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#1 Aug 28 2012 at 9:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down.
To his family, friends and those who know the Signing Exact English (S.E.E.) language that the Grand Island, Neb., boy uses, that gesture uniquely means "Hunter Spanjer."
But to Hunter's school district, it might mean something else. The district claims that it violates a rule that forbids anything in the school that looks like a weapon, reports KOLN-TV.


In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.
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#2 Aug 28 2012 at 9:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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(A) I agree with you
(B) I'm trying really hard to visualize how that symbol looks like a weapon. Now, even if his symbol was a tomahawk-chop or something I'd still agree it was asinine but "crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down"?
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#3 Aug 28 2012 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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I guess if you watch a lot of Bugs Bunny cartoons and believe what he does to Elmer's rifle is reality the sign could look like a gun.
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I'm trying really hard to visualize how that symbol looks like a weapon. Now, even if his symbol was a tomahawk-chop or something I'd still agree it was asinine but "crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down"?


The only thing I can figure is that somebody has watched too many cheesy westerns and mistook it for Doc Holiday holding double six shooters and firing shots into the OK Corral.
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Ok, watching the video, I was visualizing it wrong. I still think it's stupid and looks nothing like a gun, mind you.
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People are fucking stupid. Whoever is enforcing this needs to be fired, extremely quickly.
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#7 Aug 28 2012 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still think it's stupid and looks nothing like a gun, mind you.
If you ignore the crossed fingers and/or maybe saw it from across the room it kind of looks gunnish.

Though yeah, still pretty stupid.
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I'm relatively ignorant of sign language. The extent of my knowledge is being able to sign the alphabet to spell (or watch someone spell) words. The person I learned to understand was so limited that full sign language wasn't a possibility, they could only control one hand.

But, why do they make a flailing hand movement represent this kid's name? Seems like they could do anything, some much simpler signing than crossing your fingers on both hands and acting like you are playing the drums.

Not saying it's right to stop him because of a stupid rule in a school... but it just seems like a pointless gesture that is overly complicated.
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but it just seems like a pointless gesture that is overly complicated.


He's also three ******* years old. I'm willing to bet he adapted the gesture on his own naturally based on some variant they taught him and everyone just accepted it as his unique signature.
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Yet what I don't understand is he's doing this to refer to himself. (again, here's the ignorance of the language) Does someone who knows sign language and doesn't know him or his name see that sign and say "oh ya, Hunter Spanjer"?
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No, they said it's a unique symbol. I imagine seeing it for the first time is like hearing an unfamiliar name for the first time.

As noted, the kid is three and it's probably something within his realm of physical motion. As he ages, if he wants to change it, he can. It's not as though it would change his legal name or anything; he'd just start using a new symbol to refer to himself. But that change (if it ever comes) should be his choice.

That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.

Edited, Aug 28th 2012 10:54pm by Jophiel
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And thus we prove Brownduck wrong.
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Jophiel wrote:

That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.


But then it'd be like he's rolling dice and I'm sure there is some anti gambling rule on the books at the school as well. Can't have kindergartener's shooting craps in their free time.
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And thus we prove Brownduck wrong.

Always gotta be some twit who tackles the side story.
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down

Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?

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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down

Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?



You know, I did a double take on that, and just assumed I was misinterpreting something.

I also assumed at the start of reading the story that the boy's gesture would have ended up having a "flipping" of the middle finger that was unacceptable. I didn't guess it'd be because of a perceived gun motion.
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Always gotta be some twit who tackles the side story.
The school is just looking out for the kid. They don't want him out on the street, wanting to approach a cop and try to say his name and end up getting shot due to a misunderstanding.

Aside; Is this a day care program or did I completely miss the memo on minimum age requirements for kindergarten?
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Aside; Is this a day care program or did I completely miss the memo on minimum age requirements for kindergarten?



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Guess following the link and reading the story would have answered that question.
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Bloody **** Grand Island. I am gone for less than one year and you go all 'derp' and get yourself into the news. Although honestly it doesn't surprise me with the absolute retards there are in the school board. Smiley: oyvey
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Jophiel wrote:

That said, I heartily endorse the idea of him changing his name sign to a dismissive whacking-off motion.


But then it'd be like he's rolling dice and I'm sure there is some anti gambling rule on the books at the school as well. Can't have kindergartener's shooting craps in their free time.
Either that or the next headline will be "Teacher sues five year old for sexual harassment".
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I'm just glad the kid's name was Hunter and not Shooter. He might have grown up to be a real trigger happy douche.

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In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.

Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, really. I know it's outrage **** and everything, but

1: Various hand gestures are disallowed in schools.

2: S.E.E. is a bullsh*t made up sign language no one uses (as opposed to ASL). This being a "registered sign" in S.E.E. is about as useful as thinking your international star registry certificate means you own a solar system. Let's add to that the fact that the kid *is not signing correctly*.

3. Deaf people aren't magical benevolent innocent fairies. Neither are three year olds. There's no context in this story *at all*. Maybe the kid punches other toddlers in the face then makes this sign taunting them. We have no idea. What we do know is that the kid's parents are such ENORMOUS entitled douche-bags that they went to the media rather than ask their son to modify his behavior. That's sh*tty parenting by any measure. The list of available avenues of resolution for their problem is hundreds of items long before you get to "use son for attention whoring media pity play."

4. There is no "enforcement". You assume there must be because you're a fucking gullible sucker. The school district *asked the parents to modify it*. They didn't send the kid home or bar him from attending, or do anything else related to "zero tolerance" policies. How dare a school district work with parents to reach a mutually beneficial outcome!! Those @#%^ers!

'We are working with the parents to come to the best solution we can for the child,' Jack Sheard, Grand Island Public Schools spokesperson, said.

Yet he later claimed the issue was a 'misunderstanding' which had nothing to do with weapons.

It was 'not an appropriate thing to do in school' but Hunter was being asked to spell his name out by letters rather than using the sign, Sheard told the New York Daily News.


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Edited, Aug 29th 2012 6:58am by Smasharoo
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down.
To his family, friends and those who know the Signing Exact English (S.E.E.) language that the Grand Island, Neb., boy uses, that gesture uniquely means "Hunter Spanjer."
But to Hunter's school district, it might mean something else. The district claims that it violates a rule that forbids anything in the school that looks like a weapon, reports KOLN-TV.


In a world where you people bicker constantly about left vs. right, rape vs. abortion, taxes vs loopholes, etc., I'd like to think that at least everyone here could agree how asinine this school district's policy enforcement is in this case. Prove me wrong.

The male *** organ looks like a weapon.
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Three-and-a-half year old Hunter Spanjer, who is deaf, signs his name by crossing his forefinger and index finger and moving his hand up and down

Maybe they're just disgusted by his freakish extra finger?
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