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#1 Sep 04 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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So we’ve given a lot of thought to this matter, but as of today we’re officially beginning an interesting experiment with our kids. My oldest is still young, still 3 years of age, and has a lot of anxiety about starting school. Too much in fact. Not surprising given her age, but given she did relatively well last year, we weren’t expecting this.

In addition, we’re starting to get fed up looking at the public school systems in the area. While our local school district is doing well by our standards, we’ve had to face the fact we won’t be able to afford a house in the district anytime in the near future. So we have to decide, stay and rent, or move out of district. The other school districts in the area frankly scare us. Cuts have been happening left and right. Fewer teachers and more students, extra charges for just about every special program, and the trend seems to be getting worse. 35 kids in a kindergarten class? Seriously?! How do they even learn anything?

Low standards don’t seem to impress us either. I mean, our daughter already has 90% of what’s on their ‘must know by kindergarten list’ and I have high hopes for her ability to dress herself, given her interest in playing dress-up and everything. Private schooling is an option, but boy is it expensive. So the wife got to thinking “you know I can’t believe we can’t do better than this” and “I could do so much more for her with that money.”

She started researching, getting books from the library, finding websites, local support groups and so on. Now its official, we’re going to try and home-school our daughter. I don’t know how long it’ll last, or if we’ll be able to do it or not, but we’ve decided homeschooling sounds like the best option for our family. Maybe we’ll be singing a different tune in a couple of months, but hey we’re trying it.

So home-schooling...
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I'm nuts:1 (5.6%)
Peanuts:5 (27.8%)
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So does anyone else here home school? Know anyone who does? Thoughts and opinions on it?

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#2 Sep 04 2012 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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My spawn absolutely adores preschool, to the point it's tough to get her to leave without carrying her away, whining. Similarly, we're going to be avoiding the whole public school scene, so if I were in your position I'd go with the home-schooling thing.
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#3 Sep 04 2012 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
Check to see if the other school districts have the following:

- Full immersion of all students at all levels, or separation of the smarter kids from the ones struggling
- Gifted programs if they don't do immersion

I went to public schools from day one, but I was separated out into advanced everything, and then plopped into the gifted program so I wouldn't get too bored. (And even then, my 8th grade lit/reading teacher gave up and sent me to the library once a week to write.)

If any of the school districts have those features, then the public schools may not be so bad for your daughter. 90% of bad school problems are caused by unmotivated parents, not by the school system or the teachers themselves.

However, if the school systems don't offer separation of slow learners and faster learners, then yeah, home schooling may not be a bad idea.
#4 Sep 04 2012 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see anything inherently wrong with the idea of home schooling. I guess you'd just have to make sure there are other avenues for the kid to get the social experience.
#5 Sep 04 2012 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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What Eske said. While I could never home school, I understand why some parents want to go that route. But make sure your kid gets time with other kids. All kids have to learn the heartbreak of having their toys snatched out of their hands by other kids, or getting knocked off the swings or having their lunch money stolen.

Oh, and there's some positives too. I think.
#6 Sep 04 2012 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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I have some experience with homeschooling. One of my aunts home-schooled her children through high school, and one of my closest friends was home-schooled along with his brother and sister up till about the 7th grade.

They represent different ends of the spectrum. My friend is a smart person, got a scholarship, graduated college. He's still looking for employment, but his chosen major unfortunately is not so in demand. Socially, he's slightly introverted as most of my friends are. My cousins, except for one, are somewhat behind academically. I think my aunt didn't do a very good job honestly, and I've tutored one of them before to help out. Socially they're very well adjusted, very-extroverted, and have a large number of friends. So my experiences are that results vary greatly.

Edited, Sep 4th 2012 1:46pm by Allegory
#7 Sep 04 2012 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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catwho wrote:
If any of the school districts have those features, then the public schools may not be so bad for your daughter. 90% of bad school problems are caused by unmotivated parents, not by the school system or the teachers themselves.

However, if the school systems don't offer separation of slow learners and faster learners, then yeah, home schooling may not be a bad idea.


The short answer is "it depends." Some are more of a lottery based system, others have been cut altogether. Sometimes there are additional fees. Some districts have them, others don't, others offer only some classes. Probably the best part is that this that homeschooling means we don't to worry about these programs, whether they exist, and how stable their support is in the local population.

Eske Esquire wrote:
I don't see anything inherently wrong with the idea of home schooling. I guess you'd just have to make sure there are other avenues for the kid to get the social experience.


