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#27 Sep 06 2012 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Or sh*t on it or whatever saves the world the exquisite torture of you posting about economics.
Someone has to make the tough choices.
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#28 Sep 06 2012 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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"Exquisite torture" is a delightful phrase.

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#29 Sep 06 2012 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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"Exquisite torture" is a delightful phrase.


Not one I'd apply to reading a gbaji post, though. 'Chore' or 'slog' would be more appropriate.
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#30 Sep 06 2012 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Sure. But neither party is talking about changing tax rates for the "middle class", so I'm not sure how the Dems justify their position.


I thought the Republicans wanted to do away with 1/2 the country not paying Federal Income tax? Or is that not a thing anymore? Because that would raise my tax rate and I'm in the middle 20%...

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What programs though? What programs help the middle class? I guess where I'm going with this is that the programs that Dems actually create are aimed at helping people who are economically below the middle class. To the degree that trickle down affects the middle class, the result hurts them, but doesn't help them.


Beats me, I haven't been paying too much attention as of late. Was more referring to stereotypical differences I've noticed over the last several years. Though If you'd like to burn something else I can build another strawman for you, it was kinda fun. Smiley: wink

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Even if only some function of their boss's money helps their own financial outlook, they're better off if the government doesn't step in, right?


It probably doesn't do me any good to try and point out exceptions here. Largely though, sure, if a market is operating in a healthy manner, it nice if the government minds it's own business.

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Do they think that people in the middle class just can't figure it out or something?


Honestly I think both sides are betting on the middle class not realizing or caring what they are up to.

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#31 Sep 06 2012 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe later you'll tell me that, as a Catholic


To be fair, there's a term for Catholics like you guys who ignore basically all doctrine and hierarchy: Episcopalian
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Honestly I think both sides are betting on the middle class not realizing or caring what they are up to.


Obviously. People in the middle class are morons by definition or they'd have figured out a way to make more money.
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Maybe later you'll tell me that, as a Catholic

To be fair, there's a term for Catholics like you guys who ignore basically all doctrine and hierarchy: Episcopalian

Pfffttt.... they should make up a term for the ones who get worked up about doctrine and let us in the majority keep "Catholic" Smiley: grin
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#34 Sep 06 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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#35 Sep 06 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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People in the middle class are morons by definition or they'd have figured out a way to make more money.


Why?

If you're happy with your current situation, and I like to think most middle class people are, why would you work harder than you need to to provide the things that make you happy? I COULD work three jobs, save for a year and use the money as seed money to start a business making more money, but that's a lot of work that ultimately gains me nothing I need and takes me away from the things I enjoy (family etc).

Not to say there aren't morons in the middle class just saying money isn't the only consideration for your average family. I choose to make less money so I can spend more time at home without having to uproot my family. I'm capable of making more money, I'd like to have more money, but I'd be an idiot to choose the path that gets me there not the other way around.

Middle class is comfortable and fulfilling.

(whooooosh and such but I think it's a valid point to expand on)
#36 Sep 06 2012 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Middle class is comfortable and fulfilling.



So is meat loaf.
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#37 Sep 06 2012 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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It's precisely that lack of creativity that's holding you back.

There are a lot of less horrible ways of making more money.
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I choose to make less money so I can spend more time at home without having to uproot my family. I'm capable of making more money, I'd like to have more money, but I'd be an idiot to choose the path that gets me there not the other way around.


Do both, idiot. This idea that it's a given that you have to choose money or family is exactly the type of moron thinking I'm referring to. Make more money and work less, stupid.
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#39 Sep 06 2012 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:


Middle class is comfortable and fulfilling.



So is meat loaf.


Why must we talk about these things before lunch? I'm extra hungry now. Smiley: frown

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Smasharoo wrote:

I choose to make less money so I can spend more time at home without having to uproot my family. I'm capable of making more money, I'd like to have more money, but I'd be an idiot to choose the path that gets me there not the other way around.


