff
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I think the thing that annoys people in jury duty is the whole "we didn't do the forensics because they are expensive and we didn't think it was worth it in this case" aspect of the whole thing. I was somewaht suprised after the whole daylight break in to my appartment thing that they didn't at least send someone over to fingerprint the doorknobs to prove he was in the appartment when I said he was. I mean, i had his drivers license which I took from him when the confrontation ensued, and there was the second temporary license they later found in the bushes that he apperently tried to get rid of so he wouldn't have it on him when the cops caught him. but other than that and my word, there wasn't really any proof that he had been inside, and it would have been really easy to aquire. In the end it didn't matter because he pled guilty to "attempted breaking and entering" and got 3 years. Apperently the judge gets annoyed with you if you miss your trial start date because you were arrested for breaking into another building in a different state and are in jail at the time. So the case involving my appartment never actually went to the part of the trial where I got to see anythign interesting. but I always wondered if that was going to be the angle the defense was going to take.
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In the end it didn't matter because he pled guilty


Everyone pleads guilty, that's what the justice system is designed around. Cases that actually make it to trial are bizarre aberrations that waste everyone's time. Hence the lack of giving a **** among law enforcement types. Any evidence beyond what's cursorily required to solicit a plea is just more work for nothing.
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#21 Sep 08 2012 at 11:08 PM Rating: Excellent
My old roommate's last name was Peterson & he had a dog named Lacey. They came for a visit & took the dog for a walk to a nearby park. The dog misbehaved & his Mom yelled, "Lacey Peterson!" in an effort to scold the dog into behaving. They received audible gasps from the other dog walkers in response.

My roommate responded to these gasps with, "Too soon?"

Yes I know Scott Peterson killed Laci, not Drew Peterson. I care not.
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