Things we're looking at include: sports, other activities/classes at museums, etc. Also, there a couple of local groups who seem to plan some 'field trips' and other activities. We'd be looking into that as well. Some of the reading we've done seems to hint this problem is more of an 'old wife's tale' than a strong trend.

Edited, Sep 4th 2012 12:02pm by someproteinguy
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#8 Sep 04 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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I know our local Science Center has all sorts of different weekly classes usually run by teachers that are on-sight learning stuff, for kids of all ages. Some are free, some are pay. I'd see what the museums have in your area for kids.

Good luck, I'm sure it's a challenge, but it's the only way you can control the feedback your child gets. I fully intend to homeschool my children someday.

Also, I was hearing some about this the other day, and it looks revolutionary.
#9 Sep 04 2012 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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Guenny wrote:


Good luck, I'm sure it's a challenge, but it's the only way you can control the feedback your child gets.

What do you mean?

Protein wrote:

In addition, we’re starting to get fed up looking at the public school systems in the area. While our local school district is doing well by our standards, we’ve had to face the fact we won’t be able to afford a house in the district anytime in the near future.

we rented for years so we could live in the town we did - for the schools. But the community over-all was pretty nice for kids too. I was happy enough with the results I guess.

I taught both my kids to read before they started school, that was a breeze. But they were little then and just happy to suck up books I'd stick under their noses. Later, middle-school on up, I had a hard time instructing them even with homework - especially in my strong subjects. I was their nurturer, not their mentor or something. More power to you if you can provide a custom-fit education to your daughter, but don't hesitate to get tutors or other outside help if necessary. None of us can do everything.

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#10 Sep 04 2012 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Guenny wrote:


Good luck, I'm sure it's a challenge, but it's the only way you can control the feedback your child gets.

What do you mean?


Not a whole lot. It was a thoughtless sentence that I erased half of before I sent it. I was going to elaborate about how having your child out of the house for 8 hours a day is 8 hours (the majority) of the day without your input or feedback on all sorts of stimuli, feedback and input they receive from 1 or 2 teachers and several other children, and those children's parents' conditioning. I dunno, it's too complex and elaborate to debate about for me at the moment, and being childless something I haven't actually given too much consideration to, other than knowing that I'd prefer to not send my children to public school.
#11 Sep 04 2012 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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35 kids in a kindergarten class? Seriously?! How do they even learn anything?

It's been quite a few years since I've been in kindergarten, but there really isn't a whole lot to learn at that level. Mostly finger painting and paste eating.
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#12 Sep 04 2012 at 4:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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#13 Sep 04 2012 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I couldn't imagine not sending my kids to school. There's just no way any one person can know enough about a breadth of subjects to effectively teach their children. The idea is for your children to be better than you, why limit them to your personal knowledge and skills?

Of course, I'm Canadian, just about everyone goes to public school here and standards are pretty good.
#14 Sep 04 2012 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Things we're looking at include: sports, other activities/classes at museums, etc. Also, there a couple of local groups who seem to plan some 'field trips' and other activities. We'd be looking into that as well. Some of the reading we've done seems to hint this problem is more of an 'old wife's tale' than a strong trend.


Smartest kids/people I've know were home schooled.
Weirdest kids/people I've know were the same, and had some sort of Social Disorder.

All had a parent who was a teacher, and s/he felt they could teach the child better than the public and private (church schools are the private schools around here) schools could do. Sure they were smart, but they stuck out like a sore thumb in any social even they were allowed to attend.
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#15 Sep 04 2012 at 9:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's just no way any one person can know enough about a breadth of subjects to effectively teach their children.

Through elementary school it largely is one person (per grade) teaching your child. Assuming you take the time to bone up on the next year's study matter, I don't see much difference there.
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#16 Sep 04 2012 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
Considering I got the calculus joke floating around on Facebook the other day, I'm actually confident that I *could* probably teach kids better than most actual school teachers.

Hell, my husband the prof teaches teachers, and I once took one of the quizzes he gives them blind, having never had an education class, and I scored an 80 just from context clues. (The average score in his class was a 50. He has the gatekeeper class for a reason.) Most of teaching is not subject specific - specialists (like science education) is, but much more of it is how to engage kids in the learning process. A teacher's personal knowledge doesn't matter quite as much in school systems, because they all tell you what they want you to teach the kids anyway...

