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#52 Aug 29 2012 at 6:21 PM Rating: Default
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Good to know that Mr. Nye is here to defend evolution from... who, exactly?
From those scary religious folks who apparently want to force everyone to believe in the 7 days biblical account and reject evolution.


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I don't see anyone being forced to believe anything.


Oh, that's the argument? Well dang, I thought you said it was hard to find anyone wanting to teach these beliefs in classrooms.


Not my fault you suck at reading.

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My bad, here I thought you were lying Smiley: lol


Perhaps you should go back and double check what someone actually said before assuming they are lying? Just a thought.
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Demea wrote:
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You're only allowed to mention science during odd-numbered years.

That said, would that mean moon rocks emit light as well? We need to get back onto the moon and stock up -- we can cut US energy consumption when our homes and businesses are all illuminated with natural, divinely occurring moonlight.

Unless it turns out to be deadly poisonous

Still gotta be safer than nucular power though, right?

I'm assuming this statement is facetious.

What gave it away, my use of a Bushism?
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#54 Aug 30 2012 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
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Good to know that Mr. Nye is here to defend evolution from... who, exactly?
From those scary religious folks who apparently want to force everyone to believe in the 7 days biblical account and reject evolution.


LockeColeMA wrote:
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I don't see anyone being forced to believe anything.


Oh, that's the argument? Well dang, I thought you said it was hard to find anyone wanting to teach these beliefs in classrooms.


Not my fault you suck at reading.


Not my fault you suck at remembering what you wrote Smiley: nod
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Of course, it's hard to find enough of those scary religious folks actually doing anything with regard to this issue


Tell me again how it is so very, very hard to find any of those scary religious folks, gbaji. I think you missed it (again) when I linked to six different states pushing for creationism to be allowed in public science classrooms. Oh, or maybe you just tried to ignore it. Smiley: rolleyes
#55 Aug 30 2012 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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They're hard to find because they only show up on election years.
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#57 Aug 30 2012 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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Creationism education advocates are trying to distract from Romney's gun-running!

Is that what he was doing in the Cayman Islands?
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#58 Aug 30 2012 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
The thing that gets me about all the "teach the controversy" laws is that they ignore the fact that there is no controversy in scientific circles, except from a smaller number of scientists than those who still believe the Earth is flat.
#59 Aug 30 2012 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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The thing that gets me about all the "teach the controversy" laws is that they ignore the fact that there is no controversy in scientific circles, except from a smaller number of scientists than those who still believe the Earth is flat.
There are no scientists who think the Earth is flat. That would be a complete oxymoron (I don't think that's the right word, actually).

You could make a pretty solid case for things other than just natural selection occurring, as well. The people who want to "teach the controversy" want it to be as to whether Evolution happens at all. That's not really going to happen. There are more peer reviewed articles and physical evidence for Evolution than any other theory in science to date. This is not up for discussion.

Now if you want to ask if we know of the processes by which evolution can occur? That's where scientists go "I don't know" and then you can present a hypothesis and test it. That's where creationism fails. That's why it isn't science. That's why people like Bill Nye have to make statements like this.

Edited, Aug 30th 2012 3:00pm by Nilatai
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#60 Aug 30 2012 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
catwho wrote:
The thing that gets me about all the "teach the controversy" laws is that they ignore the fact that there is no controversy in scientific circles, except from a smaller number of scientists than those who still believe the Earth is flat.
There are no scientists who think the Earth is flat.


I think that is what she was saying. If:
(Scientists who believe there is a controversy) < (Scientists who believe the earth is flat)
AND
(Scientists who believe the earth is flat) = 0
THEN
(Scientists who believe there is a controversy) < 0

MATH'D
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#61 Aug 30 2012 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
catwho wrote:
The thing that gets me about all the "teach the controversy" laws is that they ignore the fact that there is no controversy in scientific circles, except from a smaller number of scientists than those who still believe the Earth is flat.
There are no scientists who think the Earth is flat.


I think that is what she was saying. If:
(Scientists who believe there is a controversy) < (Scientists who believe the earth is flat)
AND
(Scientists who believe the earth is flat) = 0
THEN
(Scientists who believe there is a controversy) < 0

MATH'D

I misread what she said. Painkillers FTW. Smiley: grin
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#62 Sep 01 2012 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
You could make a pretty solid case for things other than just natural selection occurring, as well.
I don't think this is true. Unless I've missed something, I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.
#63 Sep 01 2012 at 12:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
You could make a pretty solid case for things other than just natural selection occurring, as well.
I don't think this is true. Unless I've missed something, I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.


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#64 Sep 01 2012 at 1:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.


Pretty much humanity in general. Science, technology, medicine, & a lack of lions has defeated natural selection in a lot of places.

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#65 Sep 01 2012 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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LeWoVoc wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
You could make a pretty solid case for things other than just natural selection occurring, as well.
I don't think this is true. Unless I've missed something, I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.

I dunno, I'm not really a Biologist. Physics is more my thing.

I'm not sure if they classify things like sexual selection as the same thing. Or how humans are evolving (slowly) but without any real environmental pressures.
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Omegavegeta wrote:
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I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.


Pretty much humanity in general. Science, technology, medicine, & a lack of lions has defeated natural selection in a lot of places.


Well, in a thousand years or so once we've killed ourselves off, the Earth will recover from this failed evolutionary track and go on to something else. Dinos were around for millions of years and they had brains the size of walnuts. I believe we were a mistake.
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I love Louis C.K. so much...

Me too...and if I gained fifty pounds and started losing my hair I'd look exactly like that.
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Nilatai wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
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You could make a pretty solid case for things other than just natural selection occurring, as well.
I don't think this is true. Unless I've missed something, I can't think of a single case in the whole of biology in which evolution has moved contrary to what natural selection would dictate or allow for.

I dunno, I'm not really a Biologist. Physics is more my thing.

I'm not sure if they classify things like sexual selection as the same thing. Or how humans are evolving (slowly) but without any real environmental pressures.
For what it's worth, sexual selection is considered by many to be a subset of natural selection, since they both function in the same way for the same reason. Ever since the 80's, when gene-centric evolution came to light, it's been apparent that it wasn't so much about survival of the fittest, but survival of the horniest. Any assistance in finding a mate is a survival mechanism for your genes.

As far as humans go, there are certainly pressures acting upon us; they're merely different pressures. In fact, some scientists would argue that modern humanity is evolving at an accelerated pace.

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#70 Sep 01 2012 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting. Thanks for the link.
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#71 Sep 01 2012 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
Interesting. Thanks for the link.

It was a good read, but I was hoping for more examples.
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I'm sure there are lots on Google Scholar. I'll probably have a look later on!
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#73 Sep 04 2012 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
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Do any of those require that creationism be taught in a public classroom? Or do they merely allow debate and discussion.


ITT: gbaji is fine with classrooms not teaching evolution, but learning about the FSM.


Finite State Machines? Smiley: confused
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I believe we were a mistake.
Maybe you were a mistake. I consider myself the product of what the world intended to created all along, and everyone else was just a stepping stone in the process to create me.
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I believe we were a mistake.
Maybe you were a mistake. I consider myself the product of what the world intended to created all along, and everyone else was just a stepping stone in the process to create me.


Now now. Some of us were mistakes and some of us weren't. Those of us that weren't shouldn't gloat about it.

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