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#1 Aug 28 2012 at 9:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down.
To his family, friends and those who know the Signing Exact English (S.E.E.) language that the Grand Island, Neb., boy uses, that gesture uniquely means "Hunter Spanjer."
But to Hunter's school district, it might mean something else. The district claims that it violates a rule that forbids anything in the school that looks like a weapon, reports KOLN-TV.


In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.
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(A) I agree with you
(B) I'm trying really hard to visualize how that symbol looks like a weapon. Now, even if his symbol was a tomahawk-chop or something I'd still agree it was asinine but "crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down"?
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I guess if you watch a lot of Bugs Bunny cartoons and believe what he does to Elmer's rifle is reality the sign could look like a gun.
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I'm trying really hard to visualize how that symbol looks like a weapon. Now, even if his symbol was a tomahawk-chop or something I'd still agree it was asinine but "crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down"?


The only thing I can figure is that somebody has watched too many cheesy westerns and mistook it for Doc Holiday holding double six shooters and firing shots into the OK Corral.
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Ok, watching the video, I was visualizing it wrong. I still think it's stupid and looks nothing like a gun, mind you.
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People are fucking stupid. Whoever is enforcing this needs to be fired, extremely quickly.
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I still think it's stupid and looks nothing like a gun, mind you.
If you ignore the crossed fingers and/or maybe saw it from across the room it kind of looks gunnish.

Though yeah, still pretty stupid.
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I'm relatively ignorant of sign language. The extent of my knowledge is being able to sign the alphabet to spell (or watch someone spell) words. The person I learned to understand was so limited that full sign language wasn't a possibility, they could only control one hand.

But, why do they make a flailing hand movement represent this kid's name? Seems like they could do anything, some much simpler signing than crossing your fingers on both hands and acting like you are playing the drums.

Not saying it's right to stop him because of a stupid rule in a school... but it just seems like a pointless gesture that is overly complicated.
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but it just seems like a pointless gesture that is overly complicated.


He's also three **** years old. I'm willing to bet he adapted the gesture on his own naturally based on some variant they taught him and everyone just accepted it as his unique signature.
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Yet what I don't understand is he's doing this to refer to himself. (again, here's the ignorance of the language) Does someone who knows sign language and doesn't know him or his name see that sign and say "oh ya, Hunter Spanjer"?
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No, they said it's a unique symbol. I imagine seeing it for the first time is like hearing an unfamiliar name for the first time.

As noted, the kid is three and it's probably something within his realm of physical motion. As he ages, if he wants to change it, he can. It's not as though it would change his legal name or anything; he'd just start using a new symbol to refer to himself. But that change (if it ever comes) should be his choice.

That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.

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And thus we prove Brownduck wrong.
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That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.


But then it'd be like he's rolling dice and I'm sure there is some anti gambling rule on the books at the school as well. Can't have kindergartener's shooting craps in their free time.
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And thus we prove Brownduck wrong.

Always gotta be some twit who tackles the side story.
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down

Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?

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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down

Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?



You know, I did a double take on that, and just assumed I was misinterpreting something.

I also assumed at the start of reading the story that the boy's gesture would have ended up having a "flipping" of the middle finger that was unacceptable. I didn't guess it'd be because of a perceived gun motion.
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Always gotta be some twit who tackles the side story.
The school is just looking out for the kid. They don't want him out on the street, wanting to approach a cop and try to say his name and end up getting shot due to a misunderstanding.

Aside; Is this a day care program or did I completely miss the memo on minimum age requirements for kindergarten?
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Aside; Is this a day care program or did I completely miss the memo on minimum age requirements for kindergarten?



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Guess following the link and reading the story would have answered that question.
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**** hell Grand Island. I am gone for less than one year and you go all 'derp' and get yourself into the news. Although honestly it doesn't surprise me with the absolute retards there are in the school board. Smiley: oyvey
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That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.