#17 Sep 04 2012 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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So going by the last two comments you guys have some sort of homeschooling package that gives you the materials expected at certain grade levels?
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I'm no home schooling expert but my understanding is that the state gives you curriculum guidelines for the grade and there's multiple outlets/groups to receive study materials and packages from.

Now, once the kid is into middle school and beyond and has multiple specialized instructors I can see more of an argument for traditional education assuming there's no huge problem with the local schools. At that point, the parent is trying to fill the role of 4-6 specialized instructors rather than a single general education instructor.
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
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Things we're looking at include: sports, other activities/classes at museums, etc. Also, there a couple of local groups who seem to plan some 'field trips' and other activities. We'd be looking into that as well. Some of the reading we've done seems to hint this problem is more of an 'old wife's tale' than a strong trend.


Smartest kids/people I've know were home schooled.
Weirdest kids/people I've know were the same, and had some sort of Social Disorder.

All had a parent who was a teacher, and s/he felt they could teach the child better than the public and private (church schools are the private schools around here) schools could do. Sure they were smart, but they stuck out like a sore thumb in any social even they were allowed to attend.


I'm always amused that that the biggest reason people give to not homeschool kids is "they're so weird!" Thing is, they care way less than you do.
#20 Sep 04 2012 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Things we're looking at include: sports, other activities/classes at museums, etc. Also, there a couple of local groups who seem to plan some 'field trips' and other activities. We'd be looking into that as well. Some of the reading we've done seems to hint this problem is more of an 'old wife's tale' than a strong trend.


Smartest kids/people I've know were home schooled.
Weirdest kids/people I've know were the same, and had some sort of Social Disorder.

All had a parent who was a teacher, and s/he felt they could teach the child better than the public and private (church schools are the private schools around here) schools could do. Sure they were smart, but they stuck out like a sore thumb in any social even they were allowed to attend.


I'm always amused that that the biggest reason people give to not homeschool kids is "they're so weird!" Thing is, they care way less than you do.


There's some validity to the claim though. Without additional effort to encourage social activities outside the home, a home schooled child can become socially underdeveloped and find it difficult to "fit in" in certain settings. It's not about popularity so much as it is being able to effectively communicate with others.
#21 Sep 05 2012 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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35 kids in a kindergarten class? Seriously?! How do they even learn anything?

It's been quite a few years since I've been in kindergarten, but there really isn't a whole lot to learn at that level. Mostly finger painting and paste eating.
We were taught to count. I only recall this because one evening I spent my entire night counting to 1397 or something in that area just so I could have the highest score on the counting scoreboard.
#22 Sep 05 2012 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
Without additional effort to encourage social activities outside the home, a home schooled child can become socially underdeveloped and find it difficult to "fit in" in certain settings.

Which is there is a homeschooling infrastructure in place to facilitate that interaction.

As a kid, I played against home-school sports teams and I've been to places like the roller-rink during home-school outings. The community is aware of the need for social interaction, and they deal with it. They aren't idiots.

Edited, Sep 5th 2012 1:23am by Allegory
#23 Sep 05 2012 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck wrote:
Without additional effort to encourage social activities outside the home, a home schooled child can become socially underdeveloped and find it difficult to "fit in" in certain settings.

Which is there is a homeschooling infrastructure in place to facilitate that interaction.

As a kid, I played against home-school sports teams and I've been to places like the roller-rink during home-school outings. The community is aware of the need for social interaction, and they deal with it. They aren't idiots.


Didn't say they were, did I? You might be for assuming otherwise, though.

The point is, you get a certain about of built-in social experience in a public school that you have to go the extra mile for if you home school. Depending on parental availability, this is certainly a valid consideration when deciding whether to home school or not.
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#25 Sep 05 2012 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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I went to public schools from day one, but I was separated out into advanced everything, and then plopped into the gifted program so I wouldn't get too bored. (And even then, my 8th grade lit/reading teacher gave up and sent me to the library once a week to write.)


catwho wrote:
Hell, my husband the prof teaches teachers, and I once took one of the quizzes he gives them blind, having never had an education class, and I scored an 80 just from context clues. (The average score in his class was a 50. He has the gatekeeper class for a reason.)


No need to plaster the walls with your insecurities, dude. Have a little decorum.
#26 Sep 05 2012 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
You'd be insecure too if you just finished three semesters of graduate level programming hell.
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