Do both, idiot. This idea that it's a given that you have to choose money or family is exactly the type of moron thinking I'm referring to. Make more money and work less, stupid.


Except it's not stupid. I enjoy coming home and feeling like I've done a good days work for fair pay. I enjoy being middle class. I enjoy being an average Joe. Why should I change that?
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With a nice hardwood floor...
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#42 Sep 06 2012 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
So is meat loaf.


Middle class people eat meat loaf :).
#43 Sep 06 2012 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm just an average Joe
With an average job
I'm your average white
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I like football, porno
Books about war
I've got an average house
With a nice hardwood floor...


/sigh, my hardwood floor isn't very nice..
#44 Sep 06 2012 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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It feels even better to do a good days work and recieve extortionate pay. Or do very little and recieve a sizable income. Just putting that out there.
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Except it's not stupid. I enjoy coming home and feeling like I've done a good days work for fair pay. I enjoy being middle class. I enjoy being an average Joe. Why should I change that?

Why should you work less and make more money? So you can spend more time with your family. So you can provide for them. So you can do things you enjoy in place of work. Why do you hate your family? Play a middle class guy in a Sam Shepherd play or something if you enjoy it so much. Then go spend your fat stacks of cash with your family on Fisher Island.

The whole "working class hero" thing is carefully crafted by people with money to offer you pride in your inadequacy so they don't have to waste money having their hired thugs prevent you from throwing rocks at them or the like. This is America, dummy, and to quote David Mamet, making money is how we measure a person's worth. "This is how we keep score..bubbie"
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#46 Sep 06 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Why should you work less and make more money? So you can spend more time with your family.

Maybe I'm using my job as a plausible excuse to spend less time with my family, smart guy. Didja ever stop to think about that? Smiley: mad


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#48 Sep 06 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:
This is America, dummy, and to quote David Mamet, making money is how we measure a person's worth. "This is how we keep score..bubbie"


Do we include the value of our benefits package in that? Or just gross income after taxes?
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#49 Sep 06 2012 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Nah, I don't buy it.

Lots of people enjoy going to work for their 8-10 hours even if they don't love their job. Most people gain a certain something by not having stacks of cash, something the rich tend to be missing (always exceptions).

Perhaps there's a level of intellectual laziness involved but if people are happy working their 9-5 for average pay then that's the way they should live and I think a lot more people than you realize are quite happy living as middle class families.

Life isn't about money, money is a tool, it's a means to an end, if you've already found your end then all you need is maintenance cash.
#50 Sep 06 2012 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Nah, I don't buy it.

Lots of people enjoy going to work for their 8-10 hours even if they don't love their job. Most people gain a certain something by not having stacks of cash, something the rich tend to be missing (always exceptions).

Perhaps there's a level of intellectual laziness involved but if people are happy working their 9-5 for average pay then that's the way they should live and I think a lot more people than you realize are quite happy living as middle class families.

Life isn't about money, money is a tool, it's a means to an end, if you've already found your end then all you need is maintenance cash.

Even when I liked my job I didn't usually want to come to work. It's not that it's more or less enjoyable than what I might be doing while not working. It just takes all the fun out of work when others insist you attend the 8-5 workday.

What if I'd rather wash my hair at 10am?

That said, I'm sort of on maintenance mode at this point. At my age I've given up on being president or queen. I no longer dream of mapping the rock formations of the world's highest and most remote peaks. I don't feel like running a marathon anymore so no need to keep up on that.

I would still like to go to space. Money could actually make that possible in the near future.....send me money plz

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Perhaps there's a level of intellectual laziness involved but if people are happy working their 9-5 for average pay then that's the way they should live and I think a lot more people than you realize are quite happy living as middle class families.

Life isn't about money, money is a tool, it's a means to an end, if you've already found your end then all you need is maintenance cash.


You know who thinks that way? People without money.
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