But then it'd be like he's rolling dice and I'm sure there is some anti gambling rule on the books at the school as well. Can't have kindergartener's shooting craps in their free time.
Either that or the next headline will be "Teacher sues five year old for sexual harassment".
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I'm just glad the kid's name was Hunter and not Shooter. He might have grown up to be a real trigger happy douche.

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In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.

Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, really. I know it's outrage **** and everything, but

1: Various hand gestures are disallowed in schools.

2: S.E.E. is a bullsh*t made up sign language no one uses (as opposed to ASL). This being a "registered sign" in S.E.E. is about as useful as thinking your international star registry certificate means you own a solar system. Let's add to that the fact that the kid *is not signing correctly*.

3. Deaf people aren't magical benevolent innocent fairies. Neither are three year olds. There's no context in this story *at all*. Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them. We have no idea. What we do know is that the kid's parents are such ENORMOUS entitled douche-bags that they went to the media rather than ask their son to modify his behavior. That's sh*tty parenting by any measure. The list of available avenues of resolution for their problem is hundreds of items long before you get to "use son for attention whoring media pity play."

4. There is no "enforcement". You assume there must be because you're a fucking gullible sucker. The school district *asked the parents to modify it*. They didn't send the kid home or bar him from attending, or do anything else related to "zero tolerance" policies. How dare a school district work with parents to reach a mutually beneficial outcome!! Those @#%^ers!

'We are working with the parents to come to the best solution we can for the child,' Jack Sheard, Grand Island Public Schools spokesperson, said.

Yet he later claimed the issue was a 'misunderstanding' which had nothing to do with weapons.

It was 'not an appropriate thing to do in school' but Hunter was being asked to spell his name out by letters rather than using the sign, Sheard told the New York Daily News.


QED Fortasse falleris.




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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down.
To his family, friends and those who know the Signing Exact English (S.E.E.) language that the Grand Island, Neb., boy uses, that gesture uniquely means "Hunter Spanjer."
But to Hunter's school district, it might mean something else. The district claims that it violates a rule that forbids anything in the school that looks like a weapon, reports KOLN-TV.


In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.

The male **** organ looks like a weapon.
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Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?
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Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them.
I'm okay with that.
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1: Various hand gestures are disallowed in schools.

Sure. I can't imagine why this needs to be one of them.

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2: S.E.E. is a bullsh*t made up sign language no one uses

No idea if this is true or not and I'm too lazy to play Wiki expert on sign language. It's irrelevant anyway since no one is saying "Stop using that sign because your language is made up bullshit."

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3. [...]Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them. We have no idea.

Or maybe the sign is also a magic talisman that keeps the man-eating ostriches away and now he fears for his life. As long as we're just making stuff up.

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Excellent. No problem means problem solved. Carry on signing, Hunter!
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Or maybe the sign is also a magic talisman that keeps the man-eating ostriches away and now he fears for his life. As long as we're just making stuff up.


Making stuff up like the entire assumed backstory here, that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child? This is a staggering non story. Society isn't required to enable lazy parenting. If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form. Use another sign for school. Problem solved with a barely existing inconvenience for anyone. This isn't "Bobby held a banana like a gun so no more bananas allowed and Bobby's expelled!!" Equivocating it to that is just lazy. There a million other actual outrage-worthy stories that happen every day, the world is full of unfair **** things happening to kids. This is the one you want to defend though? Really?

As for the reasoning they find it offensive, I'd have to guess that the crossed fingers make it look he's flipping off staff and other students. That's a guess, of course, but it follows from the actual news coverage. There's the assumption it looks like a gun, then a statement from the school administration that no, that wasn't the issue. The real question is why it matters. Students have no right to free speech in public schools. Long settled issue. I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.
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Making stuff up like the entire assumed backstory here, that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child?

Maybe. At this point it seems like you're more considerably more outraged at our "outrage" than anyone else here is outraged.
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If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form.
Newsworthy you didn't name your kid FuckypantsGiantcock.
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that a school is applying a poorly thought out draconian policy to an innocent child?


On a global stage, this may be a non-story, but at a local level, it's ridiculous.

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If I name my kid FuckypantsGiantcock, it's not a newsworthy event when they decide not to use his name in that form.


There's a huge difference between you being an inept parent and an idiot school official mistaking a simple sign language gesture for something offensive.

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This isn't "Bobby held a banana like a gun so no more bananas allowed and Bobby's expelled!!" Equivocating it to that is just lazy.


Except that it is, minus the expulsion. Banana, hand gesture, whatever. It's clearly not a weapon and the school district is attempting to eliminate it based on some idiot's claim that it resembles one.

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I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.


It's definitely not what's best for the kid, I agree, but then neither is trying to explain to a 3 year old deaf child that simply signing his name is offensive to some idiot(s) so he must do it differently. This three year old almost certainly doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand the underlying circumstance here, and given the ridiculousness of the claim, dismissing the issue altogether would be in everyone's best interest, but apparently school officials thought otherwise. In that context, I have no problem with them being made fools of on a national stage.
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I'm sure little Hunter can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive fairly trivially, but no, the better option is a national news story, a Facebook protest page, and his parents going on the interview circut. That's definitely what's best for the kid.
What makes you think he can learn a sign for his name that isn't offensive? I bet no one thought his original signed name was offensive until some wing-nut with a title had a revelation.

SEE and ALS are full of gestures that someone somewhere will take offense to.

But I'm sure that headline drawing news story that the school-district initiated is best for all the students of Grand Isle.


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I bet no one thought his original signed name was offensive until some wing-nut with a title had a revelation.


My vote is for an over-concerned parent.

IMO, school district should review it's policy. Hunter is a common enough name and signing it with a gun-like gesture seems pretty logical. This isn't a case you'd plan for ahead of time, but isn't entirely out of left field either. In the mean time, let's get little Hunter a 'cool code name' or something he can use at school as to not offend someone. Smiley: rolleyes
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It's probably not a "weapon" sign: it's probably a gang sign.

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[It's definitely not what's best for the kid, I agree, but then neither is trying to explain to a 3 year old deaf child that simply signing his name is offensive to some idiot(s) so he must do it differently. This three year old almost certainly doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand the underlying circumstance here


I'm not generally a fan of the "you don't have children so you know nothing" argument, but in this case I think you grossly underestimate the cognitive ability of the average 3 year old. It's difficult to imagine having a "special" sign for school would be anything but fun for him. Now sure, it'd be a hardship to have to teach him a made up sign that no one knows, but fortunately for Hunter, the standard in the deaf community is for one's sign name to be given by another person using identifying characteristics. In this case, maybe the sign for father coupled with the sign for douche would be appropriate as all would know Hunter was being referred to. Having a name sign that equates to the phonetic English word for one's name is (I'm not joking or making this up) considered tacky and offensive. Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I understand the idea, I just think being upset/concerned about this is out of scale and trivializes the real idiocy that happens every day to children. There are far better targets than the poor bastards running a public school that provides services to deaf 3 year olds (gratis?)

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If you want to post some real idiocy, I'm sure we could muster up some outrage about that as well. The well runs pretty deep.

This forum could use new-thread incentives.

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looks like the school reversed it's decision:

http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/School-District-Says-Deaf-Student-Not-Required-to-Change-Name-167784235.html

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"The encouragement and support is amazing," Brian Spanjer, Hunter's father, said. "It's been more than I could have asked for and it's been extremely helpful."

But, that's not the case for Grand Island Public Schools.

They said they've been receiving hundreds of angry calls and emails, even death threats.


I wonder if those death threats were really just other deaf people named hunter calling in to support their fellow bretheren.
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Must have been really loud gestures.
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#51 Aug 30 2012 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Death threats?

Seriously, people, calm the fuck down. Go **** on internet message boards like normal, sane people do